really thought that was some weird suggest ban joke for a sec
― some dude, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?
― jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
You can have my ballot if you really want it.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll keep that in mind, but I'll try sending Rob Harvilla an email asking for one first. Thanks.
― jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Assuming the technology hasn't progressed backwards since I was sending them (three years ago? four? who counts anymore?), yes. Definitely.
― xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Using my old P&J link from last year's ballot, I can get to the 2009 ballot page, but the only thing I need (assuming I can't get a ballot this year) would be a voter ID. I noticed that my 2007 and 2008 ID's are different. Wondering if I use my 2008 voter ID # will the ballot go through?
― jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Doubtful. The rolls change every year.
― xhuxk, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
When you email them about this stuff they usually add you on provided you can reasonbly qualify yourself as a rock critic (and if you've voted before recently you should be eligible to vote again for the most part, I think).
― a coffee machine in an office (dabug), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I sent Rob an email, so we'll see what happens.
― jetfan, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I got my ballot today.
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I got mine Friday.
dunno if I'm gonna have any comments to send this year...
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Monday, 7 December 2009 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I am still boycotting.
― mojitos (a cocktail) (Cave17Matt), Monday, 7 December 2009 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
So are people who voted eventually getting an automatic confirmation email back? (I didn't, at least not yet.) Weird that you don't even get to a page where you can doublecheck your votes after you press submit, before you absolutely confirm your ballot (which was always the way the site worked in the past, at least a few years ago.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I have a tiny suspicion this isn't "officially" up but it's official to the internet:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/pazz-and-jop-2015-robert-christgau-joe-levy-ann-powers-and-greg-tate-take-on-the-record-s-8137202 (the essays in general are good this year)
http://furia.com/pjs/table_voter_all_total.html
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:00 (eight years ago) link
Besides, as everyone's noting on Facebook, not listing the singles in order on your ballot (I don't vote for albums, so don't know if it's the same there), am I reading it correctly that they don't have the mixed compilation of voter comments anymore? Maybe they'll be posted later. I'll hold off further comment until that's clear.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link
The order glitch wasn't intentional, and is already being fixed.
I will also apologize for the "we" in my Tabulation Notes making it seem like the Voice made up Winey's term "GAPDY". I wasn't thinking of myself as part of the Voice's "we" as I was writing, but of course that's how it reads. I'm trying to get them to edit this in the online version, at least.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link
Interesting how P&J commands far less attention on ILM than it did just a few years ago.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
Ran into Joe Levy on the street a week ago, but neglected to ask him about this.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Ray (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
There’s a great Jill Scott record this year no one paid a shred of freakin’ attention to!
It debuted at number one.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:13 (eight years ago) link
many #1-debuting albums receive no attention from the press/critics
― dyl, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link
it was an OK Jill Scott record this year no one paid a shred of freakin' attention to
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
The previous sentence contains "radio" and "the pop chart." I don't think "no one" there means only critics.
If the statement is referring strictly to critics, it's still off. The album was reviewed by several outlets, including Pitchfork and (cough) AllMusic.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
Why am I finding it hard to see the P&J results on the Voice's site? Or are they not there yet?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
In the letter w the ballot:
results will be published in print and online in our January 13, 2016, issue. So I'm not gonna look 'til then; always some glitches, twitches in whatever shows up before.
― dow, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm browsing it no problem-http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/index/2015
― campreverb, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
Village Voice fucks up their P&J rollout every year.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:06 (eight years ago) link
612 voters for 2014, but looks like only close to 500 or so for 2015. I wonder why the drop in numbers...
This year, nearly 500 Pazz + Jop voters submitted their top ten albums and singles.
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2015
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
I forgot to vote. I know some other people did, too.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:18 (eight years ago) link
if it's indeed being officially rolled out the 13th, it's probably too late for print deadline but as much as a collaboration with the entire country would be an improvement over the version that exists, Miguel's "Coffee" doesn't feature Wales.
(sorry)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link
hotline bling huh
― nomar, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link
Any pleasure I have at Bieber not making it into the top 10 of either list is offset completely by that travesty
― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
NO ONE ELSE VOTED FOR ANGEL HAZE??????????????????????
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link
a groundbreaking year, a humorous gif wins the singles poll
― nomar, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
what's the meme of this song
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn, I probably should have just emailed you instead of being a boner on Twitter about it. Sorry abt that
― poorzingis (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
― jaymc, Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:58 AM (1 hour ago)
it all just seems so tepid
― j., Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
:(
640 Gaz Coombes · Matador 10 1 .002
― Vote! In the ILM EOY Poll! (seandalai), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link
Wales, hah. I won't reveal which voter was the source of that typo, but it was my correction code that picked it as the canonical form of that credit. Will fix.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
I think part of it is the massive proliferation of EOY lists and consensus trackers, so that by the time P&J rolls out in January, the results are fairly anticlimactic.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link
well also voting Hotline fucking Bling as the top song of 2015
― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link
that and just, journalistic criticism is so beaten down that there's no drama or conflict to its consensus-finding process. or no conflict about the records themselves. like, i like courtney barnett, but i feel there was hardly anything at stake as to whether or not her or hop along did better 'in the polls'.
― j., Tuesday, 12 January 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
― nomar
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link
I think all of our excitement has been reserved for ILM's own Year End Poll, because it's the only one that truly matters.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 20:50 (eight years ago) link
I'm not even excited for that poll, tbh
― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link
well, and like...I can already see the poll results of Hundreds of Writers, in real time, daily. it's just what's getting coverage. if the poll was 30 critics, it's interesting. somewhere between 30 and 500 I stop caring
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link
as every year, a *massive* thank you to glenn for powering this thing.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 21:18 (eight years ago) link
i notice the voice picked up a new music editor about a year ago, who seems... pretty ok?
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/hilary-hughes-to-join-village-voice-as-music-editor-6647178
glad to see the roundtable with xgau etc p&j, certainly a sign of goodwill as well.
and now we have a management who might not be terrible to the music section. but i completely trained myself out of caring about the voice through the very lean years, so i really haven't been paying attention to anything with it, tho i'm a bit optimistic for a change.
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 21:22 (eight years ago) link
Do they not do the critics-send-in-little-comment-blurbs thing anymore?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
I'm getting the impression that a significant amount of people just forgot to do a ballot
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 22:40 (eight years ago) link
There are about 100 less critics voting this year...That's a lot of "I forgots"
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 23:12 (eight years ago) link
*Arrested
― birdistheword, Sunday, 1 October 2023 06:06 (seven months ago) link
If Wiki is to be believed 3 Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life Of... also topped the Wire's critic poll for that year.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Sunday, 1 October 2023 09:35 (seven months ago) link
Mellencamp's The Lonesome Jubilee is good and belongs in the top twenty.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 October 2023 12:31 (seven months ago) link
er, Scarecrow, that is. But TLJ too!
Yeah. And like Ta-Nehisi Coates said about the American Civil War: "Don't say you know what you would have done. You don't know."
― dow, Sunday, 1 October 2023 16:27 (seven months ago) link
Ragged Glory is definitely one of Neil's true classics, Freedom was the comeback but Ragged Glory had this primal facemelting guitar sound and just a load of great tunes. it was actually the first Neil Young record i ever heard and loved it immediately.
― omar little, Sunday, 1 October 2023 16:40 (seven months ago) link
Chuck Klosterman wrote an article about how future generations would balk at seeing the Tune-Yards album listed at number 1 in this poll. That prophesied day has now arrived.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 October 2023 16:42 (seven months ago) link
Per Ragged Glory, here's 1990 (as hell, with a lot of strong stuff, which may also incl. ones that seem a bit startling in the nether regions, but that's good in principle, just going for personal faves dammit, never mind the prevailing winds)
This poll compiles ballots from 289 critics, who divided 100 points among 10 1990 albums. Points determined placement, with total mentions (indicated in parentheses) used for tie-breaking. Maximum per album: 30. Minimum: 5.*Includes 1989 votes: Queen Latifah 173 (18), 3rd Bass 77 (9), Faith No More 67 (5)1. Neil Young: Ragged Glory (Reprise) 1282 (104)2. Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (Chrysalis) 1070 (87)3. Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet (Def Jam) 1026 (82)4. Sonic Youth: Goo (DGC) 659 (63)5. Living Colour: Time's Up (Epic) 606 (51)6. Ice Cube: AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (Priority) 533 (45)7. Paul Simon: The Rhythm of the Saints (Warner Bros.) 486 (42)8. Rosanne Cash: Interiors (Columbia) 461 (42)9. L.L. Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out (Def Jam) 457 (40)10. Prince: Graffiti Bridge (Paisley Park) 417 (43)11. Replacements: All Shook Down (Sire/Reprise) 366 (36)12. The Chills: Submarine Bells (Slash/Warner Bros.)349 (25)13. Deee-Lite: World Clique (Elektra) 327 (36)14. Queen Latifah: All Hail the Queen (Tommy Boy) 278 (29) *15. World Party: Goodbye Jumbo (Chrysalis) 259 (23)16. Red Hot and Blue (Chrysalis) 255 (23)17. Lou Reed/John Cale: Songs for Drella (Sire/Warner Bros.)249 (24)18. A Tribe Called Quest: People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (Jive) 247 (27)19. Yo La Tengo: Fakebook (Restless/Bar/None) 242 (25)20. Digital Underground: Sex Packets (Tommy Boy) 229 (27)21. Los Lobos: The Neighborhood (Slash/Warner Bros.)234 (23)22. Lisa Stansfield: Affection (Arista) 218 (22)23. The Carl Stalling Project (Warner Bros.) 202 (22)24. Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual (Warner Bros.) 198 (19)25. Youssou N'Dour: Set (Virgin) 188 (20)26. Iggy Pop: Brick by Brick (Virgin) 188 (19)27. Faith No More: The Real Thing (Slash/Warner Bros.)186 (14) *28. Van Morrison: Enlightenment (Mercury) 182 (18)29. Pixies: Bossanova (4AD/Elektra) 168 (18)30. The Neville Brothers: Brother's Keeper (A&M) 164 (17)31. The Black Crowes: Shake Your Money Maker (Def American) 160 (14)32. Robin Holcomb: Robin Holcomb (Elektra Musician) 159 (11)33. 3rd Bass: The Cactus Album (Def Jam) 150 (16) *34. Guy: The Future (MCA) 149 (15)35. Pet Shop Boys: Behaviour (EMI) 141 (13)36. Was (Not Was): Are You Okay? (Chrysalis) 139 (17)37. Texas Tornados: Texas Tornados (Reprise) 139 (14)38. Eno/Cale: Wrong Way Up (Opal/Warner Bros.) 138 (16)39. Bob Dylan: Under the Red Sky (Columbia) 133 (10)40. Midnight Oil: Blue Sky Mining (Columbia) 129 (13)
*Includes 1989 votes: Queen Latifah 173 (18), 3rd Bass 77 (9), Faith No More 67 (5)
1. Neil Young: Ragged Glory (Reprise) 1282 (104)2. Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (Chrysalis) 1070 (87)3. Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet (Def Jam) 1026 (82)4. Sonic Youth: Goo (DGC) 659 (63)5. Living Colour: Time's Up (Epic) 606 (51)6. Ice Cube: AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (Priority) 533 (45)7. Paul Simon: The Rhythm of the Saints (Warner Bros.) 486 (42)8. Rosanne Cash: Interiors (Columbia) 461 (42)9. L.L. Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out (Def Jam) 457 (40)10. Prince: Graffiti Bridge (Paisley Park) 417 (43)11. Replacements: All Shook Down (Sire/Reprise) 366 (36)12. The Chills: Submarine Bells (Slash/Warner Bros.)349 (25)13. Deee-Lite: World Clique (Elektra) 327 (36)14. Queen Latifah: All Hail the Queen (Tommy Boy) 278 (29) *15. World Party: Goodbye Jumbo (Chrysalis) 259 (23)16. Red Hot and Blue (Chrysalis) 255 (23)17. Lou Reed/John Cale: Songs for Drella (Sire/Warner Bros.)249 (24)18. A Tribe Called Quest: People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (Jive) 247 (27)19. Yo La Tengo: Fakebook (Restless/Bar/None) 242 (25)20. Digital Underground: Sex Packets (Tommy Boy) 229 (27)21. Los Lobos: The Neighborhood (Slash/Warner Bros.)234 (23)22. Lisa Stansfield: Affection (Arista) 218 (22)23. The Carl Stalling Project (Warner Bros.) 202 (22)24. Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual (Warner Bros.) 198 (19)25. Youssou N'Dour: Set (Virgin) 188 (20)26. Iggy Pop: Brick by Brick (Virgin) 188 (19)27. Faith No More: The Real Thing (Slash/Warner Bros.)186 (14) *28. Van Morrison: Enlightenment (Mercury) 182 (18)29. Pixies: Bossanova (4AD/Elektra) 168 (18)30. The Neville Brothers: Brother's Keeper (A&M) 164 (17)31. The Black Crowes: Shake Your Money Maker (Def American) 160 (14)32. Robin Holcomb: Robin Holcomb (Elektra Musician) 159 (11)33. 3rd Bass: The Cactus Album (Def Jam) 150 (16) *34. Guy: The Future (MCA) 149 (15)35. Pet Shop Boys: Behaviour (EMI) 141 (13)36. Was (Not Was): Are You Okay? (Chrysalis) 139 (17)37. Texas Tornados: Texas Tornados (Reprise) 139 (14)38. Eno/Cale: Wrong Way Up (Opal/Warner Bros.) 138 (16)39. Bob Dylan: Under the Red Sky (Columbia) 133 (10)40. Midnight Oil: Blue Sky Mining (Columbia) 129 (13)
― dow, Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:10 (seven months ago) link
On the same page: Singles, EPs, Reissues, Videos:https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pjres90.php
― dow, Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:13 (seven months ago) link
Man those Prince and Replacements albums really riding on goodwill. (They're both OK, but not top 10 or 11.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:18 (seven months ago) link
I love World Party being at 15.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:26 (seven months ago) link
Don't remember or haven't heard some of these, but think my Top Ten would have incl. (def the first two):
Red Hot and BlueThe Chills: Submarine BellsNeil Young: Ragged Glory Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (87)Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet
Texas Tornados: Texas Tornados (Reprise) Eno/Cale: Wrong Way Up (Opal/Warner Bros.) Bob Dylan: Under the Red Sky
― dow, Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:33 (seven months ago) link
My absent favourites of 1990: Chill Out, Armed Audio Warfare, Listen Without Prejudice, Rebel Music, Mixed Up, Let Them Eat Bingo, Boomania, Jordan, En-Tact, Cure for Sanity, Song (It's Immaterial), City: Works of Fiction, Pills n Thrills, Skellington
(To state the obvious, most of these weren't ever likely to be troubling P&J. Half of them were unlikely to be troubling UK lists either. And some weren't released in the US.)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:38 (seven months ago) link
Albums I actually owned:
1. Neil Young: Ragged Glory (Reprise) 1282 (104)2. Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (Chrysalis) 1070 (87)3. Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet (Def Jam) 1026 (82)4. Sonic Youth: Goo (DGC) 659 (63)5. Living Colour: Time's Up (Epic) 606 (51)6. Ice Cube: AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (Priority) 533 (45)10. Prince: Graffiti Bridge (Paisley Park) 417 (43)14. Queen Latifah: All Hail the Queen (Tommy Boy) 278 (29) *17. Lou Reed/John Cale: Songs for Drella (Sire/Warner Bros.)249 (24)18. A Tribe Called Quest: People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (Jive)247 (27)20. Digital Underground: Sex Packets (Tommy Boy) 229 (27)23. The Carl Stalling Project (Warner Bros.) 202 (22)24. Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual (Warner Bros.) 198 (19)33. 3rd Bass: The Cactus Album (Def Jam) 150 (16) *
Albums I did not own, but heard:
7. Paul Simon: The Rhythm of the Saints (Warner Bros.) 486 (42)9. L.L. Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out (Def Jam) 457 (40)13. Deee-Lite: World Clique (Elektra) 327 (36)26. Iggy Pop: Brick by Brick (Virgin) 188 (19)27. Faith No More: The Real Thing (Slash/Warner Bros.)186 (14) *31. The Black Crowes: Shake Your Money Maker (Def American) 160 (14)35. Pet Shop Boys: Behaviour (EMI) 141 (13)
If I'd been voting back then my top 5 would probably have been (based on actual time spent listening) Ice Cube, Public Enemy, Jane's Addiction, Living Colour, Neil Young.
Absent favorites:
Suicidal Tendencies - Lights, Camera, RevolutionMinistry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to TasteTad - Salt Lick
― read-only (unperson), Sunday, 1 October 2023 19:15 (seven months ago) link
I was about 15 in 1990 and remember Ragged Glory as a Big Deal in the boomer press: Freedom as the solid comeback, this the culmination.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 October 2023 19:23 (seven months ago) link
I was 14 and in my transitionary period between Def Leppard and Nirvana. Looking at that list, I only remember listening to lots of Public Enemy, Living Colour, LL Cool J, ATCQ, Digital Underground and Faith No More.
― alpine static, Monday, 2 October 2023 01:29 (seven months ago) link