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Christ, that is horrific. Queen for the 70s?!!?!?!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Robbie Williams and Cliff Richard - bookends or what?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Cliff is far more tolerable - what is Cliff's actual ratio of good songs to bad songs do you think?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Very low I'd say. Not that he didn't have a few.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

They're all fucking pantomime acts.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And I don't mean they're shafting donkeys.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Well it is wacky old "He's behind you! Where? There!" Britain voting

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i know it's the most cliched thing ever (apart from the man himself) to moan about how over-rated Robbie Williams is in this country, but still - WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU BRITAINLAND?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

We like a trouper, Gawd bless 'em. Queen Mother came down 'ere during the Blitz. Nice cup o' Rosie Lee, luv?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Britain loves losers, can't handle genuinely talented people as winners, shockah

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the country where Michael Barrymore and Ant & Dec have been described, at one point or another, as "national treasures"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Cliff is possibly the closest to being right, although quite how seriously you can take a 50s poll that excludes Hank Williams as a voting option is another matter.

Actually, scratch that - I just checked his official discography and there's only 5 singles and two album of (mainly) covers in the 50s. Aside from "Move It", the singles are pretty patchy. I had always assumed "Lucky Lips" was earlier than 1963.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hate to be rockist here, but shoulda been Chuck Berrry

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a funny way to spell Karlheinz Stockhausen.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The winners do all get interred in some sort of mausoleum as part of the ceremony though don't they? That might explain the voting.

Nice to see our Cliff beat off all nine septics for his place. Colostomy bag and all.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

HE WAS WAITING FOR A TUBE AT MILE END THE MONEY WAS ONLY RESTING IN HIS ACCOUNT

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh? He certainly caught a tube up one end I hear.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck Stockhausen OR Karlheinz Berry - it's an injustice, I tell ya

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

their recently unearthed collaboration is a gem

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I see nobody is debating the Rolling Stones for the 60s. And quite right too. Mad not to have given them an automatic, along with the Beatles.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The Rolling Stones? That's a strange way of spelling John Coltrane.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Cliff is possibly the closest to being right, although quite how seriously you can take a 50s poll that excludes Hank Williams as a voting option is another matter.
Actually, scratch that - I just checked his official discography and there's only 5 singles and two album of (mainly) covers in the 50s. Aside from "Move It", the singles are pretty patchy. I had always assumed "Lucky Lips" was earlier than 1963.
-- aldo_cowpat (aldo.cowpa...) (webmail), November 12th, 2004. (link)

Hey, if Robbie Williams had been put in the fifties' category, he'd have won that!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

James Brown influence arguably as great if not greater - guess he didn't sell as many records tho

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Fill this in:

"Wow, xxx won the xx'ties? That's a real surprise!"

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a toss up between U2 and Keiji Haino for the 90s, a moody old twat dressed in black with rock 'n' roll shades and Bono

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

If Robbie Williams' dad had been put in the 50s category, he'd have won it.

But that says more about YER AVERAGE MUG PUNTER than anything else, I think.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If Robbie Williams had been put in the "Best England Footballer Of Last 100 Years" category he would have won.

Bizarrely, James Brown has only ever had one top ten single in Britain - "Living In America."

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

And in the sixties, he had a hit with "It's a daft daft daft world".

Or was that the other James Brown?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

December 25th, the day Britland celebrates the birth of our Lord Robbie Christliams

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"All hail to he who was born to be King"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"We all sit and wait.."

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's A Daft Daft Daft World" by the same James Brown only got to #13.

In contrast, during the '60s Val Doonican and the Bachelors had about a dozen top ten hits apiece.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

so Britain was rubbish then as well? wow

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

We've always been rubbish, Gawd bless us, have a cup o' Rosie Lee luv.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

fankoo guvnor, ere yoo got a funny accent where yoo from then?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Coar bloimey mayte wirr in a roight tao an eyght, aint we Murry Pappins?

― Dick van Dyke Parks, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

On the one hand, finding fault with any list seems a little futile. Better to work out what the list is, i.e., how it was made. In this case, it's no more or less than a product of the Hall Of Fame Steering Group, viz.:

Sir George Martin Music Producer

Emily Eavis Glastonbury Festival Organiser

Trevor Nelson Broadcaster/ Presenter

Conor McNicholas Editor of NME

Keith Harris MD of Keith Harris Music Ltd - Music Industry Manager and Consultant

Paul Gambaccini Broadcaster and Music Historian

Nick Philips Chairman, Warner Music UK Ltd

Alison Wenham Chairman and Chief Executive, Aim Ltd

Jo Whiley Broadcaster and Music Fan

Tony Wilson Independent Record Company Boss and TV Journalist

Tim Clark Director, IE Music

Tim Bowen Chairman, BMG Music Publishing

Lucian Grainge Chairman, Universal Music

Graham Pullen Head of Special Events, Clear Channel

Simon Wright Chief Executive, Virgin Entertainment Group International

Alex James Artist

Jill Sinclair CEO, SPZ Group

Rob Stringer Managing Director, Sony Music UK

Moira Bellas Managing Director of MBC PR

Mark Ellen Editor of Word Magazine

Dave Stewart Artist, Writer, Producer

Tony Wadsworth Chairman and CEO, EMI Music UK and Ireland

Doug Morris Chairman and CEO, Universal Music

Bernard Doherty Music Publicist

On the other hand, it can be fun to watch people talking nonsense. Here are some real fatuities from the '90s programme [from here]:

We will never see the like of the Spice Girls again.

Booking the Albert Hall was a risk no-one but Robbie Williams could have pulled off.

Music will never be the same since Kurt Cobain died.

Robbie Williams singlehandedly revived the swing genre.

Keith Flynt singing "Firestarter" is an image that will be forever frozen in our minds.

Every man wants to be Robbie and every woman wants to shag him.

Nirvana killed metal.

"Angels" hit a note with everybody.

The Prodigy took rave out of the fields and into the chart.

No-one has sold more albums or newspapers than Robbie Williams.

― Acme (acme), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it touching that they managed to slip one black person into the 5 Automatic Entrants list. Not that black people have made much of a contribution to popular music, mind.

― Masked Gazza, Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Jo Whiley Broadcaster and Music Fan

Nice that they had one music fan on the list...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i could be a fan of music enough to be able to declare it as an occupation

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i suppose one should remember that this is called a Hall of Fame and not a Hall Of Talent, Ability or Vision. the latter would make a fantastic TV programme but nobody would vote in or watch it.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

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