Yeah, I gave this album yet another chance recently (don't hate it but also don't plan on playing it much) and The Hexx actually did stick out as good. Still like the Fall cover best of everything related to TT.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 10 October 2009 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I always liked Ann Don't Cry. The melody gets me.
If it wasn't a Pavement album would more people not hate it so much? Assuming nobody would have an issue with how derivative it would be of Pavement if it were in fact somebody else's.
― Evan, Saturday, 10 October 2009 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I like Terror Twilight great! I like it + S&E and the rest I never much tried to get into.
― existential eggs (Abbott), Saturday, 10 October 2009 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I really hope they end up giving this record the reissue treatment next year. Since the band is reforming, I'm guessing this will be a go. So excited!
― kshighway1, Saturday, 10 October 2009 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link
"I like Terror Twilight great! I like it + S&E and the rest I never much tried to get into."
Either end and nothing in-between? Thats a strange one.
― Evan, Saturday, 10 October 2009 05:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i think pavement should only play songs from this on their comeback tour
― thomp, Saturday, 10 October 2009 08:32 (fourteen years ago) link
also: 'date w/ikea', 'hit the plane down', etc.
― thomp, Saturday, 10 October 2009 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link
jesus, atp is starting to sell out already and they have announced no other acts
― thomp, Saturday, 10 October 2009 09:05 (fourteen years ago) link
listening
such a great record
― thomp, Sunday, 11 October 2009 14:20 (fourteen years ago) link
interesting full-circle level to it: godrich's production is basically adding a level of highbrow worked-over grot insted of the actual accidental grot of the early stuff
― thomp, Sunday, 11 October 2009 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link
rocks in the old man sense of 'rocks': is propulsive and rhythmic, good chemistry; not rocks in the sense of 'it is loud and fast'. i mean it rocks like jefferson airplane or whatever
― thomp, Sunday, 11 October 2009 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
"your kiss like a rock but you know i need it anyway" etc etc i could quote a lot of malkmus but you all know how it works. anyway is the focus on this sort of thing* why ppl think it sounds like a first malkmus solo album?
*by which i mean 'admitted emotional referents'
― thomp, Sunday, 11 October 2009 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link
nb. malkmus hasn't actually released any solo albums, so i'm kind of confused whenever people try that one
"Carrot Rope"'s arrangement was beyond Malk until 2003, so the argument that TT is an unofficial solo album mystifies me.
― Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm hearing this as a really nice Abbey Road kinda sendoff.. lots of good stuff on here.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 07:07 (thirteen years ago) link
So I read that Perfect Sound Forever book over the weekend, and they had Noel Goodrich's song sequence. Apparently, he was surprised that the album producer didn't get to pick the track order.
1.) Ground Beef/Platform Blues2.) The Hex3.) You Are the Light4.) Jesus in Harlem/Cream of Gold5.) Ann6.) Folk Jam7.) Major Leagues8.) Terror Twilight/Speak, See, Remember9.) Carrot Rope10.) Shaghag (dropped noise thing)11.) Billie12.) Spit on a Stranger
I'm kinda down with it starting out with Platform Blues, but I think in the end, Spiral knew what he was doing.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
Might have been a more interesting-sounding record. Think that sequencing might actually work.
― the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Monday, 27 June 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
Still wanna know what SS's sequence was for a 12-track Wowee Zowee.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
isn't that in that book too? or am i imagining it.
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
It mentioned it, but didn't list it.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
still no word on what's going to be on the terror twilight reissue? would be cool if there were godrich-free early versions of these songs.
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
Godrich ruined this record
― winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
i don't mind godrich too much, but he seems wholly unnecessary here.
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
if there were a poll of producer/performer mismatches I would put this somewhere near the top
― winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of that perfect sound forever book, there's a funny bit about the TT sessions where it says that Godrich never learned Bob Nastanovich's name...
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
wonder if there would've been a good producer fit for pavement? Obv they got Mitch Easter, but he didn't really do all that much to the sound, I don't think.
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
David Briggs
― winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
i think david briggs would've scared pavement.
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
you say that like it's a bad thing
― winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah maybe not they probably were not scared by nigel godrich. i guess briggs did that royal trux record, so it could have happened had briggs live long enough!
― tylerw, Monday, 27 June 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
this is a band whose virtues were fuzzy edges and elliptical gestures, hiring a cold-blooded British robot that likes things sleek and shiny was a total head-slapping moment. Godrich's favorite record production job is Hunky Dory for chrissakes
― winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Man, the live versions, and even the 7" version of The Hexx sound so much heavier than the album version.
― D.S.K. What Does It Mean (lpz), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
godrich's second best production work imo
― edit piaf (electricsound), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
(#1 is the silver sun debut)
Cream Of Gold is underrated I reckon
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
whn's the redux out?
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
did the band know they were about to break up when they made this record? i remember every review of it at the time mentioned malkmus going solo. whatebs i still enjoy it quite a bit. "folk jam" "spit on a stranger" "major leagues" and "my dreams are beige" are all great.
"spit on a stranger" from the original tracklisting woulda been a great swansong. shame they had to change it.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
What's My Dreams Are Beige?
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Cream of Gold, I suppose.
Finding myself enjoying this record more than I did initially. Ann Don't Cry/Billie/Speak, See, Remember are closer to b-sides than anything, and no great producer could have saved that uninspired sequence, in my opinion. The rest is pretty good/excellent.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
no great producer could have saved that uninspired sequence
agree w this. some terrible lyrics in these too
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
brighten the corners completely opened up to me after 7 listens or so.. this one not so much. second side is not good. "cream of gold" has a good riff. if i had to pick one, it'd be "you are a light".
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
"ann don't cry" was really really good when i saw them live on the TT tour, though, really pastoral kind of grateful dead vibe.
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link
"Folk jam" all the way for me. I enjoy the buildups, jamming, and singing.
A personal go to.
"You are a light" for my least favorite song. All around good album imo, not sure why ppl hate on it so much.
― ,max,, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
because Nigel Godrich is horrible and half the songs suck
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
fuck it, I'm not going to defend this album. I'm not head over heels for it but I have enjoyed it from time to time over the years.
― ,max,, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
yes but do you believe in leprechauns
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
i remember being overly bummed out at the digital delay/pitch shifting on "the hexx", like 'ick gross, stick with the tube amps and such'
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:58 (nine years ago) link
haha is the first verse of Billie a dig at Jeff Mangum or is that overreaching
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
I don't know whether I've listened to this since I did upthread but I am listening now and it is still effectively poignant and shit
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
musically the godrich noises at the end of the hexx do nothing for me but they work ~~conceptually~~ so
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link