"I hear Kanye's voice!! let's dance."
o_O if anyone has ever actually thought/said this
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
ameries 1st album>>>>the more recent ones.
rihannas PDSTM is the best R&B single of 08 IMO.
my reaction to kanye now is more like ""I hear Kanye's voice!! im a bit sick of this guy now."
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
great work on shitting up the thread, cheers.
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
xp woops re "feedback"
also, "Take Control" by Amerie is the jam of all jams, fwiw
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
n/p
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean this is all vintage material, but totally irrelevant.
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
xp to Bmore: I don't think the point is Kanye's voice so much as its signifier of a hiphop/r&b context rather than a dahnce context.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
fwiw, I love all of Amerie's albums, just some moreso than others
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm hoping Lil Jon takes this up a la "The Anthem" and just goes head first into a house/crunk movement
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
seriously what's better than "The Anthem" answer nothing
stfu
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry, i love music
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
there are sort of two trends going on right now in r&B - snap-type stuff (e.g. "touch my body"), and totally synthed-out, house/trance-type stuff (" love in this club," " killa" , anything produced by the runners & ryan leslie, all the songs I mentioned upthread..)
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
As much as I love Pitbull, it kinda saddens me to see "The Anthem" doing better than "Calabria 2007" (which, soz Preview, is much better) on the US charts.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
clusterfuck thread about r&b music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>clusterfuck thread about estelle's race
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i didn't believe my brother the other night when he told me that that pitbull joint isn't a mashup
uh it's not about her race.
xpost
great post
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
both are pretty good imo but i like 'calabria' better
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
It seems that, "The Way I Are" aside, there's actually kind of a weird divide between the 4x4-beat house stuff and trance-synth stuff, which seems to go more for a slow, opulent, crunk-based half-beat feel.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Lil Jon's "verse" on "The Anthem" is like the greatest most hilariously amazing thing I've ever heard in my life. It's glorious.
and yeah "Calabria" blah blah but you're post above about r&pop signifiers is so OTM for this conversation i almost want to quote you against yourself
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess "Low" might be a faster exception, but the beat is still crunk-based, rather than house-based. xp to myself
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, and add Charlie Wilson's "Let It Go" to the list of 4x4 r&b singles.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah you're probably right, "love in this club" is more crunk than house
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
gap band charlie wilson? lol
yea the two styles have different points of influence or whatever, I think the new usher, all that new synthy shit is taking its cues from euro trance and slowing it way down, like borrowing the sound of the synths and even sampling them (wiz khalifa) but the other side is more of an early 80s dance/pop/r&b influence
but yeah I totally agree that there are two parallel trends that might not really have much to do with each other
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i think the 4x4 angle is getting a little overplayed, esp. as far as singles go-- i mean what are the biggest r&b songs on the radio right now? "with you", "bleeding love", "like you'll never see me again", "no air"? none of these are really breaking any ground
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
xxp: that's him, I posted it in rolling r&b if you want to hear. It's alright, not great.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
the biggest are "i remember," "falsetto," "sexy can i","love in the club" and "like you'll never see me"
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
love in this club and like that new mario song don't seem that out of the ordinary or that much like crunk to me-- just good r&bish songs but nothing worthy of trendwatching as far as polow goes
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
"falsetto" and "love in this club" being the on-trend ones, "like you'll never see me again" and "i remember" = pretty standard ballads.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
sarge: Well, of course. There are always going to be vanilla ballads on r&b radio, but that's not really a trend so much as a fact of life.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
What's "I Remember"?
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
do any of the ones just mentioned fit into the "Please don't stop the music" 4x4 trend? isn't "with you" like chris brown's country song ???
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
keyshia cole
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
and the way i are and don't stop the music aren't r&b songs and it's kinda stupid for people to treat them as such imo just because they are done by vaguely r&B artists
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
nope, none fit the 4/4 trend... but you should check out "ditch that" by the-dream if you haven't heard it
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah some of the album tracks on love/hate and that new ne-yo song are more of where i see the 4x4 trend
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
love that song
xp house pretty much is r&b though
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Sarge: they aren't really, but their certainly being listened to and absorbed by r&b audiences and more importantly, r&b artists. Also, "Sexyback" is the true starting point of this trend.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
"My Love" !!!!
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
for both trends maybe
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
sarge how are they not R&B
― deej, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
of those two i could only buy the way i are as r&b because of tim's past and cuz keri hilson is on it, 'please don't stop the music' isn't that far away from 's.o.s.' or 'break it off' or other stuff that rihanna has done
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
"My Love" = starting point of the trance-synth side of the coin, but "Sexyback" for the 4x4 beat. (Then Timbo got the great idea to combine the two for "The Way I Are".)
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah "my love" was kind of the start of this whole trance&b thing no?
I can see why sarge wouldn't consider DSTM R&B, since Rihanna is pretty much a pure pop singer
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
yo americans, if you're so big up on this house r&b stuff, you guys should check out some of the biggest R&B singles in the UK: Kelly Rowland - Work (Freemasons Remix) and Taio Cruz - Come On Girl
― danzig, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
as for what rev says about r&b people consuming those songs-- if youre talking about radio i think that's only because urban top 40 and pop radio have some type of overlap, i mean the station here that plays ruben studdard and gerald levert would never play don't stop the music or the way i are where as the stations that play flo rida and miley cyrus play those two all day
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
love in this club is basically a rip of my love imo-- the way the synths are so layered in the first 5 seconds of both, its almost identical
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, so where do things like "Sensual Seduction" and "I'm So High/"She's So Fly" fit into this picture?
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
well the station that plays reuben studard and gerald levert is like.. urban ac.. which isn't really the go-to format for cutting edge music... but "Way I Are" got played on Ryhthmic/R&B and Urban stations.. as well as top 40/pop.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link