i think you're combining thoughts of different posters shakey
clearly, i'm too much of a fan to discount nearly anything by them. kokomo is just about the only thing i don't like. hell, i fucking stop my life just to see what carnie is up to.
the other dudes on this thread be hatin' "everything but..."
― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 21 April 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm convinced that Full House killed the Beach Boys' reputation for good. It doesn't matter how much acclaim rock critics pile on Smile or Pet Sounds. It doesn't even matter if Brian's right there onstage performing Smile or Pet Sounds. To generations, the Beach Boys will always be Uncle Jesse's favorite band.
― mike a, Monday, 21 April 2008 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.peterbrown.tv/dukedenver.JPG
― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 21 April 2008 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^argh beaten to the punch
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 21 April 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Cockomo?
Believe me, if I could remember the lyrics, I would dutifully transcribe them here.
― jaymc, Monday, 21 April 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
would much rather listen to jimmy buffett than this shit
bold, but entirely true.
Which one of these sounds more like your weekend?
Squalls out on the gulf stream Big storm's comin' soon I passed out in my hammock And God I slept 'til way past noon Stood up and tried to focus I hoped I wouldn't have to look far I knew I could use a Bloody Mary So I stumbled next door to the bar
vs.
Bodies in the sand Tropical drink melting in your hand Well be falling in love To the rhythm of a steel drum band Down in kokomo
― kenan, Monday, 21 April 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
hey I dig "Let's Do It Again" (and "Friends") a lot - my point is that making an exception of hatred for that one particular song solely because of its drum effect/sample history is a little uhhhhh waht
yeah it's totally subjective, it's not like I sat down and said "I will make an exception for one song, and that one will be 'do it again'" - most of the other beach boys shit just inspires a visceral ick-ick-get-it-out-of-here response in me whereas that one just seems to chug pleasantly along - if I was hating the Beach Boys on some principle or something, then I'd hate that song, too, but I'm not: I just experience most of their music as an unpleasant sound to be avoided, but that song I can kinda dig. I also have "s'allright" love for "Help Me Rhonda."
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Beach Boys songs off their Greatest Hits that sound worse to me that a crying baby on an airplane: "God Only Knows," "In My Room," their massacre of "Sloop John B.," the bridge to "Wouldn't It Be Nice," "I Get Around"
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link
For some reason I want to cut and paste this John Cage thing right now:
When I was growing up in California there were two things that everyone assumed were good for you. There were, of course, others — spinach and oatmeal, for instance — but right now I’m thinking of sunshine and orange juice. When we lived at Ocean Park, I was sent out every morning to the beach where I spent the day building rolly-coasters in the sand, complicated downhill tracks with tunnels and inclines upon which I rolled a small hard rubber ball. Every day toward noon I fainted because the sun was too much for me. When I fainted I didn’t fall down, but I couldn’t see; there were flocks of black spots wherever I looked. I soon learned to find my way in that blindness to a hamburger stand where I’d ask for something to eat. Sitting in the shade, I’d come to. It took me much longer, about thirty-five years in fact, to learn that orange juice was not good for me either.
-http://www.lcdf.org/indeterminacy/
― Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Stop it J0hn, you are shaking the very foundations of my worldview. Srsly.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link
the bridge to "Wouldn't It Be Nice,"
You have no soul.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link
-- St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:26 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
^^ self-parody or... ?
― ian, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 03:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Why would that be self-parody?
P.S. ian, I promise I won't be sad if you stop taking such an intense interest in my comments.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link
The only really indefensible thing in this song is this lyric,
Everybody knows a little place like kokomo.
Everybody? A little place? You imagine the singer as a smug 80s asshole so deep in his Reagonomic bubble that he assumes that literally everybody is living his same globe-trotting cocktail-swilling high life. It really ends the song on a shitty note.
But, eh...the chorus is pretty solid (sounds a lot thinner than I remember though) - hooks aside, I think I'd rather take Roger Miller's "England Swings" as far as the narrow genre of songs that give you vacation-planning advice. As for songs on hit Beach Boys comeback extravaganza Still Cruisin' it's all about the title track, "In My Car," and "Somewhere Near Japan."
(I know there's an ILX thread where someone complains about "England Swings" - I have very distinct memories of it - but fucked if I can find it now...)
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 05:01 (sixteen years ago) link
steve, ian picks on you because you talk about stuff he doesn't understand like how to actually play music.
― chaki, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Really though - I think the objectionable thing about this entire endeavor is the transformation of the "Beach" in the Beach Boys' identity from a sort of plausibly "universal" (ie teenagered) conception of sun, surf, fun, and all that...through the wistful-but-still-adult-reconsideration-of-same ("All Summer Long," "Surf's Up" etc)....to this boomer retiree scenario of "I scored a great deal on a time-share!" Pop doesn't usually track so clearly the disintegration of youthful possibility into crass, compromised consumption. The threat posed by "Kokomo" is that it will ruin all those other, less commodified beaches of yesteryear.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Does this song have any marimbas on it? Gotta have marimbas
― Joe, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't think it does.
It's still difficult to credit that, worldwide, this is the Beach Boys' best-selling single. Bloody Tom Cruise!
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Jammed Cocktail soundtrack for like 6 months after it came out. It was my official chess club music. Probably wouldn't have reached my 1300 rating w/o "Kokomo."
Just thinking of this song gives me a tropical contact high.
― Belles Letterz, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
also really really cant figure out how someone could prefer 'kokomo' to 'wipeout'.
kokomo >>>>> wipeout unless yr talking about the muppet versions
― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
youthe bridge to "Wouldn't It Be Nice havehas no soul
fixed
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I should GTFO this thread, every time I come back to it I get that horrible "but let's taaaaaaalllllk about it" stuck in my head and it's just eww eww eww, imo Richard Carpenter did what Brian Wilson was trying to do about a million times better
that's right, a MILLION
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
eww eww eww, ick ick
― gershy, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link
to this boomer retiree scenario of "I scored a great deal on a time-share!"
The talk The sex Somebody to trust The Audi TT The house on the Vineyard The house on the gulf coast These are the things I miss the most
― jaymc, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
jaymc OTM
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Co-written by Scott McKenzie and John Phillips, so obviously a pension plan was in place somewhere.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Is this what New York is really like?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XZsiY9S4WpI
― Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link
nah its more like Coyote Ugly
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
to counter the J0hn D hate I would just like to say that the Lei'd in Hawaii boot ref'd upthread by naive teen idol is surprisingly great. hilarious rehearsal of "Heroes and Villains" featuring a nasty voiceover of Mike Love making bitter jokes about the song's failure, how inane it is, etc. the other songs are purty (live show recording basically sucks tho)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Even though I disagree with J0hn D and have no clue why he got snippy with me on that DeBarge thread for doing the same thing he's doing here, think about it, y'all: wouldn't it be more fascinating to have a rum and coke with someone who prefers "Kokomo" to "God Only Knows" than with the one billionth replicant who thinks "God Only Knows" is in the running for Greatest Song Ever?
Doctor Casino, your posts here are brilliant! Now I just have to find a way to link them to heternormativity.
Two things I'm too lazy to look up:
1. Is the Kokomo the BBs are singing about a real place? If so, where?
2. Did the song appear on a non-greatest hits BB album at the time? If so, which?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
"fascinating"? I dunno maybe I don't have enough rum n cokes with indie snobs but there are way more people in the general population that know/enjoy Kokoma as opposed to God Only Knows and no most of those people are not fascinating. what kind of contrarian bubble-world bars do you people drink in??
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean if you are ACTUALLy on a beach drinking a girl drink, you're WAY more likely to meet a Kokomo fan than a God Only Knows fan, is all I'm sayin
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
But if you are on a MESSAGE board with a bunch of music nerds and rock critics, you're way more likely to ... oh wait.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
And yet, practically EVERYONE I've met who's called "God Only Knows" one of their favorite songs or whatnot was most decidedly not an indie snob, i all I'm sayin.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
is
really? who are these people?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Paul McCartney?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
life isn't so boring as to have that be fascinating imo
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
(fwiw God Only Knows is not my favorite altho it is the best thing on Pet Sounds and it does have a special resonance. the post-Pet Sounds BB material is actually my favorite period)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link
^^what omar said^^
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
shakey mo what part of "visceral reaction" don't you understand? it has nothing to do with "contrarianism." It has to do with how this crap has sounded to me since I was eight.
"If you don't love this music, you're a contrarian!" go vote Republican with those kinds of values why don'tcha
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Let's just go ahead and lay it out:
Aruba, jamaica ooo I wanna take you Bermuda, bahama come on pretty mama Key largo, montego baby why dont we go Jamaica
Off the florida keys Theres a place called kokomo Thats where you wanna go to get away from it all
Aruba, jamaica ooo I wanna take you To bermuda, bahama come on pretty mama Key largo, montego baby why dont we go
Ooo I wanna take you down to kokomo Well get there fast And then well take it slow Thats where we wanna go Way down to kokomo
To martinique, that monserrat mystique
Well put out to sea And well perfect our chemistry By and by well defy a little bit of gravity
Afternoon delight Cocktails and moonlit nights That dreamy look in your eye Give me a tropical contact high Way down in kokomo
Port au prince I wanna catch a glimpse
Everybody knows A little place like kokomo Now if you wanna go And get away from it all Go down to kokomo
Ooo I wanna take you down to kokomo
― Z S, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
hey J0hn I understand its no big deal - I don't think you're being deliberately contrarian cuz you have some secret aesthetic agenda a la geir or whatever. If you'll read the post I was actually responding to I was arguing that liking Kokomo is actually NOT that contrarian, because it is the BIGGEST SELLING BEACH BOYS SONG OF ALL TIME. Its only considered "contrarian" to like it in music nerd circles - like this one.
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Port, au prince, I wanna catch a glimpse
cue the sax! http://lindaryanfineart.com/art/image_105.gif
― Z S, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link
lol at Geir's "secret" aesthetic agenda
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link
(iow Kevin John Bozelka seems to live in some universe where God Only Knows, and not Kokomo, is THE BIGGEST SELLING BEACH BOYS SONG EVER and I am curious as to what the bars are like there and who drinks in them)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah OK I get you, sorry to snap at you
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
(btw J0hn, which song of yours should I jokingly refer to as a pastiche of "Sloop John B" in order to generate maximum ire?)
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Afternoon delight Cocktails and moonlit nights That dreamy look in your eye Give me a tropical contact high
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is def. the best part
― artdamages, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Well, yes, Sir McCartney and I did discuss this a few weeks ago...
I think you're under the impression that I think "God Only Knows" is more popular than "Kokomo." I never said that. But I've NEVER heard any get all moony about "Kokomo" even if they prefer it to "God Only Knows" (cue J0hn's god-like piece on Warwick). In fact, if pressed, I'd wager that THAt is one of the reasons why J0hn loves it so. And thus, the fascination factor enters.
And come on, dude. It's not like we're talking about Capt. Beefheart and Stereolab here. It's the freakin Beach Boys. You honestly think one needs to be an indie snob to adore "God Only Knows?"
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link