Sasha Frere-Jones: Really?????

If you don't appreciate advanced chord changes, you have no taste in music. Stop making fun of this guy because he has more taste than you.

Sondre Lerche is amazing, btw, but his first two albums were his best, and he hasn't managed to follow them. Partly because the production has been too "rough" on the followers. The first two were more polished-sounding, which suited him better.

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lol geir droppin' the lerche bomb

this shit is on like donkey kong

A) I too miss hip-hop’s blues-based swing.
B) I really like the myers article, and am pretty sure that for the most part formal innovation lost its way sometime in the last 20-30 years or so.

Was there already a clusterfuck thread about the Doom article in the NYer?

dunno if there's been a thread. I didn't even read that thing, I was surprised they published that piece after SFJ wrote a big Madvillainy article not that long ago.

Geir I hate to break this to you but there's no such thing as an "advanced chord change"

Pretty sure the bard class was able to play an "advanced chord change" once it got to 12th level.

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saving throw against Gm7b5

i've been aug'n all my chords lately, shit sounds so smart

but then i might just throw in a diminished, keep it fresh you know?

my thing on piano right now is anchoring the chord on the 6 - instant fake bill evans

i like to use a sus4, really give it that BREAKING NEWS feel

oh man I am seriously feeling that, like to add the sus4 passing from tonic to either 4 or minor 6th

woah bust the scientifical j0hn, i'm feelin' that shit.

burial may have only played to a hundred stoned hippies in hoodies but all of those stoned hippies went home and started dubstep message boards

i know this is like 100 posts ago but its only been an hour and i just wanted to drop an appreciative "lol"

no you see, it's kind of like a knock knock joke, so it's not funny

Geir I hate to break this to you but there's no such thing as an "advanced chord change"

Yes, there is, and the middle eight in "Two Way Monologue" - Lerches best song - is a perfect example of it.

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No, Geir. You like the chords. No chord change is "advanced." They're all one chord to another chord. What passes for theory in your concept of music is a total joke. Don't talk about things you don't know about, thanks, yr buddy, jd

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in your defense there does seem to be one other person on the internet who believes the term "advanced chord change" has meaning

Some chord changes are more advanced than others. The most boring and unimaginative variant there is is various incarnations of Major I - Major IV - Major V. Typically found in musically inferior genres like country, folk, 50s rock'n'roll and R&B.

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(Advances chord changes most be plural to give any meaning, as it is the combination of changes and not just one change that gives meaning to the term)

The typical clever type of chord changes - like the examples above - is changing key all the time, confusing the listener, and sort of requiring some sort of musicological schooling to really be able to appreciate it. Quality music is about the mind, not the body!

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yo fuck some sort of musicological schooling, i got ears they work fine

moonship if I can't find out what that image was going to be I am going to bust some advanced chord changes of sorrow

The typical clever type of chord changes - like the examples above - is changing key all the time, confusing the listener, and sort of requiring some sort of musicological schooling to really be able to appreciate it.

lol Geir you troll you, anybody with any schooling knows better than to make sweeping claims like the ones you speciaize in, back under the bridge with you now

frank gambale and geir are the only two people with enough musicological schooling to understand advanced chord changes

it's not just me right? I mean my dad played jazz piano for 40 years and I can't conceive of him talking about "advanced chord changes"

"yes, son, I-IV is very simple. IIm-VIaugb5, that's a very complex chord change."

I just made up that 2nd chord btw hope everybody enjoys it

dont be mean john u know that only frank gambale and geir will understand your joke about advanced chord changes

Vlaugb5 was used alot by Arnold Schönberg. It's advanced, but it sounds horrible....

I do love how you can't have an advanced chord change, but in the plural, the new world of Gambale's Advancement kicks in

Advanced Chord Changes sounds like some kind of horrific textbook they use at Hongro University

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The guy on the right looks super familiar . . .

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"learning to fire people who hear chord changes"

"if it's me and your grandma playing banjo, it's the Fall"

geir making with the funny login names is kinda diluting his essential geirness for me.

i mean his posts here are classic material but the cop to the human emotion called humor feels like the curtain's been pulled back a little.

yea srsly geir has a self-awareness that takes away from the geirbot aspect imo

it makes perfect sense to me, just the way he attempts humour is always robotic and stiff and perfectly in-character. you can just imagine a computer program "search: phrase ending with word rhymes with geir"

this thread = serious LOLs, but this took the cake: "then i go to a party here where someone's playing dubstep & it looks like an IT dude with a ponytail is playing Quake while he DJs this generation's IDM to some stoned hippies in hoodies".

I didn't really appreciate dubstep until I heard Mala dj and what he played was pretty much anti-IDM, which is what a lot of the best dubstep is IMO. Not to say that I think it is formally against IDM (if that is even possible), just that for me the best of the genre pushes the opposite kind of buttons: basically extremely swung unfussy tough beats and bass lines that are simultaneously quiet storm and jungle tear-outs. It grooves. His mixing style was totally fresh, too. He created a build and tension using techniques like silence or near-silence between tracks, melodic and rhythmic juxtapositions with ultra-short blends, drop-ins of vintage reggae. All vinyl, too.

breaking down ald0us huxley's DOORS OF PERCEPTION right?

then i go to a party here where someone's playing dubstep & it looks like an IT dude with a ponytail is playing Quake while he DJs this generation's IDM to some stoned hippies in hoodies.

Just popping in to say that doing this would have been my dream at about age 19, although it'd probably have been something even dorkier than dubstep at the time.

Ha!

I seriously love this thread. Well here comes one of the dubstep bloggers, and not even Martin Clark, one of the annoying little autists! Jesus Christ, that shit pisses me off. Do you know how hard you have to grind to get indie rock kids into dubstep? That's some supremely intelligent marketing, Kode 9 really is quite the master of manipulation. Between Burial and this Wonky farce he's unleashed, god I love the man's music.

Seriously his deep tunes have pull to them, they've investigated sound as violence. Rhythm war.

He's a fucking recording engineer! Some of these beats learned from riot squad techniques!

The thing about Dubstep is that while most of the rest of Europe was listening to boom time Minimal and Electrohouse, Dubstep is recession music. For the ones who felt it earliest! The mentally ill and the poor!

It stole away some of the best producers in Grime's day, and saw them take the combination of Dancehall and House farther than its paranoid electro. The aforementioned Mala is one part Larry Heard and one part riddim maker, and Coki was a fuckin rudeboy! He went from making some of the subtlest digital reggae this side of Rhythm and Sound to making Digital Fart Noise for Chavs! Fucking Sponge Bob is more punk than its heavy metal, and retarded gutter punk for that measure. This stuff is more abrasive than Justice!

Its so weird to have every single producer you love be really deeply obscure while the worst is on public display. It'll shut you up, make you second guess yourself. And then there's the wonderful house thats coming from some of my fellow IT looking nerds (I've worked in factories for years, I didn't eat at times to listen to this music on vinyl) who used to be into dubstep. Pangaea, Pearsall Sound, all the Funky Dilettantes.

I know that this argument is more about inverted elitism than the music, but still it bothers me to see something I love so much get used as a critical football. Deej, I respect your opinions, especially regarding Chart Rap and Funky. I just dont see why if you can love Gucci Mane, why you can't be interested in maybe digging a little to understand Dubstep. Even as a social phenomenon? I know its very Coast, San Francisco and New York mostly, but its got some really deep roots in now. It already seems to have aroused your intellectual curiosity at the very least, those early nights in Chicago were pretty bad.

If you listen to some Burial (Portishead for the 09 hipster), some Caspa and Rusko (dubstep's Smack My Bitch Up), and then some annoyingly limp minimal crossover. What is there to like?

Respect to John D, you should start recording black metal.

If you've already done so, I'd like to hear it.

"requiring some sort of musicological schooling to really be able to appreciate it. Quality music is about the mind, not the body!"

Just when I think Geir can amaze me no more than he already has.

Btw, that Steely Dan song he linked suuuuuuuucks, advanced chord change and all.

"Advanced chord changes"? LOL

Geir studied music, right? How come he knows so little about it?

looool @ everything in here

Some chord changes are more advanced than others.

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