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i am frustrated that he destroyed that awesome eastern european oompa jazz track to make FZ.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

i suspect you're kidding, but if not: how'd he destroy it? it still exists, intact -- and in fact i'm guessing you wouldn't have ever heard the original otherwise. i certainly wouldn't have.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've not listened to it yet. yeah it's overwhelming, but just throwing it out there. certainly didn't mean to reignite FZ debate. (the bottom line with FZ is, I think, it shouldn't have been released)

the last few parts are him and Raresh, who he combines with well so yeah I'd go for them.

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

actually, phil, i'm not kidding. the fact that i wouldn;t have heard the original otherwise is irrelevant-- the 'original' is about a million times better and more hearty dance music than FZ could ever hope to be.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

...

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

what is the original? I mean really he didn't even need to sample anything. It could easily have been well recorded midi samples of just a trumpet for all it sounds like.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK the original was upped on the sandbox. hold on a minute.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

for the record, i love FZ, but i also think it would have been better had it not been released, if only because of the overkill effect. but ultimately i don't think the remix detracts from the source.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

actually, wogan, i think it'd be pretty difficult to get that sort of timbre and phrasing out of a sampler (if it's the lead you're talking about).

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

I love it too, but there's a time and a place for it, and that's not the Other Music new stock update.

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

it DEFINITELY detracts from the source. he took what's meant to be a backing for horn solos and extended it indefinitely. that would have been fine if he had added anything truly special of his own, but instead, he just left it that way. I WANT THOSE HORN SOLOS DAMMIT. hear it:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/noods5

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

he pretty clearly made it in < 2 hours to fuck with people's heads on the dancefloor (which it does, excellently). that EFFECT is something special of his own.

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't heard the original, but i'd be willing to argue that those horns (even when they come in full blast during that one moment) sound like they could have been sourced from happy calamity of clumsy MIDI keyboard skills... Downloading the original now to see what he's doing here.

a is on the money. it would fuck with my head if used as a dj tool.

I'm listening to Alcachofa now. It's okay. I get a bit bored of dance music that doesn't feature many melodies or breakdowns/buildups and that's why I end up a bit love/hate about quite a lot of minimal stuff. I like a lot of the stuff on Border Community and Kompakt, but I just can't get excited about endless clicky noises and random vocal snatches as there's no catharsis. Technically, it's very clever - all these layers of noise and texture, but it's also gotta be fun to listen/dance to. I used to think that people who complained about dance music as being "repetitive beats" were simply being rockist and that dance music usually wasn't repetitive but this to me is quite samey. The track I'm hearing now is Theogenese.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

yes yes yes. i just resent it when someone whose work i respect tosses something like this off, obviously putting very little effort into the thing.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

those horns is real, dog latin.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

it's like a painter exhibiting their palette.

― friday on the porch (lfam), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

xpost well it's not a problem 'tossing it off' when it causes havock on the dancefloor (people's faces! priceless!) but yes, when it gets released as a CD and the whole snob-world (inc techno phobes) suddenly falls prostrate at its genius, THEN the tossed off thing becomes an issue. it's hardly his fault.

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

i am exiting this discussion. i'm pretty adamantly not into FZ, and feel like i continue to repeat myself (which is, coincidentally, what the track does). i don't want that.

also, that is one beige palette. since when are you a defender of FZ?

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

god dammit.

Alcachofa probably takes more than one listen to grok, it's really more of a weird deep/fucked house-IDM hybrid than... oh I give up. Theogenese is probably the one track on there I DO tend to skip unfortunately. Listen to Bahahe Hi LOUD. That one is fun (imo).

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

dog latin, listen to dexter, what you say, and fools garden. those seem like track you'd be more into.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think the problem here is (I might be wrong) Dog Latin is expecting to both 1) 'get' Villalobos and 2) be suddenly smacked round the face with his stuff... I don't think it's really going to happen like that. It's a lot more of a subtle, heavy woozy vibe... minimal doesn't really 'happen' in the same way as Hard House, all upfront and 100% obvious. That's kind of why it gets the name tag. Alcachofa does bump though, just not like Fedde Le Grand!

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

i know Dexter, but I'm more familiar with the TLS mix. I think I'm not going to properly have an epiphany with stuff like this until I see it live which is hard for me as I live in the sticks and House music to these people means Funky House and stuff like that. Going to London for the night is a serious, dangerous and expensive trek that requires stamina and dosh.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

I love the TLS mix... it sounds like (old) skate-rock!

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

dog latin you might like something like Cassy's Panorama Bar 01 mix better, it's verrrry minimal (and repetitive! but not to excess) and sorta puristy BUT also bangs really gutsily, sounds amazing loud. ILM opinion was a bit split but I loved it. It's not the most representative (not a pretty Kompakt/BC proggy-nu-trance softly clicking way mix) out there... but it's good. Anyway just a thought.

Alcachofa is (imo) a fucking amazing record but not really a dancefloor killer (before 5 am and a few beverages) as it's presented on album.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnubPrh8ZQ

and it comes to this...

― Trace Henry (Trace), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Question: from what original are those clarinet sounds he uses in some of the live versions of F/Z? (Awakenings set for example)
Couldn't discover it in the track that was posted earlier.

Any other recommendations on brassy gipsy stuff like this are also welcome.

― silas (silas), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

that youtube vid is amazing

― friday on the porch (lfam), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

i suddenly love this song so much

― friday on the porch (lfam), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

the youtube video certainly makes one question the "FizzleZibble can ONLY be enjoyed at 6:00AM at a club in Berlin" meme.

― Trace Henry (Trace), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

If you like your gypsy brass with some rock and raspy vocals, you might like Leningrad. I tried to find a link for you but they're not on discogs or allmusic!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised that people have said FZ isn't accessable

With his more noodley well crafted stuff I can enjoy it(a lot) but I have to put my mind to it. FZ is pretty irresistable.

It's the techno 'Hall of the Mountain King'

― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

FZ is pretty irresistable.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

I thought you had exited the discussion!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Music is not about putting your mind to anything. In fact, it's about not putting your mind to anything.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

(guess what? ise a liar. i'll tear your mind. i'll burn your soul.)

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, to put it another way, FZ is the only Villalobos song you can hum.

― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Easy Lee? Dexter?

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

i've hummed heike to myself before. and quizas.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

and i will admit that i am sometimes too harsh towards FZ. i have certainly listened to it quite a bit, and like the way villalobos incorporates it into his live sets... i just think that there are much better things by him out there which are much more worthy of conversation. i mean..-- people go on and on about FZ, but the discussion of What's Wrong My Friends (which contains two killlllerr tracks) was puny in comparison.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

dude let it go!

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

done.
http://www.smudo.org/blog/archives/images/DSC_2996-700.jpg

i started on part 4 just now-- so good so far.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

unbelievable track at about 35 minutes of part 2. new Ricardo production? sounds like For Disco Only 2 taken further into space with better drums.

― a (rslvd), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

the point where Villalobos, Vooredoms and Mu meet???
however you feel about this... it'd be a headfuck

― a (rslvd), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

the point where Villalobos, Vooredoms and Mu meet???

aka the DJs post your mixes thread

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

digitally mixed != meet

someone should at least tear this apart. or let's just do it in 6 months

― a (rslvd), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

the point where Villalobos, Vooredoms and Mu meet???

I'm not sure about that... but this is amazing, totally insane. Love the totally off-kilter, LOUD drums that come in about five minutes into the clip and threaten to throw the track completely out... but just propel it onwards. Would love to hear this on, eg, the Fabric soundsystem.

― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

which room?

after listening to him a lot for the few days, i think my current track of his is the 'lugom-ix.' i guess, though, that it isn't really his?

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

anyone else disappointed with villalobos' output as of late? i'm just ... eh. whatever.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Thursday, 25 January 2007 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Not at all! Fizheuer, Sinner in me remix, and What's wrong my friends E.P. (which is great). This is a solid run!

Coincidentally:

http://imagegen.last.fm/basicrt10/recenttracks/Chagito.gif

― jimn (jimnaseum), Thursday, 25 January 2007 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

Of course I would say this.

― jimn (jimnaseum), Thursday, 25 January 2007 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

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