He should - the stuff is as free from "black music" as it gets, and the Emperor/Dark Tranquillity school certainly crams more twin guitar melodic riffing, key and tempo changes into the songs than any 'conventional' rock band I can think of. But as the above list suggests, Geir likes his music aesthetically conventional, right?
― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
hahahahaha! You really believe there's a 'perfect' formula out there?What if someone such as yourself said this in 1960, everyone followed it, and your 'perfect' Beatles were stuck doing Irving Berlin covers?Now, I understand that you probaly mean this formula is perfect in your eyes, but how are you so sure there's nothing that can be produced that you'd like better?
― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Quite right. I of course sympathize with him on the whole 'find your own aesthetic' point, and at the same time I'm rather glad it isn't mine...
As for GH...oh dear oh dear oh dear. Matos, Blount, I take it all back - let him have it.
It won't work. I understand, though. Somewhere in groups.google.com is the massive 1995 or so argument I had with him that tired me out after about a month or something.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Music Consumer, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Neudonym, Monday, 3 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
1950 Hank Snow: "I'm Movin' On"1951 The Larks: "My Reverie"1952 The "5" Royales: "Laundromat Blues"1953 The Crows: "Gee"1954 Elvis Presley: "That's All Right (Mama)"/"Blue Moon of Kentucky"1955 Chuck Berry: "Maybellene"1956 James Brown: "Please Please Please"1957 Jerry Lee Lewis: "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On"1958 Link Wray & His Ray Men: "Rumble"1959 The Flamingos: "I Only Have Eyes for You"1960 Jerry Butler: "He Will Break Your Heart"1961 Ben E. King: "Stand By Me"1962 Little Eva: "The Loco-Motion"1963 The Beatles: "Please Please Me"1964 Dionne Warwick: "Walk on By"1965 Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone"1966 ? & the Mysterians: "96 Tears"1967 Smokey Robinson & the Miracles: "The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage"1968 Sly & the Family Stone: "Everyday People"1969 The Rolling Stones: "Honky Tonk Women"/"You Can't Always Get What You Want"1970 James Brown: "Get Up I Feel Like Being a Sex Machine Pt. 1 & 2"1971 Temptations: “Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)” 1972 Stevie Wonder: “Superstition” 1973 Marvin Gaye: “Let’s Get It On” 1974 Gloria Gaynor: “Never Can Say Goodbye” 1975 Jacob Miller: “Baby I Love You So”/Augustus Pablo: “King Tubby’s Meets Rockers Uptown” 1976 The Sex Pistols: “Anarchy in the U.K.” 1977 The Sex Pistols: “God Save the Queen”1978 The Clash: “(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais” 1979 Chic: “Good Times” 1980 Joy Division: “Love Will Tear Us Apart” 1981 Funky 4 + 1: “That’s the Joint”1982 New Order: “Temptation” 1983 George Clinton: “Atomic Dog” 1984 Prince: “When Doves Cry”/“17 Days” 1985 Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam with Full Force: “I Wonder If I Take You Home” 1986 Prince & the Revolution: “Kiss” 1987 Public Enemy: “Rebel without a Pause” 1988 Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock: “It Takes Two” 1989 Rythim is Rythim: “Strings Of Life” 1990 Beltram: “Energy Flash”1991 Nirvana: “Smells Like Teen Spirit” 1992 Acen: “Trip II the Moon”1993 Bikini Kill: “New Radio”/“Rebel Girl”/“Demirep” 1994 M People: “Excited” 1995 Everything But the Girl: “Missing (Todd Terry Club Mix)”1996 Blackstreet: “No Diggity” 1997 Sneaker Pimps: “Spin Spin Sugar (Armand’s Dark Garage Mix)”1998 Fatboy Slim: “The Rockafeller Skank” 1999 Powerhouse featuring Duane Harden: “What You Need” 2000 OutKast: "B.O.B."2001 Missy Elliott: "Get Ur Freak On"2002 Nas: "Made You Look"2003 (so far): Electric Six: "Danger! High Voltage," but don't hold me to it
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
But I've had second thoughts about a few of these--Stevie Wonder has to have his no-seeing ass on the list. Replace Rundgren with Music of My Mind by Stevie Wonder, then, but although Songs in the Key of Life is probably a better record than Jailbreak, keep Lizzy on for fun.
Matos and I agree on four records, then; Hongro on one; JBR and I agree on none; Murphy on none; Blount on none.
― Neudonym, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://tinyurl.com/6rr8
Yea, this guy is a compulsive troll. Notice in the second thread (which seems to be his grand entrance to USENET) how many newsgroups its crossposted to (seven) and how its essentially tailor made to incite anger in each. For instance, his claim that people are tiring of hip-hop back in 1996 and then the act of xposting it to alt.rap. Not to mention that in retrospect this looks hilarious.
He'd be ingenious if the methodology hadn't already been being used for many years by other far more successful internet whacks. So, if thee be smart, learn from the mistakes of others before you; don't feed the trolls.
- Alan
― Alan Conceicao, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
it only goes up to 97. [when is 98, 99, 00, 01, 02 going to be documented?]
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
Right, I see you must be too busy with ILM and other music forums, these days Geir?
Re: Embrace: Their songs simply aren't good enough.
[Correct.]
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
oh, i can't resist
geir what do you think of harmolodics?
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― schnell schnell, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
1959: Buddy Holly: It Doesn't Matter Anymore1960: The Shadows: Apache1961: Del Shannon: Hats Off To Larry1962: The Beatles: PS I Love You1963: The Beatles: From Me To You1964: The Beatles: I Should Have Known Better1965: Beach Boys: California Girls1966: Beach Boys: God Only Knows1967: The Beatles: Strawberry Fields Forever1968: The Zombies: A Rose For Emily1969: The Turtles: You Showed Me1970: Beach Boys: At My Window1971: Beach Boys: Till I Die1972: Genesis: Supper's Ready1973: Genesis: Firth Of Fifth1974: Supertramp: Hide In Your Shell1975: Queen: Bohemian Rhapsody1976: Genesis: Mad Man Moon1977: ELO: Wild West Hero1978: Genesis: Burning Rope1979: 20/20: Yellow Pills1980: Japan: Gentlemen Take Polaroids1981: Japan: Ghosts1982: Spongetones: She Goes Out With Everybody1983: Depeche Mode: The Landscape Is Changing1984: Depeche Mode: Blasphemous Rumours1985: Dire Straits: Your Latest Trick1986: Depeche Mode: Black Celebration1987: Dukes Of Stratosphear: Collideascope1988: Crowded House: Better Be Home Soon1989: Paul McCartney: My Brave Face1990: Prefab Sprout: Jesse James1991: Crowded House: Four Seasons In One Day1992: The Cure: Friday I'm In Love1993: Crowded House: Fingers Of Love1994: Dodgy: Staying Out For The Summer1995: Blur: Country House1996: Ocean Colour Scene: The Day We Caught The Train1997: Radiohead: Exit Music (For Films)1998: Catatonia: Road Rage1999: Cotton Mather: Camp Hill Rail Operator2000: a-ha: Minor Earth Major Sky2001: Electric Soft Parade: Silent To The Dark2002: Doves: There Goes The Fear
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Beluister muziek fragment met RealPlayer G2 0'21" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In "The Phare of Biarritz" heb ik deze akkoordengroep toegepast. In het volgende voorbeeld zijn de overmatige drieklanken uit de vierklanken geïsoleerd. Een andere manier om tot vierklanken te komen is de stuurtonen te maken tot toongroepen. De stuurgroepen bestaan namelijk uit 4 tonen. Een voorbeeld: Uur XI wordt gestuurd door uur VI. Als uur XI bestaat uit de akkoorden E mineur Fis mineur Gis majeur Ais majeur dan is de stuurgroep: E Fis Gis Ais. Neem je hiervan de eerste omkering, dan ontstaat er een Fis79 accoord zonder kwint. De hele groep van complementaire vierklanken, die weer af te leiden is van het zesde uur is: De twaalfde uur variatie is te horen in de alt-solo en de bas-solo van "2soon2die"; de elfde uur variatie in de bas-solo van "Onweer", en de C-melody-saxsolo in dezelfde compositie is gebaseerd op de zesde uur variatie. Beide composities zijn te vinden op de CD "Ear Opener" van het Theo Hoogstins Octet. Dit zijn slechts enkele voorbeelden van toepassingen van de toonklok. De mogelijkheden zijn vrijwel onbeperkt, denk maar aan transpositie van harmonieën, toepassingen in lintharmonisaties waarbij het mogelijk is twee linten die op verschillende uren zijn gebaseerd gezamenlijk te laten klinken. Ook als analysemodel is de toonklok al zeer waardevol gebleken, bijvoorbeeld in het artikel uit Entre’Act van Andre Douw. Concluderend kan worden gesteld dat de ordening van tonen, zoals weergegeven in de toonklok, kan leiden tot een andere kijk op zowel componeren als improviseren. Het is een allesomvattend systeem voor harmonie in de chromatische toonladder, dat een componist in staat stelt het hele scala van klankkleuren te overzien en op een consistente manier toe te passen. Het kost misschien enige tijd en studie om een dergelijke manier van werken onder de knie te krijgen, maar het is zeker de moeite waard voor musici die op zoek zijn naar nieuwe klankstructuren. Dat de beschreven klanken thuis horen in het jazzidioom blijkt wel uit de kop van de recensie van Frans van Leeuwen: "Hoogstins klinkt jazzy en vertrouwd" (NRC, 7/10/92).
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Harmolodics? I doubt Geir has even heard of Ornette or anyone else who practices it.
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
Obv. you have a very limited range of music that you enjoy and a very limited definition of what music can be and what moods it can create. Can't you just own up to this (there's nothing wrong w/it, per se) rather than dismiss all music that doesn't fit your narrow expectations? This is I Love MUSIC, afterall, not I Love All That is Beatlesque.
― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― schnell schnell, Monday, 3 March 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
1977 David Bowie, Low1978 P.I.L., Public image1979 Chic, Risque1980 Prince, Dirty mind1981 Human League, Dare (hehe, I love this now!)1982 ABC, The lexicon of love1983 Aztec Camera, High land hard rain1984 The Smiths, Hatful of hollow1985 Scritti Politti, Cupid and psyche 851986 Slayer, Reign in blood1987 Sonic Youth, Sister1988 AR Kane, 691989 New Order, Technique1990 Ice Cube, Amerikkka's most wanted1991 Nirvana, Nevermind1992 Pavement, Slanted and enchanted1993 Nirvana, In utero1994 Notorious BIG, Ready to die1995 Fatboy Slim, Better living through chemistry1996 Tortoise-Millions now living will never die1997 Chemical Brothers, Dig your own hole1998 Mercury Rev, Deserters songs1999 Wilco, Summerteeth2000 Radiohead, Kid A2001 Daft Punk, Discovery2002 The Streets-Original pirate material\Sonic Youth-Murray Street
― Michael B, Monday, 3 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
I am content to not follow where others lead.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
The R.E.M albums are there by default, I don't listen to 80s music much.
Like all my lists, this is totally arbitrary, and if I re-createdit tommorow it would be completely different.
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
1976 Squeeze _How Dare You_
with
1976 10cc _How Dare You_
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
* which is also SQUIRREL's favorite 1979 album! (But not mine. Tossup between, I dunno, *Live at the Witch Trials, *Head Games, *Bad Girls, *A Tonic for the Troops, *Strange Spirits, *Cuba, *Cory and Me, *Get the Knack, *Off the Wall, and oh yeah, the American version of *The Clash if that counts......Best year EVER, maybe??? No argument here.)
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Squirrel Police has pretty good taste in the mid-to-late '70s.
James Blount on the other hand, is a really smart EARLY '70s guy.
Neudonym was very courageous (and right as well) in not replacing Thin Lizzy in 1976 with Stevie Wonder.
Andy K's, Michael B's, Jody Beth Rosen's and Michaelangelo's album tastes all start out truly great, then go way downhill from there (with occasional obvious exceptions).
All of this probably says more about me than about any of them.
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not likely. Everything he does screams "I AM TROLL, HEAR ME ROAR". From the dismissal of entire genres (and the threads crossposted into the newsgroups following them) and declarations like "Long live real music played by real people," it comes down to the old "if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck" adage.
Just that he's a troll, not a duck. You know. and stuff.
As for the website, its a "ready made" reference that he can point at to "prove" his point. Kinda like when a christian fundie references some Baptist site or what have you.
― Alan Conceicao, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link