Acts whose entire album output has always been on the decline, with no exception

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The Orb?

At one point, I might have been persuaded to agree, but their last album was shockingly good.

Also, "Orbus Terrarum" was a huge letdown. I think they recovered a bit after that.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The Orb?

"Pommes Fritz" is a better album than "Orblivion"?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

BADLY DRAWN BOY

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Tori Amos - no way, her Pele through to Venus period trumps her first two albums by a very long way.

Tricky - probably, but who's even bothered to track the descent of the last few?

Garbage - surely no one can argue against them. And they've done it to such an extreme (from an awesome debut to really hideously bad stuff within two albums).

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

1) Chuck is crazy re: The Clash.
2) Though Liz Phair is most certainly in decline, "Rock Me" from her last record along with several tracks from Whitechocolatespaceegg and Whipsmart blow at least half of the songs on Exile In Guyville out of the water. Exile is so overrated, I've always considered Whipsmart to be the real classic in her catalog.
3) Boys For Pele is the best Tori Amos record by a massive margin.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "re: the Clash"--dude, Cxxxk is crazy period.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, in spite of my defense of Make Believe, I totally agree that each Weezer record is weaker than the previous, though I like the songs I like on Maladroit a lot more than the songs I like on the Green Album. Filler can really ruin an average.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Tricky is in decline as well, but I think Premillenium Tension is a little bit better than Maxinquaye, which I don't think has aged nearly as well. Nevertheless, Tricky still makes a lot of great music, he's just wildly erratic and overeager to release his worst material and bury gems on very obscure records, if he releases them at all.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoever said Oasis was pretty dead-on, though I do like Morning Glory better than Definitely Maybe. Be Here Now is about 60% good, then the percentages drop off sharply with each new record.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Garbage's best album is their second.
There are too many people being listed who only really have two albums.
Tori Amos NOT being an example fourthed, fifthed and sixthed.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Tortoise

no, the first tortoise album is terrible.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(that is a massive overstatement. it's just not nearly as great as tnt and millions. I can't believe anyone would think it was).

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Though Liz Phair is most certainly in decline, "Rock Me" from her last record along with several tracks from Whitechocolatespaceegg and Whipsmart blow at least half of the songs on Exile In Guyville out of the water.

Agree completely, on a track-by-track basis. But... I think there was a good track on Heartbeat City, yet I'll still take The Cars...

Exile is so overrated, I've always considered Whipsmart to be the real classic in her catalog.

Contrarian. DeRogatorous. Please expand to 2500 words and submit for "Kill Your Second-Tier Idols."

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

bad brains

tipustiger, Friday, 20 May 2005 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Well let's put it this way - I really love just about everything song on Whipsmart, but I only really like about 2/3 of Exile. I really like the guitar tone on Whipsmart, there's this overall sound to the instruments and production that I think it quite distinctive and special. I could expand on this, but that's really what it boils down to. Obvs a lot of her big classics are on Exile and I don't dispute that.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people might say Michael Jackson, if you start with Off The Wall. Not me though.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

JAMC?

smirky, Friday, 20 May 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Dead Kennedys
Feelies? (I confess I haven't heard all of Only Life)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say Michael Jackson. I'm kinda odd though for liking Off The Wall better than Thriller.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

that doesn't really make you that odd, but it's neither here nor there inasmuch as michael j released a bunch of solo albums before off the wall.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, two in 1972 that were off my radar.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

and one in 1973. and one in 1975.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Metallica.

cdwill, Friday, 20 May 2005 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Xhuxk, gotta disagree with you on ABC--"How to Be a Zillionaire!" is way way better than "Beauty Stab" (I actually like it better in many ways than "The Lexicon of Love").

I also think Sandanista! is the Clash's best album, but I don't expect many people to agree with me on that one.

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Katatonia
Anathema
Paradise Lost
Celtic Frost
The Prodigy (surprised they weren't mentioned yet!)

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

tricky wins

Sym Sym (sym), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Wu Tang Clan
Venom (pre-reunion)
Emperor

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I think most people would feel exactly the opposite way I do, but for me Nightsongs > Heart > Set Yourself On Fire, so I say: Stars.

brittle-lemon, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

[i]abc?[/i]

You know, [i]Beauty Stab[/i] and [i]How to Be a Zillionaire[/i] are really, really good, and to this day I play them way more than I do [i]Lexicon of Love[/i]. But that's me, I guess. And even [i]Alphabet City[/i] has one of their most sublime songs ever, "Rage and then regret."

brittle-lemon, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Use < and > for tags rather than [ and ]

Btw. I am kind of surprised there is no mention of Massive Attack yet. The only thing that prevents me from listing them is that I like "Protection" better than "Blue Lines", but I think most don't.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Nooo, I like Protection and Mezzanine better than Blue Lines too. There was a case to be made that they were getting better rather than worse until that terrible 100th Window thing.

Garbage's best album is their second.

hmm, it certainly has a lot of their finest moments but there's also a lot more filler on Version 2.0 compared with Garbage.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

the girlysound demos are way better than exile on guyville.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Muse, who whilst making increasingly poor albums, have become more and more popular

and

Stone Roses > Second Coming > Ian Brown solo > John Squire solo


Possibly King Crimson, though i havent heard everythin, In the Court remains my favourite.

dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Pere Ubu?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Nurse With Wound!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Derek Bailey. It's all been downhill since Mantovani Goes To Hollywood (Decca, 1967, no really he's on it!), no?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Vibrators, probably."

Definitely not, I love The Vibrators dearly but the quality of their albums has been up and down all over the place over the years - and even if they'd released an album of Knox humming tunelessly over the sound of Eddie farting in the bath, it would have been hard-pushed not to be an improvment over 1996's execrable and frankly embarassing "unpunked".

"ian dury and the blockheads?"

True up until the release of Mr. Lovepants in 1998, but definitely not thereafter.

"Pere Ubu?"

I can see an argument for this up until they split up in '82; but since they reformed in '88 their albums have been up and down like a whore's drawers in quality terms.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Possibly King Crimson"

Steadily downhill for the first ten years but 1981's Discipline has to be the second best - if not the best album they've done, and over the last 10 years, even allowing for the difficulty in deciphering which releases are "official" and which aren't, and sometimes even which are "live" and which aren't, the quality control's been up and down like the teeth of a rusty saw.

[New expressions to describe a regularly repeated up-and-then-down-and-then-up-again motion urgently required. See-saws need not apply]

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

John Lydon?

Actually, "First Edition" being the blip that Metal Box was better than. OK, allowing for that one...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Moby Grape - a stonewall one that

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Tiny Tim

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Moby, surely.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

... with or without Grape

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

How about Cheap Trick -- at least for the first 17 years of their recording career:

Cheap Trick (1977) > In Color > Heaven Tonight > Dream Police > All Shook Up > Next Position Please > Standing On The Edge > The Doctor > Lap Of Luxury > Busted > Woke Up With A Monster

Alas, it is impossible to argue that Cheap Trick (1997) continued the decline, so the chain has to stop. I suspect that the assumptions that most people would dispute are a) that Cheap Trick (1977) is their studio peak (an opinion that I've always had), b) that The Doctor is better than Lap Of Luxury (I'm almost completely unfamiliar with the material on The Doctor, but I think that you would have to dock LOL the max for the invasion of the outside songwriters to support this opinion...), and c) that Busted is better than Woke Up With A Monster (probably unsupportable, although my only exposure to WUWAM was when one of the videos showed up on Beavis & Butthead...).

John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Fishbone? (Though again, I know zilch about their later stuff.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), May 19th, 2005.

While they never matched their first album, I don't think it'd be fair to call their output from then on a "steady decline." I thought Truth and Soul, Reality of my Surroundings, and Give a Monkey a Brain all had some good moments on them.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It pains me to say it, but I think the Buzzcocks could qualify here.

And the Sex Pistols.
Probably Suicide, too.

Dr Benway (dr benway), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"It pains me to say it, but I think the Buzzcocks could qualify here."

You've not heard their last one the, presumably? Not their best by any means, but defiitely their best since Trade Test Transmissions imho.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Tech help: Why is my computer only displaying the "n"'s that I type in on an apparently random basis?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I haven't, but now I will. Thanks for saving me from that painful realiztion.

Dr Benway (dr benway), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)


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