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I prefer Starch as well, just found the NY Times article about Stargate's production approach interesting, and I figured one of their efforts might interest you folks who post on this thread (I just lurk on this one and ocassionally ask my 13 year-old boy his thoughts on some of the discussed songs although his tastes lean more rap and rock and that overlaps here some of the time).

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

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― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Latest Mediabase numbers have Pink's "U + Ur Hand" as the most played song on top 40 radio over the last seven days. However, if you go by audience size (I assume Mediabase is factoring in market size, market share, and time of day that song is played) Gym Class Heroes and Timbaland still have more top 40 listeners. The five tracks with the most top 40 spins are Pink's "U + Ur Hand," Gym Class Heroes "Cupid's Chokehold," Fergie's "Glamorous," Timbaland's "Give It To Me," and Avril's "Girlfriend" (which is rising the fastest). But when you add in other formats (urban, rhythmic, alternative rock, adult contemporary) you get a different story. Of the five I just mentioned (doing it by listens, not spins) Timbaland's got the most (83.4 million listens), Fergie next (79.4 million), then Gym Class Heroes (67.3 million), Pink (61.5 million), and Avril (51.3 million). Kelly's "Never Again" is down at 27.6, 8.1 of which is from the "hot AC" format. (Hot AC willing to go for some hard rock in a pop act; have been at least since Evanescence's "Bring Me To Life.") But the big story (though it has no bearing on rolling teenpop) (or maybe it does) is T-Pain's "Buy U A Drank," which is getting only 15.6 million on top 40 but when you add in the urban and rhythmic formats it's up at a strong 117.3 million.

(Timberlake and Daughtry both still rising strong; Rihanna rising, but not so strong, "Never Again" still rising but the rise is getting weaker. Maroon5 is leading the downloads, where Avril and Kelly were strong as of last week.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

What a strange time for ILM when Frank Kogan is the most up-to-date person on the top 40 charts!

― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

(not meaning any disrespect you understand)

― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

The 13 year-old girls at my son's Bar Mitzvah party this weekend reacted enthusiastically to the d.j.'s playing of Avril's "Girlfriend."

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

"Girlfriend" may be crossing to a lot of listeners, including the Radio Disney listeners, even if they'll never hear it on Radio Disney. Perhaps the song is remapping the top 40 a bit (even if I find the track heavy-handed).

It is possible to over-emphasize the dominance of r&b by focusing on the number one spot* (Hinder "Lips Of An Angel" was number 3 and Evanescence's "Bring Me To Life" was number 5, but they were huge songs anyway that resulted in mammoth album sales), but r&b is the biggest pop form (and of course almost all American pop music has r&b somewhere in its genetic makeup, "Girlfriend" actually having quite a lot that comes from black music of the late '50s and early '60s). So "Girlfriend"'s hitting number one is significant (and it may rise to one again; it's first week at number one was on the basis of downloads, with little airplay to back it up; now it's getting the airplay).

A number two that I thought was going to have a huge impact was "Since U Been Gone," but actually there weren't subsequent top-tenners that had quite that combo of rock and tune, and after "Behind These Hazel Eyes" Dr. Luke only had one other top forty hit (Ashley Parker Angel's "Let U Go" at number 12, unless I'm forgetting something else) until this last month (or whenever "U + Ur Hand" finally reached the top 40), and last week he had two in the top ten! So the rock 'n' bubblegum thing that SUBG had promised may come to pass. Or not.

(*Didn't hear or read SFJ's EMP presentation, so I don't know for sure what he's emphasizing, though my guess is that simply by reading the titles of the songs that hit number one he made a very powerful point.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

The rock/bubblegum thing still seems to have a novelty aspect to it.

I read someone (was it Jess H./Strongo?)suggest that the r'n'b/pop songs that SFJ cited (from several years ago) are superior to today's r'n'b/pop hits. I'm inclined to agree though I'm not sure why. It's also interesting how time marches on and some of us are now now fondly looking back at those glorious Timba & Missy days of yore.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Missy never had a number one (though she was featured on a couple other people's). Not that this addresses what you're saying. Seems to me that 2006 was generally a stronger year for r&b than for hip-hop (are you including hip-hop hits in your category "r&b/hip-hop hits"?), and since I generally prefer hip-hop I could be depressed about this if I wanted to be, except I wasn't because a lot of what I was listening to was fabulous. Cassie's extraordinary "Me & U" didn't even make my top ten. (Fwiw, the r&b/hip-hop tracks that did were "Vans" by the Pack, "London Bridge" by Fergie, and "It's Goin' Down" by Yung Joc. And of course the black influence was all over the others in my top ten as well.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

OMG dibs The Black Influence for my next bandname

― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

That tiffany affair song is nice, but I prefer the LAX Gurlz single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfLeCCMygc0

apparently their producer has an LAX Boyz group in the pipeline. Just when will the boy groups be back, anyway?

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jonas Brothers! They're baaaaaack!

― dabug, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

multi-x-post

Sasha F-J was talking about r'n'b-pop hits circa 2004-2005.

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

"Jonas Brothers! They're baaaaaack!"

ah yes, I forgot. This is hardly a substitute for N'Sync, however.

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

New Aly and AJ lyrics from their new Disney TV movie:

“It took too long for you to call back
and normally I would just forget that
except for the fact that it was my birthday
my stupid birthday”

New Jonas Bros. song "Move On" NOT about the political org (shock) but possibly about Aly and Joe Jonas splitting up (or something), so maybe this one's about Joe. Not to be confused with Nick, who, fun fact, uses a wireless insulin pump so as not to get it tangled up in his guitar cords. (I guess the dating market for quasi-celebrity evangelical teenpoppers isn't exactly booming, tho probably bigger than you'd think.)

― dabug, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I read someone (was it Jess H./Strongo?)suggest that the r'n'b/pop songs that SFJ cited (from several years ago) are superior to today's r'n'b/pop hits. I'm inclined to agree though I'm not sure why. It's also interesting how time marches on and some of us are now now fondly looking back at those glorious Timba & Missy days of yore.

making a direct comparison between timba-then and timba-now, there's no question that then (turn of the century i guess) was a golden age (though what he's doing now is still v good); and no one's really stepped up to replace him, and i think crucially for people who yearn after that golden age, no dominant aesthetic's really stepped up either. (certainly in r&b - you could argue crunk? but that has a tendency to resolve towards the generic (NO BAD THING) in contrast to how timba and the neps always seemed to be pushing into unexplored territory.)

but there's just as much great r&b now as there was then, it's just...scattered around the place a bit more.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

So "Girlfriend"'s hitting number one is significant

As much as I love "Girlfriend," I don't think bubblegum punk will really take over the charts any time soon. I mean, apart from Avril and Kelly, who's capable of creating it? Even though Stefani's something of a musical chameleon, I really doubt that "Girlfriend" will sway her into rock land. I mean, is "Girlfriend" really that much bigger than "Cupid's Chokehold" or "Sugar, We're Goin' Down"? That whole Fall Out Boy/Panic! ~~scene~~ arms race definitely inspired a huge number of bands, but apart from three or four exceptions, it's mostly stayed in its own camp. And even when big hip-hop names attempt to integrate that style, it's failed (see Kanye's remix, parts of Timbaland's latest album). I don't see what makes bubblegum punk any different. It's a nice little genre, but if it started getting more airplay, it'd get old quickly....I don't think that Avril's carrying some golden torch...and even if she is, I don't think anyone will grab on.

― Tape Store, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

The info keeps comin':

We’ve confirmed that Aly & AJ’s upcoming release on July 10th will go by the title Insomniatic. The first single off the CD will be “Potential Break Up Song”.

OK, I'm officially pretty excited about this.

― dabug, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

(and the fact that with very little anagramming the title becomes AMNIOTIC SIN is but one of the aspects of this project that excites me. PLEEEEASE let there be a thinly-veiled pro-life song on this thing.)

― dabug, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

'potential break-up song' = brilliant title!

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

Miranda Lambert album comes in at number 6 on the Billboard 200, number 1 on the country chart (as did her last one). What's significant about this is that she's only had one single make it into the country top 20. So her sales run far ahead of airplay. Oh yeah, and she rocks really hard. Reason I bring it up on this thread is that it bodes well for Kelly. Her rockers don't need to get big airplay to sell the album.

Exemplary Miranda lyric: "What became of all the boys who only want one thing? Someone tell me what I'm doin' wrong."

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

This is what my singles list looks like at this point:

1. Lloyd f. Lil Wayne "You"
2. Ashley Tisdale "Not Like That"
3. JoJo "Anything"
4. Yung Berg "Sexy Lady"
5. Keak Da Sneak "That Go"
6. Linda Sundblad "Lose You"
7. Taylor Swift "Teardrops On My Guitar"
8. Dragonette "I Get Around"
9. Rihanna f. Jay-Z "Umbrella" [also the remix w/ Lil Mama]
10. Kelly Clarkson "Never Again"

Albums:
1. Miranda Lambert Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
2. Jordan Pruitt No Ordinary Girl

(The reason my album list is so short is that I'm now off of most mailing lists, so haven't heard that much. But these two albums will probably be standing at the end of the year, while most of the singles will get superseded.)

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

apart from Avril and Kelly, who's capable of creating it?

Marion Raven, Megan McCauley, the Veronicas, Pink, Skye Sweetnam, Brie Larson, the first three of whom having already done Dr. Luke songs that are better than "Girlfriend." (Too bad Megan's abandoned the field.) Not that I necessarily think they all should do the new Luke sound, which I've got lots of reservations about.

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

And two of the latter three having songs with Dr. Luke that either aren't quite as good as "Girlfriend" (arguably...I don't know if I prefer "U + Ur Hand," which is a fascinating mess, to "Girlfriend," which is less messy but also less interesting -- but then again as far as this kind of stuff being popular goes, "U + Ur Hand" has been a pretty enduring success, right?) or haven't been released yet. If "Girl Like Me" by SkyeMaxLuke sounds anything like "Girlfriend," I'll be kinda pissed, since Skye already went through her bratty cheerleader phase...when she was like fifteen. But whatever. (I doubt Brie will abandon the field entirely, but her main focus doesn't seem to be music at the moment. I'm already slating A&A's new one in my top ten, hope I'm not setting my expectations too high.)

― dabug, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

once again y'all forgot about Fefe Dobson who had some pretty damned good success with this style and was about to blow it up last year when Sunday Love was KEPT DOWN BY THE MAN

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't think any of these people will have much chart success apart from Radio Disney. But maybe I'll be wrong.

― Tape Store, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

And duh, of course there are people who can make it, but my question was talking about established pop artists (not saying those people aren't big, just not on the Hot 100)

― Tape Store, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

Personal top 10 singles and top 6 albums:

1) Natasha Bedingfield - "I Wanna Have Your Babies"
2) My Chemical Romance - "Famous Last Words"
3) Amerie - "Gotta Work"
4) Sophie Ellis-Bextor - "Catch You"
5) Vanessa Hudgens - "Say OK"
6) Fall Out Boy - "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race"
7) Toby Keith - "High Maintenance Woman"
8) Kelly Clarkson - "Never Again"
9) Tim Armstrong ft Skye Sweetnam - "Into Action"
10) Katharine McPhee - "Over It"

["The Best Damn Thing" would be number one if released].

Albums:
1. Miranda Lambert - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
2. Jordan Pruitt - No Ordinary Girl
3. Fall Out Boy - Infinity on High
4. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
5. Hilary Duff - Dignity
6. Avril Lavigne - The Best Dam Thing

My guesses: "Babies" fends off comers to remain in the top 10, the other ones are extremely bumpable. All 6 of the albums will contend for top 10. My guess is that Miranda stays at number one all year.

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

The other one, oddly enough, that may stay in the top 10 is "Catch You" which right now I don't like quite as much as MCR and Amerie but which has been slowly climbing my list all year.

I'm not a big fan of the new Luke sound. "Tap That", "U+Ur Hand", and "4ever" are all basically the same song, and it's not a bad song but I'm just getting bored with it. The Luke songs on the Avril album tend to be among my least favorites.

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Tape Store, I'd say that none of those singers (Marion Raven et al.) have a chance on Radio Disney anymore, and Disney's not going for that sound that I can hear. So Top 40 is their only chance - and the success of "Girlfriend" may give it to them, though actually I'm skeptical too as to whether the success will transfer, and as I said I don't necessarily think those performers should or will go for the new Luke sound; these days, when Marion isn't duetting with Meat Loaf she's trying to be Motley Crüe; but her Luke-y "Break You" and "End Of Me"* were terrific if quite soggy). Greg, I love love love "4ever," which didn't have the hard-rock overkill of "Girlfriend," I like "Tap That" a lot despite its overkill, and "U + Ur Hand" is an interesting mess and unlike "Tap That" (which has a Salt N Pepa style rap in it!) is simply "4ever" with the words changed and Pink clumsily trying to make it her own. If I'd not heard "4ever" I might love "U + Ur Hand."

*"End Of Me" is kinda like if some goth chick decided to half do Joni Mitchell while keeping the revved up SUBG production. And "Tap That" is a goth chick doing Luke 'n' Pepa.

― Frank Kogan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Look what dabug found:

Hi, her name is Marble and she is the best thing that happened to POP music since 1178 AD

― Frank Kogan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

"4ever" was somewhere in my top 20 singles of the year last year, so I like it too, but my point is that I wanna hear something else from Luke other than just full on pushing rock. "Hard-rock overkill" is a good phrase. That overkill was the very reason I preferred (and still prefer) "Sweet Temptation" to any of the actual Luke or Martin/Luke songs. ("Behind These Hazel Eyes" is close.)

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

And to correct a misstatement above, even the non-rock Luke songs ("Love Me Or Hate Me", "Nothing In This World", etc.), even the ones I really enjoy, I generally thing are going too far. I just think he needs to rein it in a bit.

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

A few of these people should post here. I feel like this thread misses out on these sorts of perspectives, given this is probably more representative of the general audience for Aly and AJ et al ("Ajoe"!).

i dont feel as if they're songs are bad for kids. i mean the world is filled with bad - not butterflys and lollipops. and Aly & AJ are just trying to express that to us in song.

We don't analyze things in school for nothing. It actually takes brains to do that. We learn how to write persuasive essays with counter-arguments in order to see another view. I honestly give the person who wrote it thumbs up for taking meanings deeper than they really are. Although I condone people who make negative remarks, if their remarks are pointless one liners such as "They Suck" "I hate them" "I'm gonna sit and totally gossip" aren't worth reading. From a fan perspective, I probably wouldn't approve but I wouldn't be 'THAT PERSON MUST BE ON CRACK FOR WRITING SOMETHING I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT BECAUSE I SAY SO.'

^^Well see, I think it's just the writer trying to bad-mouth them. Sure, people change... even Aly & AJ, but I really don't see them changing to like, "Avril Lavgine" like the article said. Sure, in the "Chemicals React" music video I thought they were a little goth because they were wearing a lot of black and etc., but I realized it's Aly & AJ! : ] I wouldn't worry unless I saw it with my own eyes.

and Slow Down is not about "pre-marital sex (or at least some sort of physical relationship)" this article made me mad! I gave him a peice of my mind.

Whats pre-martil sex?

(Woops.) I don't know why they keep finding that ancient post and none of the other A&A ones.

― dabug, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

(also, rossoflove found that Myspace before I did.)

― dabug, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone heard Bianca Ryan, of America's Got Talent fame? Here's her most notable performance off that show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYCCavxFqSU.

I have a feeling her album will feel very forced/generic, but I haven't listened.

― Tape Store, Sunday, 13 May 2007 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

(Interesting how many of these A&A fans don't think their lyrics are supposed to be "deep": Their target age group is teenagers and little kids, and their lyrics really don't have much of a deeper meaning than what they say. They can't be broken down much more from what they already are. Sure, they're not amazing lyricists, but they have good and developed positive songs that are catchy and kids are attracted to them. ...Actually, Aly and AJ are really good lyricists! But they have catchy netgative songs, or at least ambiguous, which was my whole point.)

― dabug, Sunday, 13 May 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

re: Margaret Berger

Her voice is terrific, but I find the album largely dull and hookless apart from Robot Song, which manages to be delightfully silly and sincerely poignant.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 13 May 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. Speaking of reality show contestants, Season 5 Idol contestant Paris Bennett has a new album out...Her official website: http://www.msparisbennett.com/

This is probably really good...you can hear the whole thing on AOL Listening Party, but for some reason, it's not working for me.

― Tape Store, Monday, 14 May 2007 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Sooo, did anybody else hear "Potential Break Up Song" on Pick it or Kick it?

Song was different than I expected. Was much more electro than any of their previous songs. No acoustic guitars, backed mostly by synths, etc. And a breakup song! Do A&A have any other break up songs? Was picked with a 89% approval rating: high, but not as high as it could be (below Jonas Bros. for example). I'm not sure what I think of the song itself, but I'm not very happy with it if it represents the style they are going with on their next album. I guess I can wait and see.

― Greg Fanoe, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno what Pick It or Kick It is (a US thang, I assume), but the song appears to have been upped to youtube already:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aly+aj+potential+break+up&search=Search

I won't be able to listen until tonight.

much more electro than any of their previous songs. No acoustic guitars, backed mostly by synths, etc
I'm sure A&A said at the beginning of the year that the next album would be 'a lot more rock'. But I for one will be happy if that isn't true.

― Jeff W, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Uh-oh..."Yahoo! Answers - Is Aly and Aj's new song about fornication?"

Song's pretty great! Love the castanets + music box on the chorus. And they are officially funny without nudging me too hard about it: "Now all I want is just my stuff back/ Did you get that?/ Let me repeat that: I WANT MY STUFF BACK/ You can leave it in a box/ I don't care just drop it off."

― dabug, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't on their next album IIRC, it's a one-off for a Disney soundtrack. (Jeff, Pick It or Kick It is a weekly feature on Radio Disney where kids choose whether or not a new song should go into rotation. This one will probably show up on the Top 30 in a week or so, airplay to follow.)

― dabug, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Upon further reflection/listening I DO like the song, I was just a bit thrown off by the sound of it.

― Greg Fanoe, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

PS - interesting that they're swiping from Ben Folds and the Spice Girls in the same song (whether they meant to or not).

― dabug, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't on their next album IIRC, it's a one-off for a Disney soundtrack.

Do you mean their upcoming MTV made for TV movie?

― Greg Fanoe, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

OK, call me utterly predictable, but "Potential..." is my single of the year so far. It sounds really European to me - there's a bit of ABBA in there, a bit of Madness... Wonderful.

― Jeff W, Monday, 14 May 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it is on their next album:

This is the potential breakup song
Our album needs just one
Oh baby, please -- please tell me

― dabug, Monday, 14 May 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Their previous soundtrack songs made it onto their album proper.

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

And Aly & A.J.'s MySpace says that "Potential Break Up Song" is on Insomniatic. (They stream about a minute and a half of it.)

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

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