Daft Punk - Human After All

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I have suspicions Human After All is headed for a Private Press - Deadringer-style situation with Bright Like Neon Love in the UK this year.

I know what Private Press and Deadringer are, but I don't know what their "situation" is/was, nor do I know what BLNL is. Can someone fill me in?

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Or, you know, like proper dancfloor-orientated music.

Considering this particular pop music act gave us "Around the World", how in blazes is this any more dancefloor-oriented, unless you're wearing leather pants?

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Barima was implying that Deadringer upstaged The Private Press somewhat by being the funkier, fresher cuz. BLNL is the Cut Copy album now being officially released in the UK in May featuring shades of DP 'great release' house at times.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, partly, yes (although TPP is very much the better album), but based on the public perception standpoint those two albums were tagged with. I'm thinking of something like: "Well, that DP record's a bit of a difficult 3rd album, yeah, but hey, this Cut Copy dude sounds a lot like the first 2 DP albums, that's what they shoulda made, yeah!" I definitely prefer BLNL right now, but not every critic or fan will (and won't, besides those who've not) take to HAA, possibly leading to a similar adoption scenario as that of 2002.

BARMS, Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Considering this particular pop music act gave us "Around the World", how in blazes is this any more dancefloor-oriented, unless you're wearing leather pants?

It isn't. But then its not exactly stretching the imagination for anyone to make exactly the same argument about Around The World, or Da Funk, both of which are about as minimal or repetetive as either of the two newer tracks you mention. Well, maybe not as beat-em-up movie music but you get where I'm coming from.

At the same time, I can't imagine anyone using a similar criticism of Digital Love or One More Time. Well, I could, but they would be WRONG.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

they were made in the happier time

Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The terrorists have won.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Da Funk" is brilliant! I miss it.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 March 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The liner notes to HAA:

"Paris, September 13 to November 9, 2004
All Guitars by Daft Punk"

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard a rumour that the guy who signed Daft Punk has left Virgin to start a new company and that this is DP's contractual obligation fulfillment to follow said music exec.

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

...after its release.

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not understand how anyone could not like "Robot Rock."

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not understand how the writing credits for "Robot Rock" could misspell "Homem-Christo".

i am nervous (cochere), Thursday, 10 March 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not understand how "all guitars" applies to 'Robot Rock'.

BARMS, Friday, 11 March 2005 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Ask Frank Kogan

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 March 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the Breakwater track is better i think

Sven Bastard (blueski), Friday, 11 March 2005 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

That's because it was made by real humans.

(Stevem's Robot Rockism)

BARMS ;-), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

there's just more to it

Sven Bastard (blueski), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah hang on now, Da Funk is possibly the most dancefloor orientated albumdance record of all time, that fucking gigantic "Controversy" bass drum!

I like HAA and it's a nice record but it's no better than lots of other nice records, like Le Dust Sucker's album. The only thing which really elevates it above many records is that it's so distinctly an album by Daft Punk, ie that they have a well developed character/schtick which is more agreeable than many.

Or in other words, a shit Daft Punk record is still pretty good.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, RF, that remains to be seen.

there's just more to it

I agree, but that 'Robot Rockism' gag was waiting to be born.

BARMS, Friday, 11 March 2005 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say though, to me a Deadringer/The Private Press situation is bad record/bad record. there is absolutely no way I can envisage preferring a Cut Copy record to a Daft Punk one. I mean if anyone outdoes DP it's already Vitalic, or else simply an assortment of singles in the electrohouse threads, not another artist who's been around as long.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 March 2005 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to admit I like a couple songs on the Cut Copy album more than some of the songs on Human After All

Also, it was weird seeing it in the Best Buy sunday circular.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you want to hear the latest rumors that are floating around here in Paris ?
-They have another new record (a real new record) that is finished
-HAA is just a way for them to end up their contract with Virgin, so they can follow Emmanuel de Buretel (who was the former boss of Virgin France)in his new company.
I can't tell you how much fiable these rumors are, but I find the story quite fascinating if they are true.

snowballing (snowballing), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

this is their teenage fanclub's "the king"?!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

two stars in today's Metro from the reliable Claire Allfree (tho she gives the Stereophonics three...) - i've not seen any other press reviews

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

other press reviews :

mojo - 4/5
uncut - 4/5
q- 2/5


and jo wiley was playing 'technologic' just now.

piscesboy, Monday, 14 March 2005 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

If they have another new record finished then thats awesome

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cut Copy record can't even be compared to HAA though, they're totally different. Cut Copy are indie for one thing. And not as good.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean if anyone outdoes DP it's already Vitalic, or else simply an assortment of singles in the electrohouse threads, not another artist who's been around as long.

You and Matt are missing the point, Ro. Especially you, Matt, for confusing Cut Copy with an indie band/Philippe Zdar's rockist shame. Do either of you actually understand the comparison?

To reiterate, here's Steve:

Barima was implying that Deadringer upstaged The Private Press somewhat by being the funkier, fresher cuz. BLNL is the Cut Copy album now being officially released in the UK in May featuring shades of DP 'great release' house at times.

As Nate Patrin also observed, the direct DP links in BLNL are from Discovery, which, need I point it out, was the last Daft Punk original music available for public consumption and therfore fresher in that consciouness than Homework. And hence the comment in bold.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, explain to me how the 'Take Me Out' remix fundamentally differs from some of the more indie dance moments on BLNL. For example.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you want to hear the latest rumors that are floating around here in Paris ?

Yeah, all those other rumors turned out to be true. ;)

Thing is, based on the lovers/haters ratio on this thread I expected more negative reviews/reactions than HAA is getting at the moment.

Omar (Omar), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen more public negatives than positives - The Sunday Times yesterday weren't feeling it (2/5), as weren't the Grauniard (2/5). Steve's noted Metro. I have to say, it's almost a nice suprise to see where the negatives are coming from.

The dance press are (obviously) more positive - Mixmag and DJ give it album of the issue status.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

wonder if it will make the top 20...

Matt DC had never even heard of Cut Copy last week! they're less indie more new wave revival i suppose. i didn't realise Zdar had had a hand in BLNL until last week either tho, i'm quite amazed by that.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't worry, Ste. If Mylo sold 100,000 last year, there's no way DP can't, no matter the press (Kish Kash also did good business ultimately, public/XL idiocy aside).

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i doubt HAA will sell anywhere near as much as either Mylo or Kish Kash actually, given the negative press and 'tired unimaginative schtick' aspect

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I love love love the stronger tracks here, and they're so strong that the weak ones don't really matter. However the only DP song I've loved prior to this is "Da Funk". Hmmmm.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Stylus gives it an A-

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

since what the duo’s debut, 1996’s Homework, lacked in substance, it almost made up for in sheer reference points

lack of substance? hmmmm

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

and iconic sleeve memorabilia to the “Another One Bites the Dust” stomp of “Da Funk”’s bass and drums

ha, wonder if he heard my bootleg

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

We won’t likely be hearing “Steam Machine” in clubs anytime soon

'au contraire' cries Mr Smagghe?

It’s the same story, track after track, willfully mistaking alternation for variation, intensification for development and dynamics. In other words, a shining example of pop songcraft in the 21st Century.

hmmmm...

Human After All more than lives up to its name, rendering a metaphor for failure on the grandest yet simultaneously most personal of terms.

nice point, but i don't get the A- as this review seems overly negative too

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(I was, to be fair, using the broad Ewingesque definition of indie which also encompasses the Scissor Sisters and Annie). I didn't say this was a bad thing though!

I don't like the CC album as much as HAA but its still enjoyable but the comparison seems overstated. The albums certainly aren't as close to each other in either sound or method as Deadringer is to The Private Press. And yeah, of course there's a big DP influence in there but the same is true of hundreds of records released over the past few years.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

This album has been brought to you by the letters "P" and "U."

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Matthew. Let me shed light like cats shed fur:

Shadow releases album wih recognisable shtick. Despite subsequently dumping 50% of said shtick inbetween albums to further embrace hardcore hip hop, surf rock, electro and techno, the follow-up resembles less his previous album and more the subsequent work, somehow confusing fans who have settled into a comfort xone of sorts.

Enter RJD2, whose debut album has shades of DJ Shadow's slow burn cross-genre instrumental hip hop, varied moody vs old school rappers-samples and inventive drum programming at times. With this and its general relative safe-playing vs the personal framework exploding/sidestepping and explorations of the rather more energetic second Shadow album, it acquires a large number of old-school Shadow fans who do not immediately spark up a blunt take to their former idol's sophomore effort.

I suggest that the negativity surrounding the current new Daft Punk release could potentially bestow such a similar fortune to the forthcoming wider release of the Cut Copy album, which qualifies for the comparison by being significantly influenced by an older act in the same business (first DP release 1994, first CC release: 1999/2000 - that's for Ronan) and for taking BLATANTLY OBVIOUS influence from a widely known previous album and sound from said act and infusing the end result with its own wider influences and, crucially, an easier to swallow accesibility/pop sensibility.

And any 'indie definition' of Annie that goes beyond her being on an idependent label sounds spurious and wrongheaded to me.

Bye!

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't wait to buy this at midnight tonight!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

(Sorry, I've been particularly dense today all over the place. Blame it on a lack of sleep. I think I must have somehow missed your middle post on this subject).

Whether the Cut Copy record will benefit from post-HAA disillusionment (Human After All being the Kid A to Cut Copy's Parachutes) it still doesn't change my basic point that the Cut Copy record is coming from a completely different place. They're both great pop records but, with the exception of one or two tracks, BLNL just doesn't feel like a house record to me whereas Discovery clearly does. The indie bit was a windup but it still feels like an indie-dance-pop record influenced by French house. Its all in the drums.

Whereas you could've release Deadringer as a DJ Shadow album and no one would have batted an eyelid.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

True, but Cut Copy do house also, "Glittering Clouds" for instance is like Avalanches+Daft Punk. I think they share certain sensibilities. I think Phoenix and The Avalanches (even Air) are part of the same continuum (which I'd love to discuss!).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Listening for the first time.

To me this is like an album of b-sides. The only track that really stands out to me is the title track and the artwork is fucking half-arsed as fuck.
Daft Punk have followed in the steps of their countrymen Air and gone for a simpler sound for their second albums rather than the all-out flamboyance of the second.
I just find it hard to believe that DP are happy with this release and wouldn't be surprised if the rumours about contractual obligation were true. How can the same band who did something as gorgeous and timely as Digital Love be content with something like Brainwasher?
It's not a truly terrible album but I can pretty much tell on first listen that like Talkie Walkie it won't have the staying power of Discovery or 10,000Hz the Legend.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, re: Air, I thought you were talking about Moon Safari.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The Stylus review is OTM. I've been saying all along that the whole thing is incredibly tongue in cheek.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(Actually I don't really agree with the notion that Deadringer was significantly closer to Endtroducing than The Private Press was. What lets the Private Press down in a battle between the three is that The Private Press just isn't as good, although I maintain its a decent record nonetheless).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)


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