"She Sells Sanctuary" by the Cult....in actuality the BEST SONG EVER.

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NO NO NO...

The greatest song ever as officially quoted in the Guiness book of records is Teenage Kicks by The Undertones.

No debate.. Only flat earth'ist may be fool enough to disagree

Steve Wilson-Copp, Saturday, 11 September 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

How ya doin', Mr Peel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I that transparent?

Its just that luckily despite championing Can and other prog rock groups in the mid seventie's Mr Peel saved his reputation forever, by embracing Punk, new wave ETC.

Steve WC, Saturday, 11 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Teenage Kicks" just ummmm....well, I don't know. It's a good song, but it just doesn't go anywhere.

My fave Undertones track, now and forever = "Mars Bar".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the "CA-CHING CHING" part is too loud in the mix. I don't mind it being in the arrangement, but as a rhythmic accent, especially given the obviousness of the resolution, it sounds pretty lame being that prominent - a spindly mouse climbing out to the shoulder of a giant house-stomping robot to shake its fist at rubble. I'm with Alex in NYC in preferring the long version. I think the "regular" version sounds like an edit (for example, the "aaaaahh" vocal part at the end of the middle section sounds as if a singer wouldn't have had time to work up to doing something like that. It sounds stuck over top, whereas in the long version, the "aaaaahh" is the end of a longer phrase). I think "Rain", while being pretty much the same idea (different key, I guess), is a more interesting song (it's got a decent bridge and and a better guitar line). Unfortunately, I think "Rain" plods a bit rhythmically and the vocal lines don't work as well. I think the best part of "She Sells Sanctuary" is the vocals. I think the weakes part is the lack of any interesting instrumental harmony - that flanged (phased? can't remember) guitar line (beginning, mid-section, end) sounds to me like someone simply running through how the chord progression works, without even alluding to any possible tensions. The later Butch Vig remix with the redone middle section and solo is much more satisfying to me, because that original guitar part got old fast. I used to feel that they should have combined the guitar lines of "She Sells Sanctuary" with those from "Rain" and just made one song out of both.

Trouble Hand, Saturday, 11 September 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

a spindly mouse climbing out to the shoulder of a giant house-stomping robot to shake its fist at rubble

I sorta see it as the Cult aiming for something they never really could do -- subtlety -- and actually making it work as such.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 September 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it would be a reasonable sutble touch if it weren't put so up-front.

Trouble Hand, Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

*bows* Subtle for them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

note to djs: segue from "she sells sanctuary" into harry nilsson's "jump into the fire." you can thank me later.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 11 September 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
(I think this thread contains the most frightening posts I've made to this board.)

Dan (Holy List Obsession) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:07 (twenty years ago)

The tap dancing line redeems it all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:13 (twenty years ago)

Dan Perry, you are mad as a bike.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:24 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha hasn't it already been established that in musical matters we are practically matter/antimatter, Snrub?

Dan (World Still In Alignment) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:19 (twenty years ago)

These guys just performed on The Late Late Show last week; played "Love Removal Machine" - dude, they killed! ...even at 20 years hence.

Love -vs- The Head on the Door??? I don't care, but damn if this isn't an example of seminal 80s music.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:56 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Gotta love the Eddie Cochran-inspired acoustic "cha-ching-ching" guitar riff in this song that, for whatever original song meaning there was, always conjured up feelings, for me at least, of hedonism and near comic debauchery.

Cunga, Saturday, 18 April 2009 02:07 (seventeen years ago)

the Eddie Cochran-inspired acoustic "cha-ching-ching" guitar riff

This is the part about the song I love most.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 18 April 2009 02:23 (seventeen years ago)

Oh yeah it's ALL about that thing.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Saturday, 18 April 2009 03:37 (seventeen years ago)

G is a good chord.

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 03:39 (seventeen years ago)

Great song, no doubt.

Mark, Saturday, 18 April 2009 03:52 (seventeen years ago)

It's like Unforgettable Fire-era U2 with a giant codpiece

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, September 9, 2004

hence BEST SONG EVER QED

My second fave Cult track is a toss-up between "Spiritwaker" and "Wild Flower"...

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, September 9, 2004

Since you're dead on about LRM as Stones/Zep pastiche, I'll assume you're familiar with a little AC/DC number goes by "Rock'n'Roll Singer"? If you like "Wild Flower" you'll like that one too.

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 06:28 (seventeen years ago)

oh man sorry but this song sucks balls.

I will destroy you all, starting with your tiny ridiculous bathtubs (jjjusten), Saturday, 18 April 2009 06:51 (seventeen years ago)

Go listen to Prince

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 11:18 (seventeen years ago)

this is essentially a prince song anyway

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:13 (seventeen years ago)

I'm going to pretend you never said that.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:14 (seventeen years ago)

it sounds like an Around the World in a Day track!

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:19 (seventeen years ago)

JOhn. you know I love ya, man, but I'm afraid you're now DEAD. TO. ME.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:20 (seventeen years ago)

mind you this is totally one of the best tracks ever, although I burned out on it back then by playing it too much & especially by hearing the long mix too many times

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:21 (seventeen years ago)

and also, it's wrong to be this way I know, but the embarrassment of the Edie Sedgwick song a couple of years later kinda put a patina of ewww on the Cult and fucked up their music for me pretty bad

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:22 (seventeen years ago)

I don't know if this is the best song ever but Ian Ashbury is definitely the best dancer ever

I'm the head soul brother in the US. Where to now? (bernard snowy), Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:28 (seventeen years ago)

and also, it's wrong to be this way I know, but the embarrassment of the Edie Sedgwick song a couple of years later kinda put a patina of ewww on the Cult and fucked up their music for me pretty bad

it is really embarrassing but also an awesome "Fade To Black" crib!

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

You better fucking believe it, bitches.
If it says "embedding disabled by request" just double click it.
Look at that man's threads! He is fucking styling. No doubt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHcumCAkCM

Definitely More Goth Than You (Bimble), Monday, 8 June 2009 04:30 (seventeen years ago)

ah! I screwed up again damnit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuQXS-AP_to

Definitely More Goth Than You (Bimble), Monday, 8 June 2009 04:31 (seventeen years ago)

This is what I need, bitch. This is what I need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn9hNQu5SoU

Definitely More Goth Than You (Bimble), Monday, 8 June 2009 04:32 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

jesus christ @ me in this thread

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

Do not dance with the king unless you brought your best tap shoes.

Put this on a t-shirt and make a mint.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

I'm tempted to go back and list bands for each of those songs but I can't remember if I meant that to be "Dead" by The Pixies or something else

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 22:00 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

YEAH-HEAHHHHH

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 October 2012 23:42 (thirteen years ago)

Dan's list would make an amazing Spotify playlist imo

skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 14 October 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)

Everytime I hear She Sells Sanctuary I keep waiting for the "Love Removal Machine" chorus, and then am mildly disappointed.

sarahell, Sunday, 14 October 2012 06:38 (thirteen years ago)

YEAH-HEAHHHHH

― Ned Raggett

agree

the late great, Sunday, 14 October 2012 08:27 (thirteen years ago)

I remember when this was the very essence of indie-gone-wrong. I think purely because Ian Astbury once turned up at a Stone Roses gig in a leather coat.

I've seen him fronting The Doors, as it happens. It's one strange existence - he actually does inspire a degree of fervour, only it's from middle-aged men holding cameraphones, in comfortable auditoriums.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 14 October 2012 10:19 (thirteen years ago)

I started one but gave up half way through, if anyone wants to finish it off.... It is amazing fwiw.

http://open.spotify.com/user/unterwasser/playlist/3Hkocs6acSuTDAoMiFB69V

fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Sunday, 14 October 2012 15:54 (thirteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

Per the excellent WAFR (aka What a Fucking Record) account run by UK writer Ian Wade: happy fortieth anniversary to this all time banger.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 May 2025 14:24 (one year ago)

Even by the standards of that album, a longtime fave of mine, that song jumps out.

Funny, pure coincidence, but I almost bought a Cult "Love" t-shirt just this morning! Of course I'd prefer to buy an official shirt, but it was $35, and around $50 with tax and shipping, so no thanks, Cult. It's not like they are being made in-house by some bespoke team, so I don't know how bad I would feel spending a fraction of that on a knockoff.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 May 2025 15:49 (one year ago)

She Sells Sanctuary was my mum's getting ready to go out on a Saturday night music in the 80s

(It seems her 80s musical life keeps coming to mind with every thread I pop in today)

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 13 May 2025 15:53 (one year ago)

Your mum had the right idea.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 May 2025 16:09 (one year ago)

a highlight of the 'electronic music djs are playing rock music' period of the early 00s for me was prob wandering through the dance tent at glastonbury on a very warm day, in a bit of a state, trying to find my friends, and hearing 2manydjs play la rock by vitalic, then just as that wore off, they played this. i know people love live music but for me it is a little better to have a huge soundsystem and the original record playing to a few thousand people, in the right context anyway. absolutely huge liftoff for the... i shouldn't call it a 'breakdown' or a 'drop' but you know the bit i mean, lol.

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 13 May 2025 16:26 (one year ago)

I go back and forth between this and "How Soon Is Now?" as the defining indie-riff of the 80's.

henry s, Tuesday, 13 May 2025 19:10 (one year ago)

manics did a kick ass cover of this when I saw them a few years ago

brimstead, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 16:37 (one year ago)

Yeah they've been doing that for a bit, saw them in 2022 and they busted it out.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 16:43 (one year ago)


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