Rolling Country 2006 Thread

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also this was amazing, but might be too indie wank for this thread

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 04:27 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, you should read Robert Christgau's College of Joshes roundup from a couple years ago; Ritter's in there:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0335,christgau,46533,22.html

Me, I just played Hank III's cover (on a 2000-copy limited edition picture disc split 45 on oi!-friendly TKO Records) of Antiseen's catchiest song ever "Ruby Get Back to the Hills," and Hank performs the seemingly impossible task of TAKING ALL OF THE TUNE OUT OF AN ANTISEEN TUNE via his usual dried-out riverbank country nostalgia shtick turning into hack dime-a-dozen mosh noise bullshit halfway through, quite an accomplishment (being less melodic than Antiseen, I mean, since Antiseen generally make Motorhead seem like Abba in comparison), but I damned if I'll listen to it again (since he also extracts all the power and humor from the song.) I swear, III annoys me more and more as time goes on. (By the way, are his digs at Kid Rock because Hank Jr has called Kid his "son" or whatever once? That occured to me, and obviously it'd make sense.) Oddly, I actually enjoy the flipside, Antiseen doing "F.T.K." (= "Fuck the Kids," gratitously homophobic but at least thankfully not gratutiously pedophilic, and mostly just gratuitously get-offa-my-lawn-you-idiot-punk-rock-whippersnappers-before-I-get-my-shotgun curmudgeonhood, which I relate too); was that a Hank III song once? (Best new TKO 45 though, is "Broken Bottles" by a band named Broken Bottles, a droney slimey nasal tuneful punk clodhop about getting thrown out of a club that plays '80s dance music, then drinking in the street. That's the B-side; A-side "Suburban Dream" is more cliched but has an actual song to it, too--neighborhood watch amid picket fences; chorus for some reason saying "you and me, we could be the best of friends".)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:38 (twenty years ago)

(actually, that motorhead/abba analogy i just made was stupid; motorhead were actually extremely hooky despite themselves once upon a time, and still are compared to the vast majority of metal out there. plus, lemmy is an abba fan. but you get my point, i'm sure.)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I also really like the Josh Ritter album--there's a good feature on him in the new ND by Linda Ray; I also wrote about him there a few years ago--and I think "Girl in the War" is amazing: the lyrics first struck me as sub-Dylan allusive nonsense, but the song may well be about the paradox of seeking solace in religion in times of religious (or religion-fueled) wars. Especially when you're aching for a girl with champagne eyes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:09 (twenty years ago)

and who isnt these days

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

you?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

nah, im all about female soliders with champagne eyes, though my experience is mostly isreali, and the frission f political dissent is always a little erotic

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

ok so 'baby hold on' is almost definitely the next dixie chix single right?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Edd, just got back and caught up; so sorry about your Mom. I know this has going on for a while. I've had some experiences somewhat like that; drop me a line if you ever want to discuss (or for whatever else, of course) xxxxpost: xhuxx, not familiar with Billy Maddox, but Paul Thorn wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," and I've written on here (and maybe Rolling 20005) about a couple of his live sets on radio and TV(used to be really annoying, and he's still not exactly subtle, but getting to be pretty good with the stylistic switcheroo: crassly funny to spooky to kitchy to all at once, at best; also some okay plain serious, and some not okay). Roy, just finished the Chatham County Line thing: you were asking of any good, and yeah, first and third are. Second slumps, but a few good-to-great ("Saro Jane," an original) tracks. (Can sample all their first and second albums' tracks on yeproc,I hope, since they got 'em as individual downloads; third's tracks not available yet, since album's out on the 30th). Leader Dan Wilson has good evocative songs, most of the time, and they don't do the nasal lockjaw squeak. Was reminded of your man Tim Easton, and now I see they've done some shows together. Now to listen to the album you sent, thanks (cool design; is that your daygig?) So: Billy Walker, killed in Alabama car crash. Was he good?

don, Monday, 22 May 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Finally listened to the Lee Roy Parnell alb Back to the Wall that xhuxk was liking upthread; I don't find any reason to dislike it but I also think that here's another guy with a good voice who just isn't quite a frontman. In fact, I hear more "voice" in the guitar playing than in the singing - bent notes feeling like a human cry. The guitar is excellent, being part of the songs and doing solos without jumping around saying "Here's my solo turn" (not that some guitars shouldn't jump around and do their turns when played with genius). The guitar has bite in the midst of the slow bedroom soul of "Something Out of Nothing," but song and singer need to take command in a way that they can't. For the quiet sadness I'd like Toby Keith singing and for the slow smolder I'd want Travis Tritt. Which isn't to say that I would be unhappy hearing these songs on the radio. Is there a format that handles this music anymore? It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country, but my guess is that the country stations are the only hope it's got.

Now a question I've asked myself and that I don't have an answer for is: Why do I feel that this type of blues-soul is living within unnecessary constraints, snug in its form (especially since, for sure, there's a lot of variety, southern rock to slow blues to jazzy cloudbursts)? Anyhow, that's how I do feel, feel the same thing about the Jessi Colter (which I like quite a lot), that they're too far within a form, and I'm therefore feeling at a distance.

But I don't think that (for instance) Lindsay Lohan is unnecessarily constrained for not loading up her songs with blues licks and not stepping out of her forms.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

Both the new Leeroy Parnell and Jessi Colter albums (neither of which, admittedly, I've played much since I first got them, but heck, I'd say the same thing about Lohan's album, which I'm sure I prefer) strike me as less constrained, with more individual songs jumping out and more rock energy and more details to the distinguish one song from another, than the reissue of Delaney and Bonnie's Stax 1969 *Home*, which I've had in my five-CD changer for the past couple days (and which is playing all the way through in the background now, as a last resort before it hits the sell box), and which always sounds pleasant whenever a song comes up, but which never leaves any impression whatsoever beyond that. What is supposed to be so great about this thing again? Sounds pretty darn pro forma to me. Christgau apparently loved them -- gave their '70s albums all A's or A-'s, and seemed to be saying their late '60s ones were even better. *Rolling Stone Record Guide* (red '79 edition, all the later boring ones are in storage now I think, ha ha) claims they were a big influence on Clapton, which could be good or bad. Anyway, I'm thinking people must have just been impressed about Duck Dunn working with these polite white folkies, and I seriously doubt I'll keep the damn thing. Feel free to try to convince me otherwise.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:03 (twenty years ago)

(also, frank, isn't it inductive reasoning to note that certain individuals in genre x are more constrained than certain individuals in genre y, and then assume they both speak for their entire genres? i mean, do you also think toby keith's music is less constrained than, say, vanessa carlton's or michelle branch's? i sure don't -- though who knows, maybe that just means i need to listen to vanessa or michelle more. and i doubt they're the best examples anyway. but also, just because, say, pink lets more genres into her music than, say, dale watson {whose album actually strikes me as quite varied, regardless} doesn't mean i'd rather listen to her. and now, i don't.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

(also, i realize i'm sort of putting words in your mouth; you actually sorta set toby up *against* leeroy, which might mean that, unlike jessi, toby might not qualify as "this kind of blues-soul." and maybe vanessa and michelle are part of a different genre than lindsay, too. but whatever their genres are, i doubt it would be all that difficult to find some member of the leeroy genre whose music is less constained than some member of the lindsay genre. and since in the *past* you've surely complained about current country being constrained in ways that current teen-pop {and current hip-hop} are (which i don't buy myself -- all three genres strike my own ears as constrained *and* varied} i still believe i'm making a valid point.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)

oops, i meant:

"you've surely complained about current country being constrained in ways that current teen-pop {and current hip-hop} AREN'T"

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Lee Roy Parnell is more comparable to Jon Nicholson than Toby Keith or Jessi Colter, I think, or Lindsay Lohan; he's more of an enlightened crooner who uses blues and country in search of the Genre Without A Name in between. Toby might think he's doing that, but he always defaults to country; Kenny Chesney thinks he does it, but his default is set to Eagles and James Taylor; Garth went there a couple of times, but he listened to a couple of his songwriting buddies one night when they all were high and we all know what happened next. Anthony Hamilton went there but then retreated; Ann Peebles had a home there for a little while; I think Allison Moorer rents a room there, but you guys all disagree.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:18 (twenty years ago)

wow, that was supposed to read "blues and country and soul", whatever

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Wow, as far as I can tell, Lee Roy's feet seem stuck to the ground in a pair of lead shoes compared to Toby's, there's no comparison. (I also wish Leeroy seemed as fun--as pop--as Jon Nicholson, or Pat Green for that matter, though Toby's way more soulful than any of the above. *The Blackwell Guide to Recorded Country Music* compares Leeroy's first album from 1990, which I've never heard--in fact, I've never *anything* but his new album, I don't think, so what the hell do I know? Was he more pop back when he actually had country hits?--to Delbert McClinton, which sounds right to me, not that I've ever listened to Delbert enough to figure out if he's any good.)

Speaking of Garth, I've been trying to wade through his damn 17-song outtakes thingamajig from early this year, and I never get very far into it before I give up. Not sure why -- maybe just because it's so fucking long (like all the hip-hop albums I haven't been able to get through this year.) So far, I definitely like the song where he's leaving a bar but he doesn't know where so he asks the operator to trace his cellphone call to determine his global position, and I'm less sure about the one where God reincarnates him as a cowgirl's saddle so he'll be close to his two favorite things in life, a cowgirl and a horse. (The conceit of which reminds me somehow of "I Want to Sniff Sheila Young's Bicycle Seat After a 15-Mile Ride" by my old high school pals Luke Mucus and the Phlegm, though I doubt that's intentional.) Beyond that, Garth, I have no frigging idea yet.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

(Dammit - I meant I've never HEARD anything but Leeroy's new album. Which, as I detail way up thread, I actually *enjoy*, despite the misgivings I just stated. He strikes me as a stodgy old cuss, but at least a lively one, which is more than you can say for most.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm not talking about "quality," Chuck, just genre-leanings; I actually don't think Lee Roy is all that interested in country music at all, and neither really is Nicholson, whereas Toby is pretty steeped in it. I'm not even getting into discussions about who sounds lead-footed, not on this thread and not with you, and not with anyone else either, because that's all ear-of-the-behearer territory.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:10 (twenty years ago)

That Garth saddle song sounds awesome though!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Well, Matt, both I (see my Feb 28 post: "NOTHING on this record is MORE country than soul or blues") and Frank ("It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country") acknowledge that Parnell's priority is in places other than country, so I guess that's something we all agree on. And sure, that's probably not the case with Toby. But I still don't see how that makes Toby's music less an exploratory "search of the Genre Without A Name" than Parnell's; maybe Parnell would explore more if country *was* his frame. As is, compared to Toby, he seems stylistically stuck in place, which was my lead-shoe point.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:32 (twenty years ago)

(Compared to Chesney, too; his music just feels way more *open* than Leeroy's. Which might just mean that, nowadays, the scope of "country" is much wider than the scope of "this kind of blues-soul" or "the genre without a name" or whatever you wanna call it.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)

(and ha ha, now I'M reasoning inductively!)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:37 (twenty years ago)

I don't want to say that the midpoint of country and blues and soul is necessarily the best place to be; after all, I fully expect the new Hacienda Bros. record to be right there smack dab in the middle, and I fully expect to love it the first three times I hear it, and I fully expect to never listen to it again. And I agree that there is a use for Toby Keith in this world, and that he has soul elements right alongside his shit-kickery. But I still can't see any earthly use for Kenny Chesney, because I think he proves that there are limitations involved in having one's music be "open". But his singles sound okay on the radio, I guess, sometimes.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I like the Hacienda Bros' new album better than that Parnell one - they cover the Intruders ("I useta chase the girls and beat 'em up", still wtf after all these years) *and* Charlie Rich *and* the Boxtops, and do Tex-Mex and spaghetti western and Irish-ish stuff, too. But yeah, it all ends up in the same place, somehow, and I'm not gonna predict I'll return to it much, either. Not as much as to Chesney, at least. (Actually, I never even heard Kenny's most recent one; did anybody here? *When the Sun Goes Down* and *No Shoes No Shirt No Problems* are his great ones; his best-of CD's in storage.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

speaking of toby, why the hell did brooks and dunn do the merel haggard tribute at the 40 years of ACM show, instead of Toby, Toby is the closest to outlaw we have right now, hes clever, hes ambigous, the voice is similar, and well it seems a better fit?

whos watching the acm 2006 awards show tonite?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Most recent Chesney I've liked: "Who'd You Be Today" and "Anything But Mine" (pretty much the same musically, but each set of lyrics establishes its own turf, and Kenny obliges). Country-blues-soul does get played, but I hear it more often on NPR, on shows like "Beale Street Caravan" and "American Routes," "World Cafe" (though the latter also features stuff far from country-blues-soul),and sometimes "Woodsongs" will have like Cowboy Jack Clements or Jim Dickinson or The Gourds, all of whom are more idiosyncratic than ones so far cited, but not very constrained, unless you thank they should be more mainstream-accesible(they do make a living, as is). But mostly "Woodsongs" has somebody more acoustic, like xpost Peasall Sisters. "Beale Street Caravan" and "Woodsongs" are live sets, though ("AM Routes" more studio). "World Cafe" is both; a lot (though not all)of the album tracks they play are bad-to-neglgible American and UK NPR stereptypes (Feist). But the live-in-the-studio sets, which I've mentioned before on these Rolling threads (Rosanne's, for inst) are what I listen for, and they're posted here and there, as well as where they "should" be posted---but my point is that a lot of these artists find exposure either through non-commercial radio formats, or through live sets ("Beale St" tapes stuff in clubs and at festivals all over the country), and/or through newer commercial media, like satellite radio and Webcasts. Also, some networking and performance exposure through other ventures, like I've seen several artists emtnion they got some deal together via Delbert McClinton's Blues Cruise (.And his recent Cost Of Living is mostly pretty droll, xxhuxx, though whether it would be a keeper, I dunno: I think I'm gonna send mine to Luc, but not cos it's bad, it's just established all the room in my headbox it's ever gonna demand.) Haven't listened to Delaney and Bonnie in a while, but when I heard the reissue of their Live, no longer grabbed me like it did on LP, except for one track that made me pogo, most unusually. I suspect they're more significant re networking also: Clapton joined up after Rolling Stone called him the master of blues cliche and he broke up Cream (although I'd say such mastery is good basis for arena thud-rock, but he meant it to be more) and there he pretty much put together Derek And The Dominos, but also with horns and better vocal harmonies than D and the Ds did on their own. And other careers were advanced from D and B enterprises, and seemed like they helped establish the country-blues-soul Southern Rock thing as viable (Lucrative on the road and FM and album sales, rather than *solely* road-piggybacking basically limited-lifespan Top Forty success, like with Box Tops etc). Roy: thanks for Rough Shop. I like most of the playing, several of the tunes, some of the whole songs, and occasionally the vocals.(Words and vocals tend to vague out on each other.) But can imagine somebody else doing good versions (maybe hits, or at least Featured Tracks that actually get played on the radio) of "I'm Your Man" and "Town's For Sale." And maybe "Final Wild Sons" and some others.

don, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

(x-post) :( rubbish British telly.

Anthony I ought one of the Jason McCoy records you recommended and it's great! It doesn't sound quite right to me (in a good way) and I'll try to work out why at some point when I'm less busy.

I bought my first Toby CD the other day, too: Honkytonk U (I'd managed to pick up the impression that he was going to be just too rock-ish for my namby tastes, I've no idea how...). I adore that, too.

Strange thing, not being a downloader, and not having a serviceable c&w radio station I can find here, the records I buy are the records I know. That means I am largely buying on the recommendations of you lot (filtered through what I understand of each of your respective tastes). I suspect this is giving me an idiosyncratic understanding of modern country music.

(All best wishes Edd, by the way.)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Tim, try Toby's Pull My Chain.(of course the thing about xpost Peasall Sisters is not just that they are acoustic, but more mountainy than what we're talking about here)(xpost Jon Nicholson sounds fairly country to me, though like I said in Voice, he's a denizen of El Lay to NashVegas urban country, like Rodney, and Rosanne before she got so settled into NYC, and most Country artists on whutever media, basically, though early tracks on his album are too Chris Robinson for my taste, but still basically the same approach as country-blues-soul-rockish)speaking of Webcasts (with and without commercials), and text, like interviews, reviews, forums news (of non-Celebrities, like teacher taking her geetar into the classroom), a good source I've just come across is http://www.realcountrymusic.org

don, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

which jason mccoy album, tim?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

can we talk about the big and rich which rhymes nineteen/green/sixteen/ and i think marine, on the CMA, it was rather awful in a cloying sentimental and awfully refienthalish

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

"thingies, wotsits and lies", or whatever it's called. (And A, I enjoyed reading your write-up of the awards show this morning, thanks!)

Thanks too to Don for the recommendation, I'll be listening to that as soon as it chugs its way across the sea from Florida or wherever.

I'm off to see Neko Case tonight. I warmed to her last LP a bit over time, I think it has four or five tremendously good songs on it (It took me a good 25 listens over the course of a month to come to that conclusion, which makes me think I kind of forced myself into liking it but that's fine really, it's the liking thing that's important and I must have been hearing something worthwhile to give it that many goes, I suppose.)

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

thnx tim!
i still dont like the neko, i know what she was going for, and it was ambitious, but ill put it into the failed experiment camp.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

>rather awful in a cloying sentimental and awfully refienthalish <

how so, anthony? i only caught the song's tail end; noticed they had a bunch of old VFW vets (WWII age, maybe? But it's a Vietnam song, right?) up there in purple uniforms. also noticed that, despite the seeming seriousness of the occasion (acknowledged by Sugarland when they next accepted their award -- by the way, did they thank their dykey departed member? If not, they can go fuck themselves), Big still had on his crazy top-hat thing. Song's hard to get through on the album; I assume it would've been even more so on TV, so I'm not bummed that I missed it. Didn't watch much of the rest of the show -- "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" with Vegas dancers was embarrasing (and Reba's butt puns introducing it were even more embarrassing); "Jesus Take the Wheel" seemed really dull, and I basically like both songs so maybe I was just in a crabby mood. Billy Ray Cyrus's daughter seemed smart as a whip and a real charmer (and smarter than her dad, who she had to remind to say one of his lines) when she presented an award, though. Did anybody manage to mention the Dixie Chicks?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:42 (twenty years ago)

The miltary guys, the american flags, the giant screens with footage of soilders, the noise (visual and auditory) in contrast with the quietness, and how it seemed coded--it really did seem like a hawk song that didnt have the courage of its conventions...

maybe reifensthal is the wrong touchstone, but with the milatirized spectacle, it was the first thing that came to my head (i may be crabby too, because i used the phrase kinder kirche kuche to describe gretchen wilson, and the towering trace adkins, with the rockettes show girls was an all american Cabaret--it was a really strange show, really sort of unapolgetically neo-con, and stage managed, in a way that the grammies never were.

which is why the thompson qoute was so brilliant

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:50 (twenty years ago)

huh, what thompson quote? can you link to your write-up, anthony?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Don: Gracias for giving that Rough Shop CD a spin (and to clarify, it's not my day gig--they're just friends I've known for a long time and I'm trying to help them get their CD out to the world).

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Just posted this on the teenpop thread:

Best song on the (so-so) new Drive-By Truckers is "Easy On Yourself" - it's dragged down by Isbell's nondescript vocals, and it's got pseudo-wise lyrics that amount to fuckall, but it has a good tune that sounds surprisingly like DioGuardi-Shanks in emotional Lohan-support mode. Also has good Truckers rattle-clatter guitar - conveying tunefulness via rattle-clatter has always been a Trucker strength.

Of course, 'twould probably be way better if Shanks & DioGuardi had written it, and way more evocative, emotional, ALIVE with Lindsay's pipes.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

One:
The new big and rich single rhymes nineteen/green/m16 and they had all of these old marines, and images of battle on 20 foot screens behind them, it was this strange, amazing conflation of public spectacle and historical revisonism, almost but not quite about iraq

Two:
Starting with a 20 foot projection of himself, ending with formation dancing vegas show girls, worshipping trace adkins, Honky Tonk Badonkadonk continues to triumph

Three:
Jesus Take the Wheel, Carrie Underwood's new single, is intensely, powerfully, religious, desperate in its faith, and one of the best written songs this year. Her performance is overwhelming in its power. She cries at the end of the performance, and later, when winning, remembers to thank Simon Callow and 19 Records (cf Clarkson at the Grammies)

Four
Gretchen Wilson Politically Uncorrect, the second single to use the phrase low man on the totem pole (the other one is by Toby Keith), the most politically expolisive thing about the entire fucking song is the acknowledgement that america might actually have a working poor and talking about being for the working man, something that neither kerry nor bush were for the last election, its become somewhat of an anthem (THIS TIME WITH MERLE) who sings really well with Wilson, sort of a whiskey/honey kind of arrangement (the conflation of working class values with religion and the miltary has a kind of kinder kircher kuche vibe on the edges, esp. with the waving american flag motiff

Five
This is the first performance that convinced me that the pretty blonde from sugar land was as a good singer as the scary dyke--the dyke (who may be fired now, cause i didnt see her playing this time) is still one of the best guitar players ive heard on recent radio, this ones a rocker (and quite a good time)

Six
Jo Dee Messina looks like somewhere b/w one of Prince's back up dancers, and Raquel Welch in 1 000 000 years BC

Seven
Montgomery Gentry, continues to combine small town nostaliga, with a myriad of daddy issues. There is a different between the anger of working class rebellion in Gretchen Wilson, no matter how stage managed it is, and Gentry's who seems to think that if you are working at all, just shut up and quit yr bitching, for someone so loud they sure seem to like ideological compliance.

Eight
Vince Gill one of the genuinely kind men in the industry, gives his humanitarian award to a small child with cancer, and yeah its mawkish and kind of sentimental, but unscripted and i find myself welling up.

Nine
Little Big Town's Boondooks, useless for the first three minutes, the harmonic convergance of the last few lines, quick and free, are effortless, and so well constructed. It starts with this almost hip hop scat singing, and then goes into this round, almost a hipper barber shop, one of the best musical moments of the night.

Ten
we rock to live, we live to rock--rascall flatts (they dont)
b)
Kelly Clarkson doing Rascall Flatts ballads shows the strength of Clarksons' voice and the weakness of the the Flatts writings

Eleven
The Wright Brothers qoute the infamous Hunter Thompson line about the music industry being a plastic trench (they are doing it from memory, off teleprompter, because they paraphrase, the full qoute is: ""The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Quite bitter for a self conglaturatory wank fast.

Twelve:
I love Sara Evans, but she hasnt been with in a thousand miles of anything resembling a coal mine.

Thirteen:
Ever time I hear Brooks and Dunn, i hate them more and more, i am almost now becoming almost ill hearing them again, and i dont know why---i could use words like artifical nostaliga, or toxic sentiment but I like those things in other artists, and it could be the politics of the domestic, but thats one of the reasons why I listen to country. Its not even the music, church choirs withstanding, they are decent song writers and good instrumentalists...but i hate them, and this performance well constructed towards audience. IT confuses me.

Fourteen
Martina tries to do honky tonk or texas swing or something that requires singer less rigid and less safe. Shes horribly boring.

Fifteen
Dwight Yoakham, ZZ Tops Bill Gibbons, The Byrds Chris Hillman, Blink 182's Travis Barker (!?), Brad Paisley, and members of the original Buck Band, and it doesnt sound bad, but then as long as you keep the energy up, its impossible to make Buck sound bad, and they keep the energy up. (Paisleys realtionship to traditonal country is really interesting, and it contiunes to be here, he seems a natural for the mateiral, but isnt as comfortable as even Barker) Its also Ballad heavy, aside from Act Naturally, which was kind od disappointing...has someone ever written on outlaw country and married pairs, because Bonnie Owens (an amazing singer and song writer on her own right) is getting the same kind of attention as Buck) Also The Streets of Bakersfield is really fucking political in its use of geography/place, sort of the anti Okie from Muskokie

Sixteen
Kenny Chesney again.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

I suspect this is giving me an idiosyncratic understanding of modern country music.

Roffling

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

xhuxk, before Anthony posted I was going to send you here:

http://community.livejournal.com/poptimists, where you can get an idiosyncratic understanding of everything (cf. Lex on the six Britney singles and six Britney album tracks that he thinks are better than "...Baby One More Time," "Oops," and "Toxic."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

delet period, close paren, add period

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

delet = delete (Jeez, I'm getting senile; yesterday over on the teenpop thread I called Rachel Stevens "Rachel Sweet")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

The blues-soul-country guy who seems totally nonconstrained is T. Graham Brown, and he doesn't sound like he's in search of anything. And I wouldn't say his music is particularly varied, at least not more than anyone else we're mentioning. So I obviously haven't figured out what I mean by constrained. He just seems comfortable where he is with no need to go elsewhere. This is what my earbrain is telling me. But I don't feel that I can explain or justify this. But in general (putting Brown aside), I feel that there's an area of blues-soul-country that does seem fenced-in, and I'd put Nicholson and Moorer there as well. Or maybe those are neighboring areas.

(One could call Shooter Jennings "blues-soul-country," but he's obviously in a different world from everyone else we've just mentioned. "Rock.")

Parnell's is a good album, but the voice doesn't seem up to the arrangements. And maybe the songwriting isn't, either. But I'd actually like to hear Toby Keith doing more of that kind of material. My favorite song of Toby's is "That's Not the Way It Is," which I called "Quiet Storm" when I reviewed it.

Robert Cray seems relevant here.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

thanks, everyone. I had an interesting experience yesterday,interviewed Blaine Larsen as he walked around a Vegas casino. smart, canny guy, and altho he didn't tell me anything too earth-shattering, he did tell me one thing I didn't know about his first record (which I think is better than the second, altho now I finally got to buckle down and listen to it in more detail, this weekend): those songs were demos, all of them. which I guess isn't so strange to contemplate, given that songwriter/label demos done before a recording session here are almost always basically finished products, and as releasable as anything that comes out of the studios.


blues/soul/country: Tony Joe White, Eddie Hinton, Donnie Fritts (Fritts ain't no singer, though; I just heard this Jon Tiven-produced Oh Boy record of Fritts', on which DF and Lucinda Williams desecrate the Fritts-written "Breakfast in Bed" that Dusty did so seductively on "In Memphis."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I heard the tail end of ACM from the other room and heard the host (who was Reba? (who, btw, made me feel... funny)) make some Dixie Chicks reference that got a big, sustained roar out of the crowd. I think it was anti-, but not sure.

I had been warming a bit to B&D, but they really seemed like "douches" last night.

Paisley has really succeeded in provoking my interest. Now I might actually get his record. Do I really have to eat my Blaine Larsen vegetables first?

B&R will be at the memorial day National Symphony concert this weekend.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

xposts: 1) Tim,Anthony I haven't been that crazy about Neko's new tracks either. Though I haven't heard the whole thing, just h several on the radio--she did do a couple of them really fetchingly on a live TV show, though, and delivered a full set of earlier, better-seeming songs on Austin City Limits last year, with Kelly Hogan and her usual crew. (Even a relatively disappointing hout of Austin City Limits is better than most weeks of CMT, speaking of country-blues-rock etc) Hopefully Hogan will still be there, but I know troublechilde genius Catherine Irwin is on the European tour, so by all means go. (Didn't hear Blacklist or the live album, but The Virginian and Furnace Room Lullaby rule, though channeling Nico and Patsy Cline and Scott Walker and gospel through your coded diary might be too much for rich for some; spare production, though)2)a: Rachel Sweet would be a good subject for Rolling Teenpop; b: ZZ etc, but nothing that Lohan's pipes couldn't improve, eh? Whut a surprise. c: everybody's "constrained" to some fucking extent, and your Teenpop goddesses are constrained by their relatively(age-related) limited experience, in music and other.That doesn't mean they're bad, but the sometimes limits show. Some of the country-blues-soul guys might be constrained by absolutely (age-related) weighty experience in music and other. T. Graham was last heard (by me) droning an albumsworth of rehab bromides (if that's not a contradiction in terms). Gentry's more interesting with that mindset: they mutter and spout and seem like they're (dreaming of) jumping their tattooed needlescarred asses rat off the halfway house steps and onto a passing National Guard truck, boucning off it and onto the stage again(entertaining the troops one way or another).3) Eddie Hinton makes good use of his constraint and blues-soul-country compulsions (and their cost), rehabbing just long enough to play up to all the instruments, and write most of the songs and arrangements, and wind and sometimes shred his husky-cute to wirrrred mod-poboy voice, on the first two volumes of The Songwriter Sessions, which are mostly great demos, but the current Vol 3 is mostly just demos. 4) The closest I've seen to an extended piece on Outlaw marriage is Guralnick on Charlie and Margaret Ann Rich (who wrote some of his best songs). Charlie was too musically and emotionally hyphenated to fit anywhere really comfortably, and certainly something of a lower-case outlaw/contrarian. (Though the most public moment of that was prob when he was supposed to announce John Denver as the winner in that TV awards ceremony, and somehow the envelope caught fire.)5) Holy crap, xxhuxx was right about Rebel Meets Rebel! Metal thud meets boogie bounce, wonder if Charlie Daniels has heard this? So, were Pantera any good on their own?

don, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

xposts: 1) Tim,Anthony I haven't been that crazy about Neko's new tracks either. Though I haven't heard the whole thing, just h several on the radio--she did do a couple of them really fetchingly on a live TV show, though, and delivered a full set of earlier, better-seeming songs on Austin City Limits last year, with Kelly Hogan and her usual crew. (Even a relatively disappointing hout of Austin City Limits is better than most weeks of CMT, speaking of country-blues-rock etc) Hopefully Hogan will still be there, but I know troublechilde genius Catherine Irwin is on the European tour, so by all means go. (Didn't hear Blacklist or the live album, but The Virginian and Furnace Room Lullaby rule, though channeling Nico and Patsy Cline and Scott Walker and gospel through your coded diary might be too much for rich for some; spare production, though.)2)a: Rachel Sweet would be a good subject for Rolling Teenpop; b: ZZ etc, but nothing that Lohan's pipes couldn't improve, eh? Whut a surprise. c: everybody's "constrained" to some fucking extent, and your Teenpop goddesses are constrained by their relatively(age-related) limited experience, in music and other.That doesn't mean they're bad, but the sometimes limits show. Some of the country-blues-soul guys might be constrained by absolutely (age-related) weighty experience in music and other. T. Graham was last heard (by me) droning an albumsworth of rehab bromides (if that's not a contradiction in terms). Gentry's more interesting with that mindset: they mutter and spout and seem like they're (dreaming of) jumping their tattooed needlescarred asses rat off the halfway house steps and onto a passing National Guard truck, boucning off it and onto the stage again(entertaining the troops one way or another).3) Eddie Hinton makes good use of his constraint and blues-soul-country compulsions (and their cost), rehabbing just long enough to play up to all the instruments, and write most of the songs and arrangements, and wind and sometimes shred his husky-cute to wirrrred mod-poboy voice, on the first two volumes of The Songwriter Sessions, which are mostly great demos, but the current Vol 3 is mostly just demos. 4) The closest I've seen to an extended piece on Outlaw marriage is Guralnick on Charlie and Margaret Ann Rich (who wrote some of his best songs). Charlie was too musically and emotionally hyphenated to fit anywhere really comfortably, and certainly something of a lower-case outlaw/contrarian. (Though the most public moment of that was prob when he was supposed to announce John Denver as the winner in that TV awards ceremony, and somehow the envelope caught fire.)5) Holy crap, xxhuxx was right about Rebel Meets Rebel! Metal thud meets boogie bounce, wonder if Charlie Daniels has heard this? So, were Pantera any good on their own?

don, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

>So, were Pantera any good on their own? <

Hells no! And as George says, they're not really boogieing better than your average bar band even with Coe fronting them. George hates the record; I guess I don't mind them being an average bar band; they're funky enough, and Coe manages to be Coe-worthy on top. Sure beats the rigid-assed thrash tedium they've always settled for.

I have no memory of the Driveby Truckers' "Easy On Yourself"; don't seem to've mentioned it up above, when I discussed the album, which I apparently liked less than Frank does. Song must've slipped right by me. And the album's no longer in my vicinity, so I can't check it.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

I feel a bit sorry for them after seeing the Pantera special on VH1 twice. They really did wind up as an unintentionally macabre tale of white trash woe. But Pantera was a band that live and died by its tightness and precision power thrash, a fact every surviving member and hagiographer are quick to remind you all the time on the documentary. They elevated the image of masonry nail-eating, whisky-chugging hirsute fighting men to nauseau-and-headache inspiring levels. What would be rebellious would be if they stopped calling themselves rebels and joined the army, already.

Dimebag or no, or Coe, they're never going to be more than a lousy to fair boogie band, regardless of who plays guitar. You don't deliver pepperoni pizza in cement mixer, so to speak. And that's why I didn't like the record. "Penitentiary Blues" has more groove and good I-IV-V from the studio hacks hired by Toilet Roll Teddie.

Anyway, out of sympathy, I'll probably give it another listen. But...


George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)


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