― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 August 2002 22:19 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ron (ron), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 01:18 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 06:48 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:01 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'm one of the new boys. I know this because I googled my way in (social suicide around here huh) a few weeks ago and wrote a few antagonistic stroke mindless stroke keen like Roy posts which caused me to be systamatically ripped up by several of the rug'lars.
However, rather than being put off, I realised that I had discoverd a wonderful forum filled with wonderful people with wonderful things to say. And so I remain. Can't comment too much on old versus new ilx but I would say that what we seem to have here is a pretty vibrant stroke entertaining stroke enlightening forum. If it was even more so in the days of yore then, well, damn und blast.
Anyway, on a more personal note, if I properly hacked anyone off or anyone feels that my posts are totally for shit then I am most dreadfully sorry.
― Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 08:21 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 09:05 (twenty-two years ago) link
Also, I find it very unfortunate that Dave Q isn't posting threads anymore - they had become probably my most favorite thing on ILM.
― Patrick, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 09:53 (twenty-two years ago) link
This shift is irreversible whether people liked "Old ILM" or not. With the shift comes certain responsibilities, too - like thinking of the board as a 'community' and trying to be friendly to 'newcomers', neither of which the old ILM cared at all about.
(The "offputting to newcomers" argument I pretty much reject anyway. Most posters are made of sterner stuff I'd hope particularly since every internet forum since the internet began has had this exact same conversation, including many where I've been the 'newbie' and my general attitude has been 'sod that, I like it and I'm staying'.)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 10:04 (twenty-two years ago) link
I haven't been sweary to anybody yet, and I think the closest I got to rudeness was my overly facetious attitude to the first Q I saw Roger F. post, but I know that I've gone crassly stomping into some threads with a HERE'S MY OPINION negative attitude, threads that maybe I should just have ignored (eg Postcard Bands) - it's just that with some -ve opinions that have burnt a hole in your mind for 20 years or so, the chance to publicly vent them is jumped on! And often, as I tried to touch upon in a recent thread, I think music you hate can be as 'important' as music you love.
I get annoyed when people come to ILM and go 'oh ILM thinks this' and 'ILM thinks that', but only because in my eyes if you post to ILM you're part of it (also because they're usually dead wrong)
I'm probably guilty of what Tom has described there - but, when you first start trawling around these parts, you do come to thinking that there are certain attitudes which are a kind of 'ILM aesthetic' (eg, very broadly, the 'pop' over 'rock' idea, sophisticated dismissals of certain difficult-to-define ideas/attitudes which are 'naive' or CLOSE_YR_EYES_MARKS 'rockist' OPEN_EYES_AND_RELAX, an unequivocal celebration of wide-ranging eclecticism etc.)
I stumbled into this forum because I had for months already been going through a phase of obsessive re-interest in a particular musical period and its meaning to me, and googling a genre term led me here - but it has already become (disturbingly) addictive to keep reading these boards, and I really don't want anything bad to happen to them.I have been wondering over the last couple of weeks whether I'm capable of having an interesting opinion on anything - but having just read Tom's last sentence, maybe I'll try to adopt that attitude.
― Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 10:12 (twenty-two years ago) link
should have been '....learn enough to paddle in deeper waters' or some equally inventive non-writer cliché.
― Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 10:16 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 13:20 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 13:24 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 13:37 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 14:45 (twenty-two years ago) link
― maura (maura), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 14:49 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q fan club (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 14:51 (twenty-two years ago) link
― robin (robin), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 16:50 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 16:59 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I've never seen such pointed obsessiveness, opinion bashing, "ultimate decisions" (all this C/D and S/D shite), and the like -- quite the opposite of an informed, developing discussion of music. This thing should be called "I Stalk Music".
― mosurock (mosurock), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
heh, we've even talked abt how 'circular' the threads get.
I enjoy talking shit but the ans would be that you never know: a common topic will be explored differently by someone new...there might some interesting things when you least expect. and then you can get into flame wars...all good fun.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link