The Breeders - Classic or Dud?

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also Title TK one of Albini's shittiest sound jobs

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 13 July 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"recorded all wave" yeah big deal, Deal

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 13 July 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Kim Deal only hot because she plays an instrument and has a great voice? Let's face it...without those two things, she looks like a long-haul truck driver.

Breeders = Classic up to (and, on the right day, including) Title TK.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

there is no hope for some people.

di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

my apologies andrew, i'm sure you have *really* sophisticated taste in women.

di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

pod was genius, been pretty hopeless since.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Kim Deal rocks the femme rocker casbah.

The Breeders = major, major classic. Many of my fondest adolescent memories were soundtracked by The Breeders' music. Plus, Kim Deal has the most brilliant sense of humor. I saw her on the cable access program "The Hondo Show" recreating a scene out of Showgirls with one of her Amps bandmates and the host of the program. The fact that I can still remember this about four years after I saw it first is a testament to how memorable the scene was/is.

And Title TK needed to be in the Top 40, damn it.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"Cannonball" was probably the best most unexpected single to come out of thee grunge years (closest thing I can think of = the Slits' "I Heard In Through The Grapevine").

Ess Kay (esskay), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the Breeders. Reminds me of my care-free 9th-grade days when I hung out mainly with 5 chicks who were all 3 to 6 years older than me and would buy smokes and booze for me. Also, Whipsmart by Liz Phair, did a lot of listening to that back then. A year later I met the Funkey Monkey Records/Helltime Productions guys (Mike Siciliano and Frank Fornsaglio, now in Pittsburgh rock band Stilyagi), started a band with them, alienated any female persons that I knew by adopting their Lee Vingesque anti-PC/anti-everything approach and had the best time of my life by discarding and demoralizing anything anyone I knew ever held of any importance besides the rock and the roll. Now I'm a lame married guy. Ha.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Pod, along with most of Last Splash, is stone cold classic WITHOUT QUESTION, MONSIEUR! And a girl I used to date made out with Kelly Deal in front of me. This of course meaning I've tasted Kelly...OH YEAAAAA!!! *does quirky dance*

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

KNOWWHARRAMASAYIN'?

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

She does look like a truck driver, in the best possible way. 'Title TK' is great, just no big major blah THING. And good for it. And they were great live. AND their bassplayer's called Mondo (by Kelley, anyway)

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I enjoyed Title TK a hell of a lot. And not simply because the opening track is called "Little Fury." ;) I think people were too damn eager to write it off. There are some great great songs on that album, "Huffer" in particular.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Sunday, 13 July 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the production/recording a lot, too, though it took a while to get into it.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 July 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic, its all about Josephine wiggs.
Apropos of nothing really...but have you ever seen Josephine Wiggs and Robert Smith at the same place at the same time?
Neither Have I.
Look at the photos below. Make up your own mind if something suspicious is going on or not.
http://www.chaoscontrol.com/current/dustytrails/cover.jpg
http://www.abc.es/festivales/reportajes/FIB2002/images/Cure.jpg
or this pair...
http://www.noaloha.com/breeders/pictures/press/tn/volume_05.jpg
http://www.laganzua.net/discos/discos4/imagenes/thecure.jpg
are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 13 July 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes: Robert Smith is really Josephine Wiggs with her hair messed up.
< /THREAD HIJACK >

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 13 July 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

classic. Title TK is nowhere as good on a pop level, but Steve Albini's work makes Deal's voice truly astonishing. It's like a documentary that's so fascinating you're indifferent to its value as a work of art. I think there's filler on everything she's done, but they're all rewarding albums. Kelley Deal's solo stuff has some similar appeal.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i think title tk was overlooked by most. it's not a classic as pod, but it stands out as a great rock album.

lord custos, are you on crack?

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 14 July 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

am I the only one who likes them more than the Pixies?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 14 July 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it because you like girls more than boys?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 July 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean I can't really seperate them, even after 15 or however many years it is. It's probably a great pity Kim's role in the Pixies was limited to bass/very occasional writing/fantastic (never sucky) backup singing.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 July 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

CLASSIC.
title tk was a bit eh.
POD is so classic, i want cut off my arms and waive them around until the windows are pink.
kelly is uber sweet- buy her a beer & get her talking about efx/pedals/guitars.

kephm, Monday, 14 July 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Based on the show Chris Barrus and I caught a couple of months back, they very much still have it, so long may they rock, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Pod - brilliance.

Last Splash - my CD's been played so much it's gone all quiet and muffled and basically fucked (I didn't even know this was possible but...there you go), loveit loveit loveit even though "Cannonball" was for years the most overplayed indie club tune EVAH and - for shame - ended up immediately preceding my departure from whichever club on the grounds that "if the DJ's still playing that...sheesh" etc.

Title TK stands up well with the above, agreed, but I've perhaps not given it the exhaustive attention it deserves. Hmmm.

Anyway. Breeders=brilliant, Jo Wiggs was always my favourite but now she's disappeared (anyone remember Honey Tongue? Aces). Is she related to Pete?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What exactly is classic about Pod? It's a decent album and all, but it sounds really quite slight to me. I just can't imagine loving it.

Title TK is pretty good as well. But Last Splash fucking rocked like a monster when I was in middle school and still does so when I listen to it now. I listen to it a lot now.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

But Last Splash fucking rocked like a monster when I was in middle school

Good God I am old.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll get yer Metamucil. We can be like those two old guys in I'm Not Rappaport.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Pod was better.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

POD is so classic, i want cut off my arms and waive them around until the windows are pink.

How exactly are you going to wave them if they're already cut off?

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Based on the show Chris Barrus and I caught a couple of months back, they very much still have it, so long may they rock, etc.

I'll bet Ned started crying and gnashing his teeth when they played the theme to Buffy though!

Lars (Nicole), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The hell?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

What exactly is classic about Pod? It's a decent album and all, but it sounds really quite slight to me. I just can't imagine loving it.
Title TK is pretty good as well. But Last Splash fucking rocked like a monster when I was in middle school and still does so when I listen to it now. I listen to it a lot now.

-- Tom Breihan (lazerbee...), July 14th, 2003

Well, I think I know what your problem might be. Them ol' pair of ears need some quick replacing, gramps! :)

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

++POD is so classic, i want cut off my arms and waive them around until the windows are pink.

"How exactly are you going to wave them if they're already cut off? "
--My name is Kenny


SH*t you're kidding right?

KING KONG, Monday, 14 July 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

what about the amps? everybody slogs the amps! pod is great.
last splash is a perfect summreday soundtrack. i went right out and bought title tk, some tree and a six pack on a hot summers afternoon in brooklyn and sweated thru the damn disk. geeze. what a fucking drag. it took ten years to sound like this? npr is more fun. the next day i went up to the little record shop in parkslope and traded it in for a used copy of last splash and three bucks- got a quart of beer and sat on the fire escape and relived the splendid sunshine of the summer that it came out.
ten damn years ago when i lived in the country and things were so much simpler....

kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I think I know what your problem might be. Them ol' pair of ears need some quick replacing, gramps! :)

-- Francis Watlington (peppermintsmok...), July 14th, 2003.

No! Dude! I get to make fun of you for being old! That's how it works! Nobody gets to make fun of me for being young! Don't make me fuck you up with my Nerf dart gun!

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The hell?

They've been playing it at most of their recent live shows, I wasn't saying it for the sake of being random.

Lars (Nicole), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

pod- great
safari - great
last splash - great & personal-top-five-easy
amps - great
title tk - eh
breeders singles - great, esp josephine singing, like "lord of the thighs" & "900"
j wiggs experience - great and criminally overlooked
dusty trails - great except for emmylou harris song
kelley deal 6000 - need to reinvestigate, not positive memories

(and yes i like the breeders way more than the pixies)

(btw the amg is a little messed up for kelley deal. boom boom boom doesn't show up under 'kelley deal 6000' but does under 'kelley deal')

ron (ron), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

They've been playing it at most of their recent live shows, I wasn't saying it for the sake of being random.

I remember a cover of "The Angry Inch" from Hedwig, which is far cooler on several levels. Or so I deem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They also made a cameo appearance on Buffy too. They played @ The Bronze in that episode about that kid w/the magic letterman jacket.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The Amps album is funny in that I hardly remember too many tracks, but I'm more likely to listen to multiple times in a row than most albums I own.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I declare the Buffy theme far cooler! Buffy episodes have endings, I LOVE endings. And they played it down here, it was a great great moment

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What's this about the Pixies reforming? Thought I saw something on Pitchfork ...

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

someone told me about it last weekend, yes.
i don't think it would be a good idea. keep the beautiful corpse intact etc.

joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic

Fortunately Gone

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Since I snarked on Kim in the Pixies reunion thread, I thought I'd pay penance here and say: small-c classic. I can't say they're one of the greats of rock 'n' roll, but every album Kim Deal has played on has had its share of ragged, quietly unassuming, but brilliant pop songs. Yes, that includes the Amps album (Those hoarse screams on "Tipp City"! Those not-quite-on-the-beat drums on "Hoverin"! "Dedicated", for crissake!!) and Title TK (ever listened to it back-to-back with Pod? No? I think you'd be pleasantly surprised if you did).

Not picking sides in the Breeders-Pixies fight— they're both solid bands.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

am I the only one who likes them more than the Pixies?

No you're not.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
"When Iris sleeps over...

...what a book she'll WRIIIIIiiiIIIIIiiiiTTTTE!"

I'm on the verge of proclaiming the Black Sessions 1993 show they did one of the greatest live albums never released as such.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

I usually think the Breeders are overrated. But if someone were to put on an album of them right now I think I'd probably smile and be pleased as punch.

I don't know of that live album at all.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

i miss kim deal.

the orchid and the wasp (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah! WTF? She was the one who wrote that amazing song the Pixies came back with. What was it called? The really amazing one...won't come to me now. Keep thinking about spiders lately. It's very distracting.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuR-wL5sh_M

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:55 (two years ago)

Worth mentioning that violinist Carrie Bradley in above video of ERQ playing in Oakland was originally a member of (pre-Pod) The Breeders and then again sporadically throughout the 90s.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 21:00 (two years ago)

Also when covering "Drivin' On 9" there was no shoutout to Dom Leone who wrote the song and lived in SF most of the 90s/00s.


Sorry wut? Is this widely known info? Is this the same person who used to post here?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 23:38 (two years ago)

how does webmail work

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 00:11 (two years ago)

LL, no:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed%27s_Redeeming_Qualities

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:13 (two years ago)

figured it out!

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:13 (two years ago)

Thank you SS

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:15 (two years ago)

i tried looking for a thread, but Ed's Redeeming Qualities is great. Breeders could've made a new American songbook digging through their works.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 28 October 2023 05:47 (two years ago)

Cow_Art check yr webmail, you should be receiving the zine soon if you haven't already

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:47 (two years ago)

honestly we should change the name of this thread because "dud" is not an option.

alpine static, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:09 (two years ago)

i have been on a Breeders kick because I never listened to any of the post Last-Splash albums. Enjoying it IMMENSELY.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:36 (two years ago)

I still put on All Nerve a lot, it's a good morning album!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:48 (two years ago)

All the post Last Splash catalog is great but I love love love Title TK

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:58 (two years ago)

The only bummer about the classic lineup getting back together is that it makes Title TK and Mountain Battles seem lesser, which is not the case.

I got the zine!!! Thanks a million! How do I check my webmail?

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:05 (two years ago)

Title TK was a revelation. Ive gone back to it several times. Love the nonsense lyrics and meaty sound. Listening to Mountain Battles after it made me realize that Kim Deal will make a cool sounding song out of basically anything.

Has anyone seen the iguana???

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:39 (two years ago)

How do I check my webmail?

login to the email account that you use to login to your ILX profile

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:41 (two years ago)

xpost Kim has a real knack for surreal turns of phrase. I think about the line "I need spit/to crush these beetles on my lips" from "Skinhead#2" on All Nerve all the time

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:52 (two years ago)

Here's a challop: the only Breeders album I don't play often is Pod.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 17:00 (two years ago)

I’d love the zine, please

beamish13, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 19:05 (two years ago)

Oh. So webmail means the email goes to my regular email account?

If that’s the case, I have no emails pertaining to the Breeders Digest.

But I have an address and I know how much it cost, so I think we’re good.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 19:32 (two years ago)

Here's a challop: the only Breeders album I don't play often is Pod.

― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 17:00 (yesterday) link

It's funny that with the In Utero anniversary and the attendant discourse all the stuff about how them wanting to work with Albini becuz of Sufer Rosa, which I am not discounting, but I haven't seen any mention of Pod which at the time seemed, and listening to both records recently, to be a pretty obv sonic template, I mean "Happiness is a Warm Gun" sounds exactly like something on In Utero

Every time I listen to the Amps record I think "oh I don't really remember this record" and the second it starts I realize I have it memorized

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 2 November 2023 13:13 (two years ago)

first song on the Amps record has been one of my go-to random out-of-nowhere just-start-singing-out-of-thin-air melodies for 30 years

"now i'd liiiike to get back..."

alpine static, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:13 (two years ago)

In "Tipp City" I thought I was mishearing this but she really does sing "I have relations with anonymous internet nation", which feels both of the times and truly prophetic

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:54 (two years ago)

seven months pass...

"Unplugged" mini-set in the coastal redwoods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcFS92RAnYk

Do You Love Me Now?
Divine Hammer
Invisible Man
Drivin' On 9

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 20:57 (one year ago)

God I am so sick of Last Splash being the only Breeders album.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 23:56 (one year ago)

that was completely sublime. ty, SS for sharing

gneiss, gneiss, very gneiss (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 00:11 (one year ago)

sorry, should have said that!

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 00:32 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

https://www.kimdealmusic.com/

Cow_Art, Monday, 15 July 2024 14:55 (one year ago)

New solo single from Kim!

Cow_Art, Monday, 15 July 2024 14:55 (one year ago)

So good, feelin' a little Blondie ("Sunday Girl") in the verses.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Monday, 15 July 2024 17:14 (one year ago)

I’m at work, it’s killing me that I can’t hear this now. Kim is the best.

Cow_Art, Monday, 15 July 2024 17:17 (one year ago)

wonder if there's any chance this means a solo album is coming?

alpine static, Monday, 15 July 2024 17:27 (one year ago)

from reddit:

Around March of last year, Kim delivered a solo album to 4AD

Many presumed it would be a collection of all of her solo singles, as well as the unreleased single 'Nobody Loves You More'

However, recently Kyle Rector (long time friend of the band, who runs their social media and merch store) shared that the album will consist of entirely new songs, aside from two songs from the solo series, which have been re-recorded.

It's sounding like the album will come out this year, exciting stuff!

Edit:

A new song called "Coast" was released today (June 15)!

Some info taken from 4AD's website:

‘Coast’ was written in 2020 after being at her friend Mike Montgomery’s wedding when the house band, The Grape Whizzers, jammed Jimmy Buffett’s 1977 ‘Margaritaville’ with “revelatory levels of low self-esteem.” But the song’s roots reach back as far as 2000, when Kim was staying on the Massachusetts island of Nantucket. An unlikely retreat for the Ohio native (“I hate the sun, beach and watersports,”), she spent a rough off-season where young workers “check the WAM” for surfing conditions.

‘Coast’ was recorded by Steve Albini at his Electrical Audio studio in Chicago. Lindsay Glover and Breeders alum Mando Lopez are the song’s rhythm section, Kim’s sister Kelley plays guitar and horns are by Chicago marching band Mucca Pazza.

The two solo songs that have been recorded are rumoured to be Are You Mine and Wish I Was. The new song "Disobedience" played at the recent Breeders shows is also rumoured to be on the album.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Monday, 15 July 2024 17:36 (one year ago)

Glad to hear that “Are You Mine” will get a wider airing. That’s a Top 10 Ever KD tune.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 July 2024 19:06 (one year ago)

yeah, that one is incredible — not sure how she'll top the original recording!

new song sounds very nice.

tylerw, Monday, 15 July 2024 19:12 (one year ago)

Oh man, this is pretty nice. The song feels slight but the sound of it is so warm and direct, it's a good change for her. Kim's voice is so lovely, it's fun to see it in a different setting.

Is this the first time Kim has had horns on a song? It's definitely got me stoked for the album.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 13:21 (one year ago)

Really into this.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 July 2024 21:25 (one year ago)

two months pass...

next single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpqLQIoivAY

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Monday, 7 October 2024 22:46 (one year ago)

one year passes...

Wish I ever had a use for a scarf so I could wear a Kelley Deal original.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Thursday, 9 October 2025 01:11 (seven months ago)

https://kelleydeal.bigcartel.com/

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Thursday, 9 October 2025 01:12 (seven months ago)


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