The thought of the new Beyonce or Justin album fills me with instant ennui (and dig my CoM cheerleading for both back in the 2003 day).
Whereas I'm looking forward to the new M Ward, the new Bonnie Prince Billy, and *whisper it* the new Junior Boys.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link
but so is the new justin!
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link
"I get much more out of Lambchop or Wilco than..."
jesus, you guys really have given up. should we take you out behind the barn and shoot you?
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link
You stupid fucking idiot.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link
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― mark 0 (mark 0), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link
My tastes appear to be going in exactly the opposite direction from yours, Sick Mouthy!
― except she got a little more ass (cis), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Speaking of jesus, here's my confession: To a much greater extent than I would like to admit, my tastes are influenced by the "praise and worship" music I heard at my parents' church between the ages of 8 and 16.
I wish there were a better reason why I prefer the beautiful/epic over the gritty/urban, but I suspect that most of the reasons I've come up with are largely a cover-up...
― jackl (jackl), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link
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Eskiboy doens't WORK on your iPod if you walk along a Devon seawall to get to the train station every morning. You'd look and feel like a cretin.
And Scott, as for the "tedium" and "couldn't write a memorable song" stuff, well, has it occured to you that different people like different records and that doens't make them morons or Nazis? Wilco and Lambchop are two deliberately contentious artists that I used; I could have easily said Guillemots or Midlake or Faux Pas or Patrick Wolf or whatever. Or Embrace! Or Final Fantasy or blah blah blah. But I know full-well what signifiers Wiclo carry on this board. What IS memorable or not tedious to you? People have different brains, dude.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link
What type of attitude is that? Cognitive dissonance is a brilliant thing.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm kind of done with free jazz and noize-ish stuff, but I'm not feeling a lot of mainstream jazz either (esp. piano or guitar-heavy stuff).
I think reggaeton kind of sucks.
I don't listen to classical music and that makes me feel kind of dumb, musically.
I don't really like indie rock or punk rock and have never listened to Pavement, Yo La Tengo, etc. etc., but I do like the rock bands that my friends play in.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Cognitive dissonance is a brilliant thing.
Yeah but I don't always want it from music.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
I have no problem suspending my disbelief where 'manufactured' pop is concerned but I DO need some amount of effortlessness in the final product to get there. Which may be rockist who knows. But I don't really like rock music that strikes me as 'meta' either so there could be something consistent in this.
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
You see, that's what Otis Redding did, except it was the manner of his bleat which mattered, and the emotions behind it, plus the Stax beat was anything but a dull plod - I mean, Al Jackson FFS!
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link
I also have trouble listening to music where "the drummer sucks". However, I don't feel I'm missing as much there.
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
I love how the poptimist Nazis never ever ever recognise that maybe, just maybe, they're being as small-minded as the people they bitch about AND THEN SOME.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
lots of stuff! almost everything that isn't wilco! i want to save people with brains from wilco! cuz their is SO MUCH stuff out there that is truly memorable and vibrant and entertaining and exciting, and they have always struck me as deadly and dudly. but that's cool. yeah, we are all different. your home looks like my home.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
feh.. R'n'B is just pop with a bit more 'soul' (in the black sense) to me. The hardest thing to get your head around is just that there's a whole different canon of approaches to writing a sappy love song that if you've grown up an indie kid take some getting used to. Sounding like a huge r'n'b fan myself now... I don't go looking for it, but then I don't go in search of good indie rock like it actually matters these days either.. both are a little peripheral to my general tastes.
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link
what? the attitude of all poptimists i know, dom and ed o apart, to the charts is basically "botherd. do people still buy cd singles?"
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― except she got a little more ass (cis), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link
The Rolling Stones had some cool singles.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link
And there's no indie rock or metal or nu-emo that presses these same buttons for you?
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link
The trouble is the flipside of that for a lot of house people seems to be the deathly dull purism and real ale soul/jazz/funkateer-ness of the "been there done that I NOW KNOW MYSELF FULLY" tedious worthiness crowd.
In the middle I guess would be Inaya Day.. who I can get along with fine.
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link
-- DJ Mencap
no, there's tons!
and I'm not even going to start on emo/nu-compression-rock (i.e. whatever the hell kids punk about to lately).
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
But what I find with most older R'n'B and Soul is that the songs actually touch me and don't just contain empty paens to nothing at all. "He's Mistra Know It All", "Ain't No Sunshine", "What's Going On" to name but three which actually have well thought out lyrical content. And although my knowledge of Otis is pretty slim, as you say it is the manner of his singing which matters whereas many of the female (and male) R'n'B groups coming out are carbon-copying what has gone before with the emotion disappearing each time.
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Most of the sins that I feel that I had when I was younger I think I've shed. I used to consider myself an elitist gladly, while listening to the metal/industrial hybrids of the '90s (KMFDM, Stabbing Westward, etc.), something that embarrasses me now when I go back to listen to those bands. But what I'd feel most sucks now is that I always feel like I have a really superficial understanding of music, especially music theory as it relates to the music I like. I like a lot of skronk jazz or weird psych or even radio pop, but I frequently stumble on explaining why I like it. I also don't like that people around me still seem to think of me as a snob when I try really hard not to be. I think that I give things a fair listen (though I'll also confess that I rarely give music the type of deep alienated attention that I did when I was younger), and then either I like 'em or I don't, and I don't ever feel like I'm telling other people that they can't like something (though I will admit that when I write my column that I tend to be overly-dismissive some times), but it's rare that I actively hate something. Far more often I'm just bored by it. I've been told it's because I'm not a musician that I can't understand why Wilco is so great, but frankly, they (especially recently) just bore the hell out of me. I kinda wish that I got it and could get the same thrill that other people seem to, and that's a recurring longing. I remember feeling it when hearing about Notwists' Neon Golden. The album just bores me, and I'd like to be able to understand what other people get out of it, but I can't. And again, I've been told that this is because I don't play an instrument, so I don't understand how music is constructed. And I worry, because more and more music that I see lauded feels the same way for me: not bad, just unexciting. I get a thrill out of Christina's No Other Man, but the whole Paris Hilton album leaves me cold. I want to be able to hear it the way Lex does, but I can't seem to.
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link
OTM. Yes, extreme Rockism is tedious, I don't count myself as Rockist because I listen to almost everything other than "commercial" pop and R'n'B, but a lot of the Poptimists do literally go around like a gestapo. The Lily Allen thread is absolutely incredible - I still don't know if some people were joking or not about her not being "real" and then banging on about Girls Aloud being "real". I mean, that's just Rockist ideology superimposed onto pop isn't it?
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link