Great record, terrible drummer

don't think he did, and when he did play on stuff, he hated it and was a dick about it (see: argument at the end of notorious byrd brothers bonus tracks)

David Crosby: "Michael, play drums right!"

Buddy miles is boring!

Battles drummer is amazing!

Often i find weak drumming can let down a track even though you dont realise its the drumming. Can make a track drag etc. much like a poor bassline.

"I've always tend to thought that the drumming was a weak link in Blue Oyster Cult (that and too much keyboards on their later records)."

Al Bouchard was a fucking great drummer. I agree with the paranthetical though.

OK, I'll be bonkers and say it.

"Night Train" by James Brown. James is drumming here, and is all over the place, bless him. I mean, it's still a fine track, and it's probably better for having him drumming on it, but hey.

nobody has mentioned "...and justice for all"??

I really like the 8th note feel on Night Train. It's kinda New Orleansy.

nobody has mentioned "...and justice for all"??

This has great drumming wtf?

Were you just watching the Metallica Shreds video, Tracer?

WAHT? The beat on Night Train is great!

the drumming killed that Delia and Gavin LP on DFA...

the steve shelley comments OTM upthread.

Jordan i guess lars hits all the beats (as well he should, i think the whole drum track is massively overdubbed? and he had to "learn it" when they went on tour?) but the tinny, weak-ass spoon-on-sheet-metal sound of all of it has been well documented - i would love to hear a remastered version

Steve Shelley is a great drummer, but I have sometimes thought they would have benefited from a more interesting, out-there drummer.

OTOH maybe he makes them more accessible.

i know, i know, but the sound never really bothered me. i don't really care if the parts are frankensteined together, at some point dude came up with all of those parts and fills and played them, and some of it is really inventive.

don't know if terrible but Ralph Molina

in some of Neil's songs, he is maybe too simple.

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there are so many fucked up posts on this thread i don't even know where to start

Steve Shelley circa 86-92 was the man

but by god did he (they) get boring after that

Is it him or is it the shitty drum SOUND on albums after 92?

metal box

Bob Bert was the master of the metal box.

lightning bolt
boredoms

haha wrong!

i always thought the drive like jehu records could've been even greater with a more pummeling drummer. a guy such as mac mcneilly or zach barocas would've made wonders for their sound, drums on most jehu songs are a bit too pedestrian and mechanical for my liking.

Tim Powles used to bug me a bit.
Makes me wonder how the Church would sound (now) with a punchier drummer.

Probably punchy ain't their point though, right? Yeah.

matt sorum on GNR. uninventive, awful timing, absolutely no swing. hate the guy.

Wow, hard for me to imagine "Yank Crime" being any better, though I guess the drums are the last part of the equation for me with that band (GUITARS!!! > Froberg's voice > tunes > everything else like the drummer). Would love for this band to make another album, which won't happen, but the idea of Mac McNeilly sure is an intriguing one.

Dirty Projectors ffs

imagine a drummer on par with those vicious, quasi virtuosic riffs by reis. a wet dream prob. i love the jehu but i've always felt the drumming was their weakest link (well, that and the fact froberg was a pretty sloppy gtr player but anyway)

I always thought the drums were fine, some cool parts (guy wasn't a BAD drummer, just not particularly special imo). Love Froberg's guitar playing, sloppy or no. Kept them from being too prog or virtuosic, which I think suited the feel of the music extremely well. Some of the rawness makes the band more vital, to me.

Dirty Projectors ffs

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if you mean on the current record, yeah I think it could be a little better, although I like the record a lot and maybe it just didn't need cool drums

Actually I didn't mean the new one, I haven't heard it. I'm more familiar with Bitte Orca but I didn't think the new one would be much different in that respect.

There's no such thing as a great record with a terrible drummer

i like the drummer on bitte orca a lot

so bite me, dorka

This is amazing:

besides, drumming has changed over the years. it's become a bit more minimal. as much as i love keith moon or bonham, would they really sound right backing sufjan stevens, animal collective or the
microphones?

The microphones, truly the Led Zepplin of their day

hahaha how did i miss that post?? Keith Moon's Microphones would have been a barnstormer of a team-up, I would buy that.

Is it him or is it the shitty drum SOUND on albums after 92?

Well, Sister sounds like shit, drum-wise, but again he's all over a lot of those songs.

They just have less rock-out moments after Dirty, I'd say. And even in their wilder moments he's strangely muted.

When SY got relatively 'less' weird, they kept the volume and distortion. When they got rid of both, then what's the point?

Usually it's not an incompetent drummer that'll ruin a possibly great record but a drab one, or poor mic'ing. I've never given The Travelling Wilburys a chance b/c I just can't deal with having a hot unchanging snare -> DA-88 on every offbeat in my ear for half-an-hour

One drummer who would have gone well with Drive Like Jehu would be Orestes Morfin of Bitch Magnet, monster drummer.

Privately I've held that drummers with so-called "bad" time, though possibly insufferable in a live setting, are golden on a recording, speeding shit up and down or whatever like Palmolive, man I love that

XP - Orestes name was the first I thought of reading the Jehu posts too.

Is Steve West (Pavement) considered a poor drummer? I've never had a prob with him, anyone? (I love Gary Young's playing on the early records, but is he technically good? No clue here)

Whiney's right, there's no such thing as a great record with a terrible drummer.

In my opinion, Gary Young was a phenomenal drummer with decades of experience.

Steve West, in comparison, was a far lesser talent, with an inability to keep proper time or vary from that "shuffle" he always resorted to.

Again, this is merely my opinion. I loved these guys, and truly enjoyed that the always gave mad props to the Garden State.

uhhh as someone pretty new to this forum was everybody just devoted to incoherent contrarian stances back then??