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― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link
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― noizem duke (noize duke), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Alternatively, they'll take the hint, become even more hipsterishly abrasive and sell lots of records to the skull-attired coke-snorting nihilists who think that giving a fuck about issues is gay.
― acb (acb), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Wow, whatever - your life story could be mine.
Except for the whole 'getting a job and not being discriminated for my ethnicity' part.
But I really, truly identify, man.
― WTF, Friday, 11 November 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― acb (acb), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
was it like how it's described in the article?
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link
its kinda like that ny times article a few years ago about the trucker hat, where the nytimes lady interviewed some drunk hipster at the pussycat lounge and he told her that there's a code to the trucker hat. if you wear it cocked to the left, youre from the east village. to the right, williamsburg. up and left, means youre a gay man from chelsea. down and right means west village, etc. then they printed that in the ny times sunday style section and we all had an enormous laugh.
anyways, the party is pretty fun. jeremy (mr. pumpsta) is kinda insane though.
― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
youre joking, right?
― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― acb (acb), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
and why is this getting more attention when you can go to ANY club in america and you'll find white people grinding or doing the toosie roll or whatever?
there honestly isn't anything different about this party than most any other party ive ever been to.
i never saw a bucket of fried chicken either.
also, i do not have a trust fund.
― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
phil-two, i kinda maybe believe you that this wasn't as bad as portrayed in the article, but i dunno there's some problematic stuff going on there that's not just our imaginations, i'd bet.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
or like that time in the 1990's when NYT ask sub pop employees about grungespeak.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 12 November 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 November 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabombo, Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Racism isn't just the province of Klansmen and white-supremacists.
― acb (acb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link
also, i had a party that was ironically ny-hipster circa 2002. nobody else got it tho and they all asked me to change out the electroclash for other music. :-(
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 12 November 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― acb (acb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― amon (eman), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
probably not any more or less awkward than any other party where most people are white, and a group of five black folks from any particular social/class demographic just wandered in.
― phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, it isn't non-white's job to teach us about this stuff, just like it isn't women's job to teach men about sexism. Asking people to "teach" or enlighten you is IMO putting them into the same "other with specialized knowledge" position that got us into this mess. Also note that this is different than just listening to what people have to say, or going out and reading, say a book on white privilege and asking folks for their take on what you've learned.
It's early for me and my brain is slow, but try some of Bell Hooks' stuff for starters. I hope I made a little sense, a lot of the white responses I've read here make me sad and frustrated.
― sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
OTM, but since I usually only talk about crap on the Internet all day, that's basically how I deal with EVERYTHING, not just race. haha
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't choose to 'muck in and deal with it' because arguing on ILM is futile to me. Not because I'm trying to put myself above the whole arguement, but because often you guys' opinions are so far from my reality that it would be pointless to engage with you on this whole Cocoracist issue. I just cut out the middle man and agree that we disagree. It saves time and a helluva lot of frustration.
― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link
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