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Thx! I love "Promise Ring"! It has so many great, subtle things going on in it (especially the synths...not to mention the background vocals and those brief points where she starts morphing into Beyonce but then stops and falls back into the beat (as opposed to overpowering it))

― Tape Store, Friday, 4 May 2007 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

we've been talking about 'promise ring' on the r&b thread! i love it - as rtc said the genius is in how it gets all sincere and heartfelt in the verses before tiff abruptly perks up with "if u break your promise we're breaking up!"

i don't think we have promise rings here.

― lex pretend, Friday, 4 May 2007 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

Pop star KELLY CLARKSON has reportedly scrapped her new album after label bosses weren't impressed with the record. The 25-year-old singer suffered a scathing attack from Sony BMG chief Clive Davis after he heard the new tracks, reports British newspaper the Daily Star

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/clarkson%20scraps%20new%20album_1029971

lol

― MRZBW, Friday, 4 May 2007 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

(Forgot to mention that R&B thread tipped me to "Promise Ring." Fixed.)

Ah, but Popjustice just tipped me to an even bigger R&B sensation: HONEYSHOT, the new girl group created by the Saatchi & Saatchi advertising company. Bedbug readers might remember that I already named these gals THE LOVEMARKS because...

Lovemarks form a key pillar in what we believe. Lovemarks are super-developed brands that inspire loyalty beyond reason. The relationship Lovemarks have with the people who buy them is not built on function, but on emotion....and function.

So please, if Honeyshot ever comes up in conversation/the charts, call them by their proper name (since your mom will probably wash yr mouth out with soap if you talk to her about a band called HONEYSHOT anyway). --Lovemarks 4ever--

― dabug, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

From the Entertainment Weekly website:

Britain's Daily Star reported that Sony BMG chief Clive Davis found Kelly Clarkson's new album so vile, she's now forced to scrap it. I guess you could have stopped reading after the first three words of this sentence to assume this is bogus, even though the American blogs are all aflutter. But her publicist assures EW it's "not true."

"Never Again"'s jump to number 8 is fueled by digital downloads (where it's number 4 for the week). The song is still only at number 22 in top 40 airplay, and its relatively small rise in spins doesn't bode well (517 in the last seven days, compared to 1,114 for Daughtry's "Home" and 1,000 for "Girlfriend" and 637 for "U + Ur Hand," which as I said has been around for months and months), though maybe it'll take off. My guess is that her album sales this time will be less dependent on radio support than the last two were. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if Carrie Underwood's Some Hearts ends up outselling Breakaway.

― Frank Kogan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

Happy 19th, Skye...

― dabug, Saturday, 5 May 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

So, wait, 'Lovemarks' is supposed to be less dirty than 'Honeyshot'?

― Nia, Sunday, 6 May 2007 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think they did that on purpose.

― dabug, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't been looking at the ILM front page much, so don't know if there is a thread on the worst song of the year, a song that I believe should be retitled "I Touched Her Perfect Body With My Mind, Except I Don't Have One". Hazel celebrates its horribleness here, and a group of us maul it to death here, though it is shaking off its demise and getting played on radio stations, especially in the dark woods of upstate New York.

― Frank Kogan, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

I like the J:horror influence in "Never Again's" bathroom sequence and onward

I'm not in touch with J:horror. I thought of Les Diaboliques.

― Frank Kogan, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

The J:Horror 'look' has, of course, been dumbed down to a few images, lighting and editing styles and iconic elements. There's the overlit, chromtically exsanguinated thing, the jittery jump cut, water as a ominous thing, bathrooms and restrooms as omnious places and so on.

Anyway, I think "Never Again" as a sogn is prime B side material. Everything there is enjoyable and immaculately crafted, but there really isn't an ear worm hook.

The form of the chorus is a central problem as a single. The main repeating melody is hard to sing to say nothig of remember due to it being a sort of bent fifth that resolves but also flirts with what some might thing atonal--or a least feel that way for precious milleseconds.

Then there's the other element of the chorus, Clarkson vamping on her words, which leads to a listerner not quite sure what to sing along *with*.

You out them together and although it works, it's miles away from "Since U Been Gone" or the P!nk song.

The middle eight is terrific, as middle eights tend to be, as they're a break from what comes before and follow many fewer rules, but, you know, we're two minutes into the song before a totally coherent melody asserts itself, and that can't be good.

Speaking of P!nk, I think she's vastly more intreresting than any of the teenpop phenoms so far. Really, she's everything Madonna has been ramming down our throats for decades to believe she is--except P!nk really is a whole mess of things--and all of them incredibly savvy. And God, what a great lyric writer. She makes me think of the Margaret Cho of pop in alot of ways it's too late to explain (although the video for "God is a DJ" helps locate what I'm suggesting.). I almost never agree with Xgau but he has a pithy line of her that I'm too lazy to locate right now that sums her up elegantly.

― i, grey, Sunday, 6 May 2007 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

And my apologies for late night typing.

― i, grey, Sunday, 6 May 2007 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking as a parent (or not), I have to say I really love the line where Jordan Pruitt dreads to make her bed (and doesn't want to clean her room because she doesn't want to leave friends waiting) in "Teenager." Very nifty Chic-like bassline, too.

Also, this is from the rolling country thread:

Also listening this weekend to Jimmy Ray's bizarre post-George Michael-doing-"Faith" pompadoured fake funkabilly self-titled album from ten years ago (which produced the top 40 hit "Are You Jimmy Ray"); for some reason, a copy ended up on the free table at work Friday. What an odd, fun, record. As close to Rednex as to the Stray Cats, really, yet not really techno at all. I'm not sure WHAT to compare it to. (Where was he from again? And, related question, didn't the UK have a cheesy fake rockabilly revival in the '80s? How much did Culture Club/Bow Wow Wow/whatever style "new pop" influences fit into that? Hopefully a whole lot.)
-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 9:10 AM (3 hours ago)
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Maybe Jimmy Ray could be compared to "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" by Queen, or "Delerious" and/or "Horny Toad" by Prince? But he's maybe less rockabilly than the former, more than the latter. ("Tired of Toein' the Line" by Rocky Burnette??)

-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 9:17 AM (2 hours ago)
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Also in the tradition of early '60s teenybopper fakeabilly by...I dunno, Bobby Rydell I guess? (How rockabilly were Fabian and Frankie Avalon at the time?) (Ricky Nelson is too authentic a comparison!)

-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 9:21 AM (2 hours ago)
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Ha ha, "Way Low" on the Jimmy Ray album sounds kinda like if some semi-dancehall reggae guy like Shinehead attempted a rockabilly number with lots of Elvis hiccups in it. (Man, if the Wyclef song on the new Big'N'Rich sounded this cool, I'd be happy.)

-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 9:34 AM (2 hours ago)
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And hmmm, Ray's "Look Inside Your Love" is either a BLATANT "Mmmbop" rip, or vice versa (they were both the same year, 1997! Anybody know which came first?)

-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 9:44 AM (2 hours ago)
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And okay, I just figured something else out (when I should have been cooking chicken in the kitchen instead): Track 10 of Jimmy Ray's CD, "Free At Last," more "You Can't Hurry Love" and teenpop than rockabilly is on (actually, probably half of his tracks are rockabilly-free, especially the sort of miniature George Michael blue eyed soul numbers, like "Trippin On Baby Blue" etc), and I realized the real precedent for his bubblebilly is probably early '80s Brit pop stars Westworld, of "Sonic Boom Boy" fleeting fame. I liked them a lot, too! (Though sadly, I don't have their album anymore.)

AMG on Jimmy Ray:

Fusing a neo-rockabilly image with contemporary dance-pop rhythms, singer Jimmy Ray was born and raised in East London, where he grew up on a steady diet of classic Elvis, Cliff Richard and Tommy Steele singles. He later surfaced in a techno duo called A.V., recording an album which went unreleased; upon mounting a solo career, Ray was signed by manager Simon Fuller, the same impresario who launched the Spice Girls to superstardom. His debut single, "Are You Jimmy Ray?," was issued in the UK in late 1997, becoming a hit both at home and in the U.S.; a self-titled LP followed the next year.

AMG on Westworld:

Led by the other one from Generation X (not Billy Idol or Tony James, but guitarist Bob "Derwood" Andrews), Westworld also included American vocalist Elizabeth Westwood and drummer Nick Burton. Named after the 1973 Disneyland disaster film, the trio applied pop sensibilities to the punk and post-punk forms Andrews had been immersed in, and hit number 11 on the British charts with their 1987 single "Sonic Boom Boy." The group's only subsequent Top 40 success was "Ba-Na-Na-Bam-Boo," later that year, another single from the Westworld debut album Rockulator. Second album Beat Box Rock 'N' Roll followed in 1988, but 1991's Movers & Shakers was the trio's last.

-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 11:32 AM (44 minutes ago)
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And beyond that of course there's the whole dang rockabilly-party-on-saturday-night '50s revival coursing back through Brit TOTP pop at least as far back as glam rock, duh. (This is having less and less to do with "country" as I go on, isn't it? Sorry.) Hey kids summertime blues jump up and down in your blue suede shoes. (Wow, I just realized I don't think I've ever heard a Shakin' Stevens song.)

-- xhuxk, Sunday, May 6, 2007 12:00 PM (16 minutes ago)

Plus I just noticed that Jimmy's "Goin to Vegas" contains references to both "White Lines" by Grandmaster Flash (via "Let's Dance" by Bowie?) and whatever jump-blues song said "take it right back to the track, Jack" ("Choo Choo Ch'Boogie" by Louis Jordan, I think?) (So the mid '90s Cherry Poppin Daddies "swing revival" might figure here as well.)

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Don Allred from country thread:

One thing that helped his popology, liked it helped mine: he also managed a record store, I think, but didn't recruit his clerks for his band, unlike Hungry Chuck Cleaver or Whatchamacallit that ran The Coolies. What I like best about the song is that his chorus girls ask him, "Are you Link Wray? Are you Johnnie Ray?" or anyway drop their names, and he's somewhere in between those two (although not as intense as either), who are fave raves of mine.And both had something to do with country, in dif ways. Mentions a bunch of other Rays, but leaves out Barry Hannah's Ray, which is quite possibly the greatest novel ever written about or set in Tuscaloosa(how's that for classical qualified hyperbole)

-- dow, Sunday, May 6, 2007 12:49 PM (3 minutes ago)

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Another "Over It," courtesy Tiffany Affair. We're averaging four "Over It"s in four months; if we continue at this rate we will have twelve for the year. So far they're all good. (If one believes the Web, the producer of this one is Scott Storch.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=57668#unread

Thread about producers Stargate (and the Sunday NY Times article about them)

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Steve, did you post this because Stargate produced Tiffany Affair's first single, or is that just a coincidence? In any event, go to my Tiffany Affair link two posts up (it's to their MySpace) and the second track is the Stargate-produced "Start A Fire." (As of today, anyway.) (I way prefer "Over It," however. Generally prefer Storch to Stargate, as well.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer Starch as well, just found the NY Times article about Stargate's production approach interesting, and I figured one of their efforts might interest you folks who post on this thread (I just lurk on this one and ocassionally ask my 13 year-old boy his thoughts on some of the discussed songs although his tastes lean more rap and rock and that overlaps here some of the time).

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Storch

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Latest Mediabase numbers have Pink's "U + Ur Hand" as the most played song on top 40 radio over the last seven days. However, if you go by audience size (I assume Mediabase is factoring in market size, market share, and time of day that song is played) Gym Class Heroes and Timbaland still have more top 40 listeners. The five tracks with the most top 40 spins are Pink's "U + Ur Hand," Gym Class Heroes "Cupid's Chokehold," Fergie's "Glamorous," Timbaland's "Give It To Me," and Avril's "Girlfriend" (which is rising the fastest). But when you add in other formats (urban, rhythmic, alternative rock, adult contemporary) you get a different story. Of the five I just mentioned (doing it by listens, not spins) Timbaland's got the most (83.4 million listens), Fergie next (79.4 million), then Gym Class Heroes (67.3 million), Pink (61.5 million), and Avril (51.3 million). Kelly's "Never Again" is down at 27.6, 8.1 of which is from the "hot AC" format. (Hot AC willing to go for some hard rock in a pop act; have been at least since Evanescence's "Bring Me To Life.") But the big story (though it has no bearing on rolling teenpop) (or maybe it does) is T-Pain's "Buy U A Drank," which is getting only 15.6 million on top 40 but when you add in the urban and rhythmic formats it's up at a strong 117.3 million.

(Timberlake and Daughtry both still rising strong; Rihanna rising, but not so strong, "Never Again" still rising but the rise is getting weaker. Maroon5 is leading the downloads, where Avril and Kelly were strong as of last week.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

What a strange time for ILM when Frank Kogan is the most up-to-date person on the top 40 charts!

― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

(not meaning any disrespect you understand)

― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

The 13 year-old girls at my son's Bar Mitzvah party this weekend reacted enthusiastically to the d.j.'s playing of Avril's "Girlfriend."

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

"Girlfriend" may be crossing to a lot of listeners, including the Radio Disney listeners, even if they'll never hear it on Radio Disney. Perhaps the song is remapping the top 40 a bit (even if I find the track heavy-handed).

It is possible to over-emphasize the dominance of r&b by focusing on the number one spot* (Hinder "Lips Of An Angel" was number 3 and Evanescence's "Bring Me To Life" was number 5, but they were huge songs anyway that resulted in mammoth album sales), but r&b is the biggest pop form (and of course almost all American pop music has r&b somewhere in its genetic makeup, "Girlfriend" actually having quite a lot that comes from black music of the late '50s and early '60s). So "Girlfriend"'s hitting number one is significant (and it may rise to one again; it's first week at number one was on the basis of downloads, with little airplay to back it up; now it's getting the airplay).

A number two that I thought was going to have a huge impact was "Since U Been Gone," but actually there weren't subsequent top-tenners that had quite that combo of rock and tune, and after "Behind These Hazel Eyes" Dr. Luke only had one other top forty hit (Ashley Parker Angel's "Let U Go" at number 12, unless I'm forgetting something else) until this last month (or whenever "U + Ur Hand" finally reached the top 40), and last week he had two in the top ten! So the rock 'n' bubblegum thing that SUBG had promised may come to pass. Or not.

(*Didn't hear or read SFJ's EMP presentation, so I don't know for sure what he's emphasizing, though my guess is that simply by reading the titles of the songs that hit number one he made a very powerful point.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

The rock/bubblegum thing still seems to have a novelty aspect to it.

I read someone (was it Jess H./Strongo?)suggest that the r'n'b/pop songs that SFJ cited (from several years ago) are superior to today's r'n'b/pop hits. I'm inclined to agree though I'm not sure why. It's also interesting how time marches on and some of us are now now fondly looking back at those glorious Timba & Missy days of yore.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Missy never had a number one (though she was featured on a couple other people's). Not that this addresses what you're saying. Seems to me that 2006 was generally a stronger year for r&b than for hip-hop (are you including hip-hop hits in your category "r&b/hip-hop hits"?), and since I generally prefer hip-hop I could be depressed about this if I wanted to be, except I wasn't because a lot of what I was listening to was fabulous. Cassie's extraordinary "Me & U" didn't even make my top ten. (Fwiw, the r&b/hip-hop tracks that did were "Vans" by the Pack, "London Bridge" by Fergie, and "It's Goin' Down" by Yung Joc. And of course the black influence was all over the others in my top ten as well.)

― Frank Kogan, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

OMG dibs The Black Influence for my next bandname

― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

That tiffany affair song is nice, but I prefer the LAX Gurlz single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfLeCCMygc0

apparently their producer has an LAX Boyz group in the pipeline. Just when will the boy groups be back, anyway?

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jonas Brothers! They're baaaaaack!

― dabug, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

multi-x-post

Sasha F-J was talking about r'n'b-pop hits circa 2004-2005.

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

"Jonas Brothers! They're baaaaaack!"

ah yes, I forgot. This is hardly a substitute for N'Sync, however.

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

New Aly and AJ lyrics from their new Disney TV movie:

“It took too long for you to call back
and normally I would just forget that
except for the fact that it was my birthday
my stupid birthday”

New Jonas Bros. song "Move On" NOT about the political org (shock) but possibly about Aly and Joe Jonas splitting up (or something), so maybe this one's about Joe. Not to be confused with Nick, who, fun fact, uses a wireless insulin pump so as not to get it tangled up in his guitar cords. (I guess the dating market for quasi-celebrity evangelical teenpoppers isn't exactly booming, tho probably bigger than you'd think.)

― dabug, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I read someone (was it Jess H./Strongo?)suggest that the r'n'b/pop songs that SFJ cited (from several years ago) are superior to today's r'n'b/pop hits. I'm inclined to agree though I'm not sure why. It's also interesting how time marches on and some of us are now now fondly looking back at those glorious Timba & Missy days of yore.

making a direct comparison between timba-then and timba-now, there's no question that then (turn of the century i guess) was a golden age (though what he's doing now is still v good); and no one's really stepped up to replace him, and i think crucially for people who yearn after that golden age, no dominant aesthetic's really stepped up either. (certainly in r&b - you could argue crunk? but that has a tendency to resolve towards the generic (NO BAD THING) in contrast to how timba and the neps always seemed to be pushing into unexplored territory.)

but there's just as much great r&b now as there was then, it's just...scattered around the place a bit more.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

So "Girlfriend"'s hitting number one is significant

As much as I love "Girlfriend," I don't think bubblegum punk will really take over the charts any time soon. I mean, apart from Avril and Kelly, who's capable of creating it? Even though Stefani's something of a musical chameleon, I really doubt that "Girlfriend" will sway her into rock land. I mean, is "Girlfriend" really that much bigger than "Cupid's Chokehold" or "Sugar, We're Goin' Down"? That whole Fall Out Boy/Panic! ~~scene~~ arms race definitely inspired a huge number of bands, but apart from three or four exceptions, it's mostly stayed in its own camp. And even when big hip-hop names attempt to integrate that style, it's failed (see Kanye's remix, parts of Timbaland's latest album). I don't see what makes bubblegum punk any different. It's a nice little genre, but if it started getting more airplay, it'd get old quickly....I don't think that Avril's carrying some golden torch...and even if she is, I don't think anyone will grab on.

― Tape Store, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

The info keeps comin':

We’ve confirmed that Aly & AJ’s upcoming release on July 10th will go by the title Insomniatic. The first single off the CD will be “Potential Break Up Song”.

OK, I'm officially pretty excited about this.

― dabug, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

(and the fact that with very little anagramming the title becomes AMNIOTIC SIN is but one of the aspects of this project that excites me. PLEEEEASE let there be a thinly-veiled pro-life song on this thing.)

― dabug, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

'potential break-up song' = brilliant title!

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

Miranda Lambert album comes in at number 6 on the Billboard 200, number 1 on the country chart (as did her last one). What's significant about this is that she's only had one single make it into the country top 20. So her sales run far ahead of airplay. Oh yeah, and she rocks really hard. Reason I bring it up on this thread is that it bodes well for Kelly. Her rockers don't need to get big airplay to sell the album.

Exemplary Miranda lyric: "What became of all the boys who only want one thing? Someone tell me what I'm doin' wrong."

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

This is what my singles list looks like at this point:

1. Lloyd f. Lil Wayne "You"
2. Ashley Tisdale "Not Like That"
3. JoJo "Anything"
4. Yung Berg "Sexy Lady"
5. Keak Da Sneak "That Go"
6. Linda Sundblad "Lose You"
7. Taylor Swift "Teardrops On My Guitar"
8. Dragonette "I Get Around"
9. Rihanna f. Jay-Z "Umbrella" [also the remix w/ Lil Mama]
10. Kelly Clarkson "Never Again"

Albums:
1. Miranda Lambert Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
2. Jordan Pruitt No Ordinary Girl

(The reason my album list is so short is that I'm now off of most mailing lists, so haven't heard that much. But these two albums will probably be standing at the end of the year, while most of the singles will get superseded.)

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

apart from Avril and Kelly, who's capable of creating it?

Marion Raven, Megan McCauley, the Veronicas, Pink, Skye Sweetnam, Brie Larson, the first three of whom having already done Dr. Luke songs that are better than "Girlfriend." (Too bad Megan's abandoned the field.) Not that I necessarily think they all should do the new Luke sound, which I've got lots of reservations about.

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

And two of the latter three having songs with Dr. Luke that either aren't quite as good as "Girlfriend" (arguably...I don't know if I prefer "U + Ur Hand," which is a fascinating mess, to "Girlfriend," which is less messy but also less interesting -- but then again as far as this kind of stuff being popular goes, "U + Ur Hand" has been a pretty enduring success, right?) or haven't been released yet. If "Girl Like Me" by SkyeMaxLuke sounds anything like "Girlfriend," I'll be kinda pissed, since Skye already went through her bratty cheerleader phase...when she was like fifteen. But whatever. (I doubt Brie will abandon the field entirely, but her main focus doesn't seem to be music at the moment. I'm already slating A&A's new one in my top ten, hope I'm not setting my expectations too high.)

― dabug, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

once again y'all forgot about Fefe Dobson who had some pretty damned good success with this style and was about to blow it up last year when Sunday Love was KEPT DOWN BY THE MAN

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't think any of these people will have much chart success apart from Radio Disney. But maybe I'll be wrong.

― Tape Store, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

And duh, of course there are people who can make it, but my question was talking about established pop artists (not saying those people aren't big, just not on the Hot 100)

― Tape Store, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

Personal top 10 singles and top 6 albums:

1) Natasha Bedingfield - "I Wanna Have Your Babies"
2) My Chemical Romance - "Famous Last Words"
3) Amerie - "Gotta Work"
4) Sophie Ellis-Bextor - "Catch You"
5) Vanessa Hudgens - "Say OK"
6) Fall Out Boy - "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race"
7) Toby Keith - "High Maintenance Woman"
8) Kelly Clarkson - "Never Again"
9) Tim Armstrong ft Skye Sweetnam - "Into Action"
10) Katharine McPhee - "Over It"

["The Best Damn Thing" would be number one if released].

Albums:
1. Miranda Lambert - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
2. Jordan Pruitt - No Ordinary Girl
3. Fall Out Boy - Infinity on High
4. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
5. Hilary Duff - Dignity
6. Avril Lavigne - The Best Dam Thing

My guesses: "Babies" fends off comers to remain in the top 10, the other ones are extremely bumpable. All 6 of the albums will contend for top 10. My guess is that Miranda stays at number one all year.

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

The other one, oddly enough, that may stay in the top 10 is "Catch You" which right now I don't like quite as much as MCR and Amerie but which has been slowly climbing my list all year.

I'm not a big fan of the new Luke sound. "Tap That", "U+Ur Hand", and "4ever" are all basically the same song, and it's not a bad song but I'm just getting bored with it. The Luke songs on the Avril album tend to be among my least favorites.

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Tape Store, I'd say that none of those singers (Marion Raven et al.) have a chance on Radio Disney anymore, and Disney's not going for that sound that I can hear. So Top 40 is their only chance - and the success of "Girlfriend" may give it to them, though actually I'm skeptical too as to whether the success will transfer, and as I said I don't necessarily think those performers should or will go for the new Luke sound; these days, when Marion isn't duetting with Meat Loaf she's trying to be Motley Crüe; but her Luke-y "Break You" and "End Of Me"* were terrific if quite soggy). Greg, I love love love "4ever," which didn't have the hard-rock overkill of "Girlfriend," I like "Tap That" a lot despite its overkill, and "U + Ur Hand" is an interesting mess and unlike "Tap That" (which has a Salt N Pepa style rap in it!) is simply "4ever" with the words changed and Pink clumsily trying to make it her own. If I'd not heard "4ever" I might love "U + Ur Hand."

*"End Of Me" is kinda like if some goth chick decided to half do Joni Mitchell while keeping the revved up SUBG production. And "Tap That" is a goth chick doing Luke 'n' Pepa.

― Frank Kogan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Look what dabug found:

Hi, her name is Marble and she is the best thing that happened to POP music since 1178 AD

― Frank Kogan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

"4ever" was somewhere in my top 20 singles of the year last year, so I like it too, but my point is that I wanna hear something else from Luke other than just full on pushing rock. "Hard-rock overkill" is a good phrase. That overkill was the very reason I preferred (and still prefer) "Sweet Temptation" to any of the actual Luke or Martin/Luke songs. ("Behind These Hazel Eyes" is close.)

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

And to correct a misstatement above, even the non-rock Luke songs ("Love Me Or Hate Me", "Nothing In This World", etc.), even the ones I really enjoy, I generally thing are going too far. I just think he needs to rein it in a bit.

― Greg Fanoe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

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