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is this on soulseek?

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. It's about half an hour long.

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought this thread was "search and destroy: law and order"

― dean? (deangulberry), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there should be New Order: Artistic Intent

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Lots of hate here for Republic, I see. People originally trashed "Regret" as a recycling of older material, but it has become classic with the passage of time.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Of these, "World" is the one I found to be saved by a remix. The Perfecto Edit perks this track right up and ended up being used for the video.

― Edward Bax, Sunday, 24 October 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

'Ruined in a day' is awesome though.

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Sunday, 24 October 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't really like 'Regret'. I was one of those people. My New Order obsessive friend of the time said "What are you on about? It's classic New Order!", but to my ears it still sounds kind of contrived.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 24 October 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The great lost song on Republic is Special. Spooky little chime intro, barney's half whispered vocals, lovely understated chorus in which the mood really matches the sense of loss described in the lyrics, and those Unfinished Sympathy style synth string lines at the end.

If it's not cheating to Search some non New Order tracks, then The title track of Electronic's Twisted Tenderness, the title track of The Other Two's Superhighways and Monaco's What Do You Want From Me are three of the best not-really-new-order new order songs ever.

Here To Stay was a better song than anyone could have ever expected from them at that stage in the game. It pisses all over anything from Get Ready, and that wasn't even a bad album.

Destroy: Fine Time. It almost ruins Technique. It's the only NO song I don't like.

― JimD (JimD), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, except for Confusion.

― JimD (JimD), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

There are only two bad songs on Republic--"Everyone Everywhere" and "Chemical".

Everything else is fabulous.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I've bought and sold Republic twice. I won't buy it again.

― Bimble (bimble), Monday, 25 October 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The last one that came out, I think a few years ago, was really fucking rad.

― Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Monday, 25 October 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm getting the shakes looking over this thread and reading about what some people want to destroy.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 25 October 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, except for Confusion.

but the confusion instrumental is amazing and great!

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 25 October 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

NME has an update on the NO/Gwen Stefani track.. I cant tell whether I'll love it/hate it or whether it will cause the universe to collapse upon itself:

GETTING ALONG FAMOUSLY

GWEN STEFANI has roped in NEW ORDER and ANDRE 3000 for her long-awaited solo album.

NME.COM has heard ‘Love Angel Music Baby’ (LAMB), which is released on November 22 through Interscope, and the record sees the No Doubt singer united with a host of famous friends.

New Order’s Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook – who are hard at work on their own follow-up to 2001's ‘Get Ready’ – provide guitar and bass on the track ‘Real Thing’, which was co-written by Linda Perry (Christina Aguilera / Pink) and produced by Nellee Hooper (Bjork / Massive Attack).

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

when i worked in a 2nd hand record shop a few years ago there were always lots and lots of unwanted copies of Republic.

― Louie Strychnine, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

:-0

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

search: temptation (bliss!)

destroy: fine time (i just can't stand this track. it really isn't funny!)

― Louie Strychnine, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, 'Fine Time' is the only mistep on a godly album, thus making it human.

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Fine Time" is brilliant, you pagans.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Fine Time" is the best song on _Technique_ that isn't "Dream Attack".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be 'Vanishing point', Dan...

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Vanishing Point" is the best song that isn't "Dream Attack", "Fine Time" or "Guilty Partner".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

'Fine Time' is fucking amazing.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Linda Perry?!? Say it isn't so...

(Fine Time is indeed brilliant.)

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Me and Technique, a love story

Linda Perry, source of all that is bad and wrong and stinky and mean and horrible and terrible and yech. Sorry, am I not clear?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Fine Time" is the best song on _Technique_ that isn't "Run". Bozos.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Or "All the Way".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Run" and "All The Way" are the best songs that aren't any other song on _Technique_.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I am the bizarro Dan.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

BIZARRO!

(nb do not do an image search for "bizarro" if you are at work and you don't have Google Safe Search turned on... EW)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Just as long as we don't have anyone sticking up for "Mr. Disco".

And yeah, "Fine Time" is incredibly brilliant. I didn't know that was even in question.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

'Mr Disco' is the best track on Technique except for.. some others. I don't know - there are no weak tracks, for me.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mr. Disco" is basically a second-rate Electronic song. Not so hot.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny, I'm putting Age of Consent on a mix CD for my bandmates and (apropos of some of the sentiments upthread) the reason is because it's one of the more "indie" songs by them. That does not make it a bad song, y'know.

Oh, and I hated... HA-HATED 'Fine Time' when I first heard it. Now I love it.

There is actually quite a lot of NO that's not all that hot. But when they get it right...Oooh, boy!!!!

― righteousmaelstrom, Saturday, 30 October 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

search the last fifteen seconds of "Regret." I will take that against anything and everything recorded by all those Part of the Canon/Hall of Fame characters I regularly impugn -- Dylan, Beatles, Clash, U2, Springsteen, etc. -- now and forever.

. . .

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 30 October 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

I still hold to that, Sundar. ;-)

Okay, so update based on Waiting -- I'd include "Guilt is a Useless Emotion," "Krafty" and the title track as definite searches now.

General question, meanwhile -- picked up the 81 NYC/Reading 98 DVD yesterday at last, and noticed there was a Finsbury Park 2002 DVD as well. That any good? And besides that and NewOrderStory, are those the only current official DVDs?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

There's are DVD singles for "Crystal" (released in various regions) and "Here to Stay" (PAL only?). There's also a Japanese DVD of the awesome Pumped Full of Drugs which I'm drooling over and will probably break down and order (about $27 USD at amazon.co.jp). I also have a bootleg DVD that has a good quality transfer of the extended Japanese laserdisc version of New Order Story. The 81 NYC show is also known as Taras Shevchenko (and they really should have kept the cover art from the old VHS release).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

There's also a Japanese DVD of the awesome Pumped Full of Drugs

Whoa, this is new to me -- what is this exactly?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

See here:
http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/video/pfd.html

The cover is one of Saville's most beautiful:
ihttp://www.niagara.edu/neworder/graphics/pumpedfront.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice, for some reason I had never heard of this, and it was a Factory release and all!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I rented Pumped Full of Drugs once, enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. I've heard bad things about the Finsbury Park one, I decided to pass on both of those live DVD's. Still have the 81 NYC Taras Shevchenko on good old VHS and I think it's to DIE for. I've got a bootleg of some early 80's television appearances inc. Temptation.

Really didn't like New Order Story much at all. Too slick, even downright stupid at times.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

New Order Story is my favorite ever music documentary bar none.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

But couldn't we have done without Bono's comments for one thing? Or the fake drippingly sexual voice of that female narrator?

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The voice was initially jarring and I used to hate it, but now I love it, it actually gives me chills. Bono (who's on it for like 10 seconds total, makes himself look and sound stupid (mispronouncing risque etc) which alone makes it classic, but I'm glad he was on it and he makes good comments and asks the big fascist question.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think my favourite part was when Morris talks about how he's "not a bitter man" cause he could never manage to get into the Hacienda. I like watching them sit around drinking outside, too. Still can't understand why Hooky was in that weird setup, what that was all about.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, no idea, but it's hilarious.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It made me think they were kinda trying to paint him as this hip cosmopolitan ladies man or something but it all comes off a bit odd.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The female narrator adds nothing ... did Paul Morley write her lines?

Neworderstory is a stone cold classic just for the scenes when they bring Tony Wilson on "The NO Show", resulting in a series of squirm-in-your-chair scenes as he trades insults with the band and you're not sure whether they're taking the piss or opening up the silos of resentment they have against each other (the answer, of course, is both).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I've got no problem with the Tony bits! Although I did feel for him a bit when they asked him those same old Ian Curtis questions he must have been asked 50 trillion times. He handled it well, though.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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