why dont black people really like any music other than black music?

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wikapaedia-In the early 1960s, Reeves was more popular than Elvis Presley in South Africa. During this period, he recorded several albums in Afrikaans. In 1963 he starred in a South African film, Kimberley Jim, which was the biggest South African production up to that date.

You are aware that there is a huge white population in South Africa, and that in the 60s they had most of the money, which enabled them to buy most of the music?

Still, even recently, there have been examples of typical "white" music doing well in South Africa. And one would now expect the black part of the population to participate in the buying too.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 10:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd like to see Geir's sales statistics.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 October 2008 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, in the case of Africa, I don't think that sales would tell much about the taste of the people anyway. In poor countries, most people cannot afford to buy records. But they still like music.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link

You'll find (generally speaking), they tend to buy records more. And play them more often.

Mark G, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:08 (fifteen years ago) link

But they still like music.

Wow. I did not know that.

QuantumNoise, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link

what about afrikaans?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?

There are those of them that do, and there are others that sadly don't.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean, I am not so interested in putting "race" on music. Generally the world would have been a better place musically if all races and all Nationalities considered melody and harmony the two most important elements in all music.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

suggest ban

Joe the C.R.E.E.P. Operative (Rock Hardy), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:42 (fifteen years ago) link

whatev. the black dudes in my neighborhood are rocking Yessongs like nonstop.

flyover statesman (will), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link

the thread that keeps on giving

baaderonixx, Monday, 20 October 2008 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Westlife are very popular in East Africa, as I know from experience.

chap, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Westlife are very popular everywhere.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah...

Mark G, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

13 number one hit singles, at present.

The beatles had 17.

It's just a matter of time...

Mark G, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

wow...weird..my best friend from HS roomed with a guy from nigeria in college and we hung out a lot...anyway he LOVED jim reeves (his dad was a big fan)..kinda surprised me, wrote it off to a personal/family quirky taste thing, am surprised to hear that reeves is just big in africa in general! that's super awesome and cool.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

XP. The moment The Beatles are beaten by Westlife in the case of #1 singles is when people will definitely stop using chart positions to back why The Beatles are great.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Jim Reeves C/D?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 October 2008 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

why should black people HAVE to listen to non black music? what is this rule that says they have to do this? is there not enough variety in black music already?

Well, given the treatment of Geir on these boards, people clearly have a problem with people who in the main listen to white music.

but there's still this issue of 'black people not liking non black music' to contend with. i dont really have a problem with it, personally, as lots of ethnic groups dont really venture out of their musical comfort zone that much so black people arent that different.

And yet, Geir gets called a racist.

Freedom, Monday, 20 October 2008 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

what does a guy saying dumb shit three years ago have to do with geir being a racist

goole, Monday, 20 October 2008 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Why are black people always listening to stuff like Talulah Gosh and Henry's Dress? Are the Pastels too "cracker" for their taste?

fremme (unregistered), Monday, 20 October 2008 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link

knew a guy from grenada at uni who said that incubus and linkin park were pretty big back home.

stone cold all time hall of fame classics (internet person), Monday, 20 October 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?
There are those of them that do, and there are others that sadly don't

I love this.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 20 October 2008 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

There are tons of people here who "in the main listen to white music" and don't catch shit for it because they're not absurd and obnoxious about it

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 20 October 2008 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

The entire ILM was started as a "LOL, people who listen to white music are stupid and they should listen to black music (and manufactured white kidpop) instead".

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link

good thing you showed up to set it all straight then

goole, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Dad's drunk!

xpost

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

The ILM

Jordan, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link

OMG, Geir found something new to be wrong about!

nabisco, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Geir is Burzum you guys

Woman Who Force Madonna At House Party To Make Bold Statement (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 20 October 2008 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

I hear there's rumours on the ILMs

allez, allons-y, on y va (ledge), Monday, 20 October 2008 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Geir with an heroically blatant attempt to get a post made into the ILM board description there

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 20 October 2008 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the "really" in the thread title.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Sounds like they're not putting in enough effort.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Sounds like they're kidding us on.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Sounds like they're faking it.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, look at things a bit closer then.

The original ILM was definitely about defending the good old pop single, as opposed to the more "rockist" notion of the album "canon". ILM back then was also very into what was the current chartpop of 2001, i.e. hip-hop, hip-hop influenced R&B and manufactured kidpop (boy/girl bands).

Upon these premises, one would expect ILM to back everything that the kids are into, particularly if the traditional "rockist" will write it off. But then, what happens? In 2002-03, along comes a new generation of manufactured punkpoppers. Obviously, the "rockists" hate them as everything about them is just as manufactured as everything about boy/girl bands used to be. But is it backed by ILM? No. Why? Because they are rooted in AOR, new wave and powerpop rather than in disco, funk or hip-hop. And, of course, ILM feels the need to write off anything that isn't rooted in so-called "black" music. So, as opposed to everything else the kids are into and the critics hate, ILM choose to part with the critics in their hatred of Pink, Avril Lavigne and the likes.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

why the fuck do you post here then?

and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i think it is you who should look at thinks a bit closer my friend!!

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:44 (fifteen years ago) link

do you write letters to the source complaining that they put rappers on the cover and don't follow the new generation of punkpoppers "because they are rooted in AOR, new wave and powerpop rather than in disco, funk or hip-hop."

and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link

The Source is a hip-hop mag, and one would expect them to back hip-hop
ILM is a pop site, and one would expect ILM to back pop. Punkpop is pop.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:47 (fifteen years ago) link

pink, avril lavigne, my chemical romance, linkin park, and pop punk in general have a lot of vocal defenders on ilm.

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:48 (fifteen years ago) link

So does indie and the "canon" too. But how many of them are among those who lament current ILM and long back the the original ILM where everyone agreed that R&B, funk and hip-hop is better than anything else?

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link

why do you give a shit?

and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:52 (fifteen years ago) link

do you have some names for the characters you're bringin up here? who are you talking about "lamenting"?

you seem really pent up with anxiety about this and caught up in a huge conflict that nobody else is in. the "originial ILM mission" (if there was such a thing) was to forget all about a "which is better" approach to genres and having everyone talk about everything on an equal basis. most of the ilm old guard grew up on indie and still loved it dearly, i have no idea what you're so pissed off about.

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:55 (fifteen years ago) link

nobody is preventing you from listening to all the music you love. it's all still there. if other people like stuff you think it awful, why should you give a shit? why do you want to stop them?

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link

nobody is preventing you from listening to all the music you love. it's all still there.

Actually, around 1990, it wasn't. There was hardly any new music being released within my favourite genres at all. At least Britpop made things better.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link


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