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Wrong. They both made plenty of songs worse than, say, "Kryptonite."

I meant: "...all the theoretical morons who do (have a use for etc.)..."

Like, when is that awful John Wayne Gacy song by Soofjam going to show up? PASTE'S #1 HAS OUR FIFTH WORST SONG ON IT.

Wrong. They both made plenty of songs worse than, say, "Kryptonite."

hahaha no they didn't, come on

I think any Worst Of... list has to be a good amount of challops by default, anyway. If you're not going to say anything interesting about something be the worst of something, what's the point?

(Anyway, if not those artists I named specifically, then artists "like" them. My point is that not all of a decade's worst music is made by bands and singers that people "in the know" already hate. Though, like dabug said, maybe the more interesting picks are coming up later.)

That sentence almost makes sense. Oh well. Anyway, I think it's a lot harder to dislike stuff than to like or ignore it (we tend to ignore stuff we don't generally like), so to truly be the worst, it has to be kind of special and, by definition, a bit more idiosyncratic than "bests" tend to be.

(Well, I tend to ignore stuff I don't generally like, but I don't spend a ton of time consciously hating on music; not worth my time for the most part.)

xhuxk otm. And let's retire "challops" already, unless you really believe that any opinion that deviates from bs consensus is bad faith contrarianism.

Well, lots of times the stuff we hate most is stuff that other people stupidly think is great. (And if that necessitates "challops", so what?

bad faith contrarianism

Does challops really suggest "bad faith"? I know it can, but I always just saw it as just-plain-contrarianism, if obvious.

i thought this was supposed to be a fun thing where we all lol'd @ retarded youtubes for a couple weeks

Though I did lose a friend to BrokeNCYDE. He listened to "Bree Bree" about fifty times trying to figure out why it exists and now likes it.

I was almost this guy, but caught myself at the point of "hey this actually kinda neWOAH."

I think the Heidi Montag one is alright! Shit! Smash Mouth one is pretty evil, though.

Naw, too many words of analysis for that.

xpost

I don't think you can actually argue that everyone "in the know" hates all of the songs they've listed so far (the biggest exception being the James Blunt song, actually).

I assume more high-profile songs are coming up but I am mostly enjoying this list as a "what exactly were these people thinking" exercise; even if it continues trawling through a whole bunch of easy targets, the writing is making me laugh, so as far as I'm concerned it's successful.

think you can actually argue that everyone "in the know" hates all of the songs they've listed so far

Yeah, that's probably true -- They don't know most of these specific songs, so how can they hate them? What I meant is that I think Idolator's audience is predisposed to hate most of these sorts of songs, when I wish there were more choices that would actively make that audience question what they already like.

Which is what, though?

The Sufjan Stevens John Wayne Gacy Song!

I mean, just BLEAH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otx49Ko3fxw

If anyone accused me of liking that piece of crap I would sue for defamation.

Gee, shucks, guys, have you ever really tried to understand the serial killer? It takes you to dark places, as can be evidenced by the little defeated sigh I give out at the end of the song. It's really difficult for me to sing for people, I'm so happy to be able to share it with such a special audience.

I would sort of assume by default that the target Idolator audience has been actively avoiding Sufjan Stevens for years.

God, every one of you is just...so...special. Poor John Wayne Gacy, he didn't have the specialness that we have. (Ew, never even realized how he overpronounces "behavior," like he wants to hear it as "behaviour.")

xpost, nah, that's where Sufjan Stevens fans go to feel "broad."

really i'm in this more for the potential lol write-ups than a definitive & rightfully ordered list of the worst songs of the 00s. whiney's picks have brought out a lot of good & funny writing from him & i'd imagine that that would be a lot harder if he was taking on a bob dylan album track.

what Jordan said, really. Also is John Wayne Gacy Jr. the one where he cries in the van? that is so twee and pathetic that just thinking about it makes me want to throw up. how i still like that album when everything i ever think about it makes me want to hate it, i'll never know.

oh wait, that is 'Chicago'. JWG Jr. sucks though and most probably should make the list.

lol ppl are now hating on indie rock itt chuck's goal is achieved

the problem w/ tv on the radio, from my perspective, & same with radiohead, is that they are boring. this list is far more interesting when the songs are provocatively bad, where they actually evince a strong reaction. kneejerk indie hating would be really fucking boring

boring song = boring discussion. why even throw MORE attention to those bands, anyway>

i for one am hoping for a dylan list-topper and TROTR runner-up just so they can reuse this image

http://gothamist.com/attachments/arts_jeff/pnj.jpg

lolz.

problem w/ tv on the radio, from my perspective, & same with radiohead, is that they are boring. this list is far more interesting when the songs are provocatively bad, where they actually evince a strong reaction.

Well, "provocatively bad" can make for more entertaining music than boring, which was part of my point. I don't trust the list for that reason. But yeah, I can see how, this late in the game, it might be difficult to write anything remotely interesting about those ancient indie heroes. (The XX, on the other hand, I still hope finish top ten. And I don't get how hating say Grizzly Bear on whoever is by definition anymore "kneejerk" than hating Heidi Montag or Smash Mouth.)

Well, "provocatively bad" can make for more entertaining music than boring, which was part of my point.

right which is why this list is more interesting than if it covered boring music. i think theres an element of truth in advertising here -- you go in expecting entertainingly-bad songs -- that is way better than going in & being "surprised" by a bunch of challenging opinions about critically acclaimed boring music

OMG that dylan picture

xhuxk you could just say you wish the list was tailored to you and get it over with.

do y'all who are calling radiohead boring typically enjoy "slow" music, be it modern classical, ambient soundscapes type shit, super esoteric minimal stuff that's not "fast"? out of sheer curiosity.

you could just say you wish the list was tailored to you

Nah, I don't. And I wouldn't want it to be all indie, either -- that'd be stupid. I just wish it had more range. Which maybe it still will.

How are you defining "range"? Because it doesn't appear to be any definition I'm familiar with considering these are the songs on the list so far:

50. brokeNCYDE, “Bree Bree”
49. LL Cool J feat. Jennifer Lopez, “Control Myself”
48. The Moldy Peaches, “Who’s Got The Crack”
47. Akon, “Sorry, Blame It On Me”
46. Dynamite Hack, “Boyz-N-The-Hood”
45. James Blunt, “You’re Beautiful”
44. Aaron Carter, “America A O”
43. Basshunter, “Please Don’t Go”
42. 3 Doors Down, “Kryptonite”
41. Vanessa Hudgens, “Sneakernight”
40. Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi, and the Wu-Tang Clan, “For Heaven’s Sake 2000”
39. Aubrey O’Day feat. Roscoe Umali, “Never Fallin’”
38. Say Anything, “Got Your Money”
37. Satellite Party feat. Jim Morrison, “Woman In The Window”
36. Lady Sovereign, “Food Play”
35. Hampton The Hamster, “The Hampsterdance Song”
34. Happy Mondays, “Jelly Bean”
33. Heidi Montag, “Higher”

Needs more critically acclaimed boring music.

but doesn't critically acclaimed music usually get acclaim because it isn't horrible?

That's kind of where the request falls down.

I mean, a lot of those songs are just goofy. Goofy is not the same as bad. I honestly feel sorry for anybody who hates electro-hamsters that much!

I am of the opinion that most of these songs are significantly worse than just "goofy" and people who put extraneous letters in the word "hamster" should die.

Well, critically acclaimed music is theoretically at least somehow distinctive. And distinctions, by definition, would seem to provoke strong reactions -- good and bad. So it seems curious to me that they haven't flipped the tables on some distinctions that aren't as good (or distinctive) as they're cracked up to be, that's all.

i still can't believe anyone would give the time of day to that heidi montag track

the most offensive kind of music is indistinctive shit that just sounds like everything else which unfortunately is a lot of popular music these days and i kinda love sometimes how people run around in circles trying to prove how interesting and distinctive some of it is.

lol @ people still trotting out the tedious "offensively bad music is actually better than boring music because of the strong reactions it elicits!" trope which is basically a rationalized "so bad it's good". 1) it's not true and 2) it's much more interesting to write about "goofy" or awesomely bad songs anyway

i mean is anyone really looking at idolator.com's list of the top 50 worst songs of the decade and complaining about the choices? what the hell do you expect, it's just a bit of fun

do y'all who are calling radiohead boring typically enjoy "slow" music, be it modern classical, ambient soundscapes type shit, super esoteric minimal stuff that's not "fast"? out of sheer curiosity.

― jØrdån (omar little), Friday, November 6, 2009 3:15 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont find radiohead boring bcuz of its pacing, if thats what you're asking

Whiney asked me to post this for him:

xhuxk, we purposely avoided making challopsy takedowns because it would just make us look spiteful and silly. Like on the Blender lists when they're saying "We Didn't Start The Fire" is one of the worst songs ever or Primus is one of the worst bands ever. It doesn't read as "insight" it reads as "intentionally riling people up."

the most offensive kind of music is indistinctive shit that just sounds like everything else which unfortunately is a lot of popular music these days and i kinda love sometimes how people run around in circles trying to prove how interesting and distinctive some of it is.

― jØrdån (omar little), Friday, November 6, 2009 3:31 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude do u really think thats more true now than ever ... ppl have been on some "all popular music sounds the same" shit for ages .... not to sound like john d. here but were getting old, thats about it