― Paul, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Bonus exercise for critic types: compare the Archie Bell and the Drells track produced by Gamble and Huff with Bell and Co.'s Atlantic classic "Tighten Up." Discuss.
― Lee G, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― M Matos, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I've seen a nice connoisseur's Philly comp done by Norman Jay which I will probably get, but what else is there around at the moment? Is the box set still available?
(I do have all this stuff scattered about on vinyl, but, y'know, it would be nice to have it all in one place...)
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 30 January 2004 12:03 (twenty years ago) link
As others have said, I'd have to go with Motown for consistent quality, but I prefer the sound of Philly (TSOP!).
What about 70s Motown though? Amazing stuff: Stevie, Marvin, The Temptations with Norman Whitfield, The Supremes without Diana Ross (Up The Ladder To The Roof, Stoned Love, Automatically Sunshine), The Jackson Five, early Commodores, "Walk In The Night" by Jr. Walker
― LondonLee (LondonLee), Friday, 30 January 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago) link
Motown, at least for a while (and together with the British beat acts on "the other side"), helped blur the difference between "white" and "black" music, which was a good idea and should have continued into the 70s and 80s.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 30 January 2004 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link
― jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago) link
matos OTM -- i'm unaware of any thom bell comps, sorry marcello.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 2 February 2004 07:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Monday, 2 February 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 2 February 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago) link
― LondonLee (LondonLee), Monday, 2 February 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 2 February 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
(Benny Benjamin was no slouch either.)
― Myonga Von Bontee, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 10:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 11:00 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
Eisbar - i rather suspect that Geir's sole awareness of Philly soul would be the more MOR stuff the Stylistics did with Hugo & Luigi which was big in Britain but not the US - he probably likes "Na Na Is The Saddest Word" because it has a "classically European arrangement" (actually, i rather like that arrangement as well, but not because it's "classically European", just because it *works*). or maybe Elton's collaborations with Thom Bell, which i also like, but *you know* ...
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago) link
― LondonLee (LondonLee), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link
(sorry everyone, continue thread normality)
x-post
oh great more fucking cock
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago) link
the 70s disco age was the darkest age of music after The Beatles.
― the 70s disco age was the darkest age of music after The Beatles., Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link
"so-called jazz compositions must contain at most 10% syncopation" (Nazis' instruction to Czech dance bands during their occupation)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link
your phraseology reminds me of Enid Blyton saying that somebody's nose was "over-long" in a book written during the Second World War (with its obvious overtones of the British aristocratic interest in eugenics)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:33 (twenty years ago) link
(Marcello, the phrase "underemployed Norwegian imbecile" is so matter-of-fact and dead-on and really rude all at once it cracks me up something fierce. nice one.)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:33 (twenty years ago) link
― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:51 (twenty years ago) link
marcello i started a thom bell vs gamble and huff thread which might have stuff for you on it
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link
How many number one hits did Motown have?How many number one hits did Philly have?
I think you have to take that into consideration too when you look at the number of compilations etc...
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link
GET OFF THIS FUCKING THREAD. SHUT UP. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR WORTHLESS OPINIONS OR YOUR WORTHLESS LIFE.
GOT IT?
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
During that time, Motown artists like Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye were getting away from Motown model of producer/artist and making the calls themselves.
What Gamble and Huff were trying to do was completely based upon how Motown was run, but they had their own production sound, which many producers of that period seemed to emulate. Bowie even tried to channel their sound somewhat on "Young Americans", which says how influential their sound became.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 13:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
Carlin, in case you haven't bothered to read the top fifteen or so posts, this is NOT YOUR THREAD. People are perfectly entitled to talk about stuff unrelated to your question, even if they are talking complete nonsense. Fuck's sake...
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link
(maybe only I get this joke)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
Anyhow, Philly soul (great btw) gave way to 'disco' (not good, as in bee gees/whitebread stuff). That was what was bad. 'disco' eventually gave way to idunno better stuff.
FWIW, i never liked chic/beegees/etc, but things got better. oh yes they did.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/images/29/r33.jpg
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
is it because i attacked him?
one law for carlin, another law for everybody else on ilx part 2450.
you people would probably come out in favour of paedophilia if i attacked it.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
so let's get rid of this relativism. hongro is a stinking racist piece of shit who, if the moderators had any guts at all, would long have been banned from these boards.
his mother should have had an abortion rather than make us suffer.
in future when i ask a question on ilm or ilx i expect relevant answers. if you can't give them, keep your shit to yourself.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago) link
in what way do we suffer, really?
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link
I'm not defending him.
I'm just finding it weird like a mondo film.
― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
The sad answer to your question AFAIK Marcello is "apart from the one Matos mentioned there aren't any good ones in the UK", the fashion in soul and disco reissues seems to cycle along with the fashion in pop reissues, so it's all 80s soul weekender stuff now and no love for Philly. It's hard to find on soulseek too :(
Xpost: if you want Geir to be banned ask on the Mods board Marcello. As it stands I don't think anything he does merits banning - he has some spectacularly wrong-headed ideas which he debates politely and without flaming or threatening other people. It's also not as if he's the thin end of any unpleasant wedge or is corrupting the hearts and minds of ILM - everyone disagrees with him all the time.
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― omg, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link
I ch-ch-choose THE SOUND OF PHILADELPHIA - those strings get me every time.
― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
http://citypaper.net/articles/2003-08-07/cover.shtml
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link
― omg, Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 30 December 2005 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link
After four decades of lying dormant, a collection of unproduced tracks from the defunct Philly Groove label may one day find its way onto your playlist thanks to a partnership between Drexel and New York music publisher Reservoir.
http://drexelmagazine.org/2015/07/drexel-helps-long-gone-music-label-get-its-groove-back/
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 10 July 2015 12:20 (nine years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/arts/music/joe-tarsia-dead.html
RIP Joe Tarsia engineer at his own Sigma studio in Philadelphia who worked on many a Philly soul record in the 70s
― curmudgeon, Monday, 14 November 2022 16:50 (one year ago) link