...I cry now.
― cis (cis), Monday, 27 October 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Dude, that's not cool.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 27 October 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
Well, Jim certainly looks pleased.
http://www.jimsteinman.com/wwwboard/jim198.gif
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 27 October 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 27 October 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
"And I need you now tonight / I fuckin need you more than ever"
"Beautiful" is ass.
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 27 October 2003 19:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 27 October 2003 22:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― robin (robin), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
If there's a problem with Diane Warren/Celine Dion effect it's that it has tended to iron out all eccentricity in the power ballad. That's partly why Bedingfield's "If You're Not The One" is so great, and why "Never Gonna Leave Your Side" or whatever it was is so drab.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 October 2003 23:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ah, bless you Mr. Finney. Again you are a genius. :-) But yeah, this sums it up. There is also very little sense of...well, 'camp' is such a loaded word, but the lack of same in favor of sheer pointless formalism in so many of these ballads is wearying. I was thinking of this in particular when watching an episode or two of Pop Idol with Martin during my UK trip, the sheer dullness of one soundalike ballad after another -- more than a few selections coming from Ms. Warren's pen in particular, I seem to recall -- made the whole exercise pure pain. There was nothing to get excited about, no reason to care.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 00:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 05:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
the song is indeed camp, overproduced, manipulative tosh - and i LOVE it. although maybe it's because i remember asking this cute girl maria to slow dance in grade 7 to this song and she said yes, so i guess it has some sort of significance on a personal level only...
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 09:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Like Rob says, it's great BECAUSE it's so overblown, camp and manipulative.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 22:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
that just reeks of some stuck-in-1992 gen-X cliche
― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
HTH
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 04:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 04:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
they are not as long as there's an element of 'smarts' to it - not necessarily irony. also if you apply these to other genres (rock, dance) you will surely then have a pop single anyway?
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
In a 500 page novel if the overblowness etc isn't there all the way through it could be tolerable. Same with a movie: certain awful scenes but its a two hour thing.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think there is space for grandiose but it is precisely bcz its all concentrated in a 3 minute pop single that it makes it 'bad' to me. Maybe if you played this in a disco it would be fine but I just don't understand how anyone could listen to this kind of thing at home.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
yes, 'we' are better than you.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hey, I didn't say that everything that's bloated and camp and manipulative is great. In this case, however, I just relish the it's a big, melodramatic wedding cake of a song. Is it entirely ridiculous? Of course, but it's crafted with so much loving care that I find it hard not to appreciate.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
They aren't. Not neccessarily. Not when done by the likes of Genesis or Yes, that is, in a tastefull and sophisticated fashion.
Hair metal ballads don't fit into that positive category though
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is an oxymoron.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
however,i was curious whether more people would be sympathetic to julio's arguement/reasons if we were talking about my heart will go on or something...
also,i was only a kid,but what did people think of this song when it was first released?
― robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link