New Order - Technique

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(ha, that's what i always think when i see this thread) xpost

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one, Ned?

This one. To which you said "Splendid stuff Ned. I will say more later." And I've been waiting! Not impatiently, though, that would be wrong.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how popular "Fine Time" is on this thread, I spent a long time feeling stupid it was my fav track (it isn't anymore, some sad song I can't work out the title to will be, "Dream Attack" or "Guilty Partner" prob, I just got this rec out and maybe I'll post my fav later)

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Looking back at the thread I can't really say any more than you've said already - a fine piece of crit and totally OTM about the album as a whole. I desperately need to listen to Technique now! By the way, there's talk of the new one being similarly concise and full of hits. I will get a promo soon I hope, so will be able to report back then.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Rah! I look forward to hearing yer take on it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, me too. i should really be working harder to get a promo copy, i know, but ... part of me doesn't want to hear it at all, you know?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I don't know.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I completely and utterly am ignorant on this point as well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

With New Order, I'm way past the point of being excited about the new album but also being fearful that it might disappoint. After 20+ years of nothing but awesomeness (plus, their last album was one of their best), they've earned my complete trust.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

dan, ned ... i can honestly say, hand on heart, that i'd rather NO weren't making this record. and they are almost certainly my favourite band of all time. it's just ... something died inside me when i heard get ready, and i really don't want to suffer yet another crushing disappointment like that. i'd rather preserve them in the amber of my mind.

am i really the only one who feels like this?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, get ready left me a bit cold as well. It's alright, but I felt as if NO were phoning it in.

― jae young kim (jazzler), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never had a band reach the status of "favorite act" disappoint me to the point of jaded disillusionment. Never.

Oh wait, I forgot about KMFDM. So there was one, but they weren't even really ever my favorite band.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(One reason I would hesitate to call New Order one of my favorite bands is because many of their album contain moments of sheer excrement, to the point where I refuse to purchase otherwise excellent and amazing albums because of one or two horrible songs.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, lots of my favorite bands recorded execrable moments - and thank God! It makes them more human. Perfection is dull. I made peace with Bernard's lyrics, "Rock the Shack," most of "Movement" and "State of the Nation" many years ago.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I can never and will never get behind the idea that perfection is dull. Perfection is perfect; what's wrong with liking things that are perfect?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yet again, a New Order discussion on ILM has split into "loved 'Get Ready'" vs "hated 'Get Ready'" factions.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Does that surprise anyone at this point?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

So few bands are perfect. I suppose miniaturists like the Go-Betweens made a couple of perfect records, but at the same time they lack the audacity of bands like the Smiths, New Order, and the Beatles, to name just three; they were afraid to risk looking foolish. It's a band's choice, of course – or orientation if you're feeling sinister.

Why not accept a band's flaws as more reasons to hug them harder?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Get Ready was great and I am right. There.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not accept a band's flaws as more reasons to hug them harder?

This is the point were a less-jaded me would incredulously type "You're kidding, right?"

Suffice to say that I'm not ever going to agree with you, ever.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

'Technique' = NO's 'Cosmic Thing'. I like "Dream Attack" and "Roam"

― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but wouldn't you say that NO missed the Don Was factor by NOT getting produced by Eno?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to hear a Billy Sherrill "Love Vigilantes"

― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Suffice to say that I'm not ever going to agree with you, ever.

That's cool, man. However, you're wrong: we both love New Order. After a few beers and a couple of listens to "Brotherhood" and "Technique," we can discuss my theory.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

currently playing a Technique tour show on www.retroforwardradio.com

Detroit 89, soundboard, in it's entirety

enjoy

― biznotic, Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Apart from Crystal, Get Ready is really poor and, personally, I blame 'Robbie' Gillespie. He should stick to orgainsing fancy dress parties for his sad mates and stop trying to bum some credibility off genuinely creative people. Rock The Shack was pathetic.

Listen to the Felix Da Housecat mix of Here To Stay for what Get Ready could have been.

New Order are so much more than ageing rockers and I hope the new album (which I'll buy the day it comes out) proves it.

Technique is fantastic.

― wtin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rock The Shack" is great, largely because of that guitar riff on the chorus.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing that stands about New Order's sound circa 'Technique' as they sound even less like a band playing together and more of songs put together via studio production. This record is more like their remixes than the other studio albums. It isn't a bad thing mind you, it is unique in their discography, as their next studio album 'Republic' seemed more of a return to their earlier albums.

― earlnash, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Get Ready is really poor and, personally, I blame 'Robbie' Gillespie

shoot speed kill light (from exterminator) vs rock the shack:

the former is a razor-edged sprawl of scuzzy rock goodness, the latter is a dumb joke. the fact that primal scream made an ace song with barney and new order made a pish one with bobby suggests to me that NO are at fault here, not mr G.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

First time I heard Rock The Shack I hated it. A few more plays and it became one of my faves on Get Ready. I like the sound of the guitar and what Hooky is doing on it, too. I don't see why every New Order song has to be a big glossy techno showoff. Sometimes I like it if they just turn everything else off and let the guitar, bass & drums interact. Okay, so the lyrics aren't that great, but people who constantly complain about New Order lyrics just need to find another band to like because it often just comes with the package.

That said, I feel for you, Fiendish, even if I don't agree with you. If it turns out the new one disappoints me, I still hope you like it.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

bump.

just because :)

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Heh. I'm with Dan on Get Ready. And Sumner's one of my favorite lyricists.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

this needs remastering.

― pisces, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

They all do!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

they sound ok to me

― akm, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

just turn it up, fool

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

That's how I noticed they needed remastering.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I retract all the silly things I said upthread.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

it could do with a 5.1 while we're at it.

just turn it up, fool

-- sexyDancer, Wednesday, 25 July 2007

That's how I noticed they needed remastering.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007

me too.

― pisces, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

we've entered a time warp
again, through a time warp

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

Lurve this bit by N. It's worth requoting in full:

The whole point of it for me is that it's a whole album. I adore the sweep of it. It's all of a piece. With grinning confidence it introduces itself in the hi-hats of the glorious 'this is where we all are' Fine Time, sets the emotional 'this is where we've come from' note with All The Way and then spins through five perfect whirls of sun-bleached pop, feet never hitting the floor. Is Vanishing Point a shining pinnacle or the comedown? Depends on whether I'm dancing, maybe. Either way, it's the brilliant heart of the album. Then Dream Attack comes along to shoot you through the heart again, an epilogue, the most beautiful of all mornings after.

It remains my favorite NO album by some distance, and the one that convinced me of their greatness. However, it's fascinating that Gill remarked on the "strong synergy between all the band members" yet earlnash notes that they "sound even less like a band playing together and more of songs put together via studio production." I say it's a bit of both, no? Anyway, Republic is the one that sounds like Bernard and Stephen Hague programming synths with the odd Hooky bassline here and there.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

It's always sounded fine to me.

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

"Guilty Partner" is criminally great.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)

Have you come around on "All The Way"???

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:52 (eighteen years ago)

that was the track that instantly gripped me all those years ago.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:52 (eighteen years ago)

I was trying to remember if my old rant about this album was upthread and it was. Good.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2007 01:05 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

this is the best. ever. 'all the way' is my coming out song.

― matt p (Matt P), Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:39 (seventeen years ago)

Listened to the reissue a few times through a week or so ago. Totally great album, possibly my fave New Order.

― ilxor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:46 (seventeen years ago)

yeahhh

― matt p (Matt P), Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:50 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Listening to this for the first time. Love all their other albums so far. This and Republic are the last of the NO albums I've yet to hear.

― musicfanatic, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:24 (fifteen years ago)

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