― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 July 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― b.R.A.d. (Brad), Thursday, 10 July 2003 10:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
Incidentally, the "dead-head sticker on a Cadillac" line totally perplexed me until recently when I found a site which said that it is a reference to the Grateful Dead, whose fans are called Dead-Heads. I must admit I still don't understand how it fits in with the rest of the song, but at least it takes away some of the mystery, as I had previously thought "dead head" was just a horticultural term ("I'm going to dead-head the roses").
― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
He was also pissed nobody recognized him. Aging, drugs, and balding haven't been too kind to the man, let me tell you...
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Custos wins.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
When I started in the music business, music was important and vital to our culture. Artists connected with their fans. Record labels signed cutting-edge artists, and FM radio offered an incredible variety of music. Music touched fans in a unique and personal way. Our culture was enriched and the music business was healthy and strong.
That's all changed.
Today the music business is in crisis. Sales have decreased between 20 and 30 percent over the past three years. Record labels are suing children for using unauthorized peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing systems. Only a few artists ever hear their music on the radio, yet radio networks are battling Congress over ownership restrictions. Independent music stores are closing at an unprecedented pace. And the artists seem to be at odds with just about everyone -- even the fans.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, the root problem is not the artists, the fans or even new Internet technology. The problem is the music industry itself. It's systemic. The industry, which was once composed of hundreds of big and small record labels, is now controlled by just a handful of unregulated, multinational corporations determined to continue their mad rush toward further consolidation and merger. Sony and BMG announced their agreement to merge in November, and EMI and Time Warner may not be far behind. The industry may soon be dominated by only three multinational corporations.
The executives who run these corporations believe that music is solely a commodity. Unlike their predecessors, they fail to recognize that music is as much a vital art form and social barometer as it is a way to make a profit. At one time artists actually developed meaningful, even if strained, relationships with their record labels. This was possible because labels were relatively small and accessible, and they had an incentive to join with the artists in marketing their music. Today such a relationship is practically impossible for most artists.
Labels no longer take risks by signing unique and important new artists, nor do they become partners with artists in the creation and promotion of the music. After the music is created, the artist's connection with it is minimized and in some instances is nonexistent. In their world, music is generic. A major record label president confirmed this recently when he referred to artists as "content providers." Would a major label sign Johnny Cash today? I doubt it.
Radio stations used to be local and diverse. Deejays programmed their own shows and developed close relationships with artists. Today radio stations are centrally programmed by their corporate owners, and airplay is essentially bought rather than earned. The floodgates have opened for corporations to buy an almost unlimited number of radio stations, as well as concert venues and agencies. The delicate balance between artists and radio networks has been dramatically altered; networks can now, and often do, exert unprecedented pressure on artists. Whatever connection the artists had with their music on the airwaves is almost totally gone.
Music stores used to be magical places offering wide variety. Today the three largest music retailers are Best Buy, Wal-Mart and Target. In those stores shelf space is limited, making it harder for new artists to emerge. Even established artists are troubled by stores using music as a loss leader. Smaller, more personalized record stores are closing all over the country -- some because of rampant P2P piracy but many others because of competition from department stores that traditionally have no connection whatsoever with artists.
Piracy is perhaps the most emotionally gut-wrenching problem facing artists. Artists like the idea of a new and better business model for the industry, but they cannot accept a business model that uses their music without authority or compensation. Suing kids is not what artists want, but many of them feel betrayed by fans who claim to love artists but still want their music free.
The music industry must also take a large amount of blame for this piracy. Not only did the industry not address the issue sooner, it provided the P2P users with a convenient scapegoat. Many kids rationalize their P2P habit by pointing out that only record labels are hurt -- that the labels don't pay the artists anyway. This is clearly wrong, because artists are at the bottom of the food chain. They are the ones hit hardest when sales take a nosedive and when the labels cut back on promotion, on signing new artists and on keeping artists with potential. Artists are clearly affected, yet because many perceive the music business as being dominated by rich multinational corporations, the pain felt by the artist has no public face.
Artists are finally realizing their predicament is no different from that of any other group with common economic and political interests. They can no longer just hope for change; they must fight for it. Washington is where artists must go to plead their case and find answers.
So whether they are fighting against media and radio consolidation, fighting for fair recording contracts and corporate responsibility, or demanding that labels treat artists as partners and not as employees, the core message is the same: The artist must be allowed to join with the labels and must be treated in a fair and respectful manner. If the labels are not willing to voluntarily implement these changes, then the artists have no choice but to seek legislative and judicial solutions. Simply put, artists must regain control, as much as possible, over their music.
The writer is a singer and drummer with the Eagles and a founding member of the Recording Artists' Coalition.
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― william (william), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
so much better than "new kid in town" or "take it to the limit" or "i can't tell you why"? i'm not so sure about that.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link
Why did critics always describe "End of the Innocence" as "intelligent"? I hated that song so much in Grade 5.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh wait, maybe that actually goes with the "Don't look back, you can never look back" part.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link
the solo songs you mentioned sound to me neither better nor worse than the typical eagles song; they sound exactly like eagles songs.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link
And I really like The Eagles
Glenn Frey totally sucks though
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link
What's the consensus on "Heart of the Matter"? I though that was a good song when I was like 10. Should I download it or will I be disappointed?
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― keefy, Monday, 15 May 2006 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bimble, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bimble, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― SusanD, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― filthy dylan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― billstevejim, Saturday, 5 May 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bimble, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― gershy, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 5 May 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link
Irving Azoff threatened to break their knees iirc
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:07 (one year ago) link
This photo is a pretty good litmus test for politics: do you regard these men with respect, or disgust? pic.twitter.com/i449hrbnzD— haulin’ boss crude (@bosscrood) November 21, 2022
"We Saw You From Across The Bar And Really Dig Your Vibe...Would You Like A Drink?"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:12 (one year ago) link
"Come join us at your local Big Daddy's!"
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:14 (one year ago) link
Drink your big black cow
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:15 (one year ago) link
Well, Hey 19
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:18 (one year ago) link
Dave’s on Canal st
― calstars, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link
I think you know what I mean
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link
Fagen giving out some “just on a weekend fishing trip on the lake with my pal Don” vibes imo
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:27 (one year ago) link
What are the odds that Donald knows how to swim
― calstars, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:30 (one year ago) link
I'd learn to swim if I shared a rowboat with Don Henley
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link
We haven't had that spirit here since 1979
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 December 2022 01:43 (one year ago) link
Warm smell of Sunny D rising up through the air
― calstars, Friday, 9 December 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link
"We found a body."
― The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Friday, 9 December 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link
if Don Henley fell in the woods, would he make a sound, and if so, would he record it, and if so, would you listen to it
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 December 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link
He would probably smell like colitas
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 December 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link
The Walden Woods
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 9 December 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
Holy fuck, that horn section play out on “Sunset Grill” is completely ridiculous. Is that Emulator or the real thing? Guilty pleasure song, tho.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 December 2022 22:58 (one year ago) link
Also: Party Smyth’s ace chorus harmony, Pino Palladino’s burping fretless and the rolling Linndrum beat (credited to—checks notes—no one) while Don moans about working girls, “basket people” and auburn skies make “Sunset Grill” peak Henley. In general I’d say the rolling Linndrum songs are the best things on this album by a mile. It would appear that Danny Kortchmar’s contributions are the worst.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link
Don’t be fooled: “sunset grill” sucks
― calstars, Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link
I know he meant it compassionately but is there a better encapsulation of Henley's putrid us-vs-them ethos than this bit:
Maybe we'll leave come springtimeMeanwhile, have another beerWhat would we do without all these jerks anyway?Besides, all our friends are here
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:49 (one year ago) link
It sounds like a commercial for a competitor of Sizzler or Applebees
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 15 December 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
TGI Henley’s
― calstars, Friday, 16 December 2022 00:08 (one year ago) link
You can check out the potato skins anytime you want but
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 00:12 (one year ago) link
"I'll have a Henley Burger with a side of Glenn Fries and a large Coke."
"Do you want to Full Monster that combo for an extra dollar?"
"Well, yeah."
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 December 2022 00:40 (one year ago) link
The Footlong Run
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 16 December 2022 01:01 (one year ago) link
lol @ Glenn Fries
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 01:05 (one year ago) link
"give me the 2 piece chicken"
"Felder leg or Felder thigh?"
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 December 2022 01:41 (one year ago) link
Fingers please
― Florin Cuchares, Friday, 16 December 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link
gotta have something to Walsh it down with
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 December 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link
"Someone place an order...?"
https://i.imgur.com/8iPrNJR.jpg
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 02:11 (one year ago) link
Witchy woman sauce = creamy balsamic peppercorn
― calstars, Friday, 16 December 2022 02:20 (one year ago) link
Timothy B. Schakes
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 December 2022 02:29 (one year ago) link
Building the Perfect (Chicken) Breast
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 December 2022 13:11 (one year ago) link
I'm thinking of ordering the Desperadonuts(TM). They bake them to the limit.
There's gonna be some heartburn tonight, I know.
― Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 December 2022 13:16 (one year ago) link
LMAO
Maybe they can start a chain of The Sad Café's while they're at it.
― birdistheword, Friday, 16 December 2022 15:27 (one year ago) link
The Best of My Grub
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 December 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link
order the New York Minute omelette, where what you get isn't what you ordered
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 December 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
you guys gave up on this shit too fast!
this thread motivated me to listen to Building… in total for the first time: in 85, the AOR station in Louisville played the SHIT out of "Sunset Grill," "Drivin' with your eyes Closed" and ""Not Enuff Love…" alongside the two legit hits, and so it was interesting to hear the other shit…
1.) on a bunch of cuts, he's singing way way way too high, straining his ability to hit the notes, 2.) it's very surprising that he had no hand in the writing for "All She Wants to Do is Dance" and it's all Kootch; one would think the conceit of trenchant geopolitical satire framed through criticizing women for enjoying dancing couldn't be more Henley…
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 15:50 (one year ago) link
he sounds almost queeny when he barks the line "That don't keep the boys from makin' a buck or two."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 16:42 (one year ago) link
My grandson, he comes home from collegeHe says, "We get the government we deserve"My son-in-law just shakes his head and says, "That little punk, he never had to serve"
Then at 2:30 Randy Newman comes up with a solo that's even more strained and less convincing.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 21:28 (one year ago) link