What's the best David Bowie studio album

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Maybe Bowie is on ILM and voted for it.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Very good "The Lodger" thread here:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=6350

Featuring a robust defense from the redoubtable Mark S.

o. nate, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

And the Alex In NYC "Diamond Dogs" tribute thread:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=31055

o. nate, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Funny -- Hunky Dory always seems overly mannered and precious to me, not a patch on Ziggy or Man Who Sold the World...

Slothrop, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

HD and STS have always been my faves, so I'm happy with the results. STS was my pick, though.

JN$OT, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Earthling" is not at all bad, but voting for anything released after 1980 as Bowie's best moment suggests something terribly wrong with one's mental health. :)

Geir Hongro, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

I might actually think that Black Star is my favourite of his albums now.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link

who the fuck voted for hours?

akm, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link

Came here expecting to see disparaging mention of "Hours". But who else is wondering if this maligned album is suddenly going to see some kind of critical reevaluation?

Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link

Needs a new poll to capture his final two albums

doug watson, Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link

Also, akm OTM. Even with an emotional connection to hours IRL, I still think it's one of his worst.

doug watson, Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link

I know it has its fans but after a listen last night I reckon Diamond Dogs needs a lot more love. It kind of gets overshadowed by Ziggy and Aladdin Sane from that period, but is easily better than both IMO. I mean I know it's a tough catalogue (in the sense of being full of crucial gems) but DD is a fucking fantastic album and feels very 2020 in many ways.

umsworth (emsworth), Sunday, 31 May 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

i vote: the best of david bowie

plax (ico), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link

There's a lot to dislike about Diamond Dogs! Many songs are marred by annoying sax arrangements, I personally have no taste for "Sweet Thing/Candidate" (I do love the demo version of "Candidate" on the Ryko reissue, though), "Rebel Rebel" is not a bad single but it cribs too close to the Stones for me to ever have loved anything but the lyrics of the chorus, "Rock N Roll With Me" is bad, "We Are The Dead" is mostly awkward monologue, I like "1984" but it IS bad disco, and we're back on the annoying saxes again on "Big Brother". Prob my least favourite from that string of albums

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link

For some reason I’ve never been able to make it through the first track of Diamond Dogs, let alone the whole album. Just felt like the house lights came on or something. aladdin sane is my favorite.

brimstead, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link

xp Hmmm well, a toss-up between DD and "Heroes" for my least-favourite "classic" album, I've never understood why it attained classic status (esp with the presence of Bowie's worst 70s original song, "..Arabia")

I love Aladdin Sane-- title track and "Drive-In Saturday" alone

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link

If any Bowie album needs a reappraisal-- assuming we're all on the same page that "1. Outside" is classic-- it's "The Man Who Sold The World", that album is so crazy good

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link

(esp with the presence of Bowie's worst 70s original song, "..Arabia")

Now you've gone too far.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link

Anyway, how weird that "Hunky Dory" won this, I think Geir rigged the poll.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link

Ha well clearly the time for the DD reappraisal is Not Yet - although I must say I do like the sax (and like even more Bowie's brutal guitar playing).

Totally agree that TMWSTW is another one that is overlooked/underrated - possibly partly because it didn't have a "marquee" song/single until the Nirvana cover? But when I was a teen I was completely besotted with that one, great songs, great band, amazing SOUND. It has that kind of entropic New Worlds SF darkness that I also associate with Hawkwind and VDGG.

umsworth (emsworth), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link

1. Outside is a near masterpiece imo

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link

Outside is so unreal, my favourite Bowie album (though Hunky Dory, Station To Station and Black Star are right up there). My only strike against it (aside from "Hallo Spaceboy" which doesn't do much for me, and yet I prefer it to any of the dud covers on the 70s albums) is a kind-of cheeseball quality in the synthesis of plot and lyric, which I find charming in the same way I find 80s Michael Mann movies charming, but not necessarily engrossing. The lyrics on "Oxford Town" and "Heart's Filthy Lesson" are, to me, sound like they've been typed up in the same font as the cover of Billy Idol's Cyberpunk.

The real winner on TMWSTW is the opening track, "A Width Of A Circle", Bowie never told a better long-form narrative imo, it's all the failures on Space Oddity corrected.

And I don't think it's weird at all that Hunky Dory won... it's wall-to-wall hits. I remember in the 90s, "Quicksand" won 2nd in a Bowie fansite poll for his best song, after "Ashes To Ashes". Even the lesser tracks ("Andy Warhol", "Song For Bob Dylan") are really solid! "Kooks" is prob my favourite "hey guys, we had a kid!" song in existence. Again, it's only the cover song that I would scuttle, aside from a few tracks on "Pin-Ups" I think Bowie's a bad interpreter across the board.

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 03:34 (four years ago) link

And ya that unfortunately includes "Wild Is The Wind", never liked it :(

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 03:35 (four years ago) link

idk "fill your heart" is really charming imo, and in any case it's not the "interpretation" that's to blame; have you ever tried to sit through biff rose's original ? it's not exactly pleasant.

i would've voted for "hunky dory" in 2007, as a high school kid, and still would today. it's always been my favorite. "wall-to-wall hits" otm

budo jeru, Monday, 1 June 2020 04:32 (four years ago) link

Hunky Dory is perhaps his most consistent album, and the one where he truly found his voice imo, but maybe a bit of a boring choice?

chap, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:34 (four years ago) link

Talking of boring, there's "Song For Bob Dylan".

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link

idk "fill your heart" is really charming imo, and in any case it's not the "interpretation" that's to blame; have you ever tried to sit through biff rose's original ? it's not exactly pleasant.

Pretty pointless doing this song at all after Tiny Tim's version.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:03 (four years ago) link

these days my fav bowie is station to station, but i think hunky dory is still probably the one i'd give to someone who'd never heard bowie before. it doesn't really give any hint of his later sound but it's probably his most immediately accessible and enjoyable album in a lot of ways.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:14 (four years ago) link

Let's not forget what a seductively queer album Hunky Dory is for its era - "Oh You Pretty Things", "Life on Mars", "Queen Bitch" ooze androgyne eros, but the songs are so catchy it slipped through and left the door open for Queen. But yeah my (mid teen) daughters took this one to heart and are only exploring the others gradually.
Right now ★ is getting me through an evening of work, what a towering achievement.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:47 (four years ago) link

and "Quicksand" is such a singular tune. No one else could've written it.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:58 (four years ago) link

and the way "Kooks" queers a father-son relationship

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:58 (four years ago) link

Yeah I feel like we're really lucky that we got that album, it feels like the perfect hybrid of "I'm now a confident songwriter" and "I have not yet become cynical". "Queen Bitch" is really the biggest and best thing, T. Rex could never

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link

i dislike the production and arrangements on Diamond Dogs quite a bit. It's screechy cluttered sounding.

akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link

my favorite albums bookend the Berlin trilogy: Station to Station and Scary Monsters.

akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:23 (four years ago) link

Station To Station is a top-five Bowie album in my books for half-of-it alone. I am cool on "Stay" and don't like "Word" or "Wild" but the title track, "Golden Years" and "TVC15" make it an utter classic

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link

"Station To Station" is inarguably (in my mind) Bowie's greatest single song, and the album itself is so weird both in its content and the context within which it was created that it sits next to Big Star 3 in my books

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:47 (four years ago) link

I go like this:

9.5 Outside
9 Station To Station
9 Hunky Dory
9 Black Star
8.5 Lodger
8.5 Ziggy Stardust
8 Low
8 Aladdin Sane
8 The Man Who Sold The World
7.5 Scary Monsters
7.5 Earthling
7.5 The Next Day
6.5 Young Americans
6.5 Diamond Dogs
6 Tin Machine
6 Heathen
6 Let's Dance
5.5 "Heroes"
4 Reality
4 Space Oddity
2 Hours
1 Black Tie White Noise
1 Never Let Me Down
0 Tonight
Tin Machine II

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link

'Stay' is top 5 Bowie for me

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link

Oh, Tin Machine II is also a zero, hell is listening to the Sales brothers sing

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link

The Hague

Tonight
Hours
Tin Machine

Meh

Pin Ups
Never Let Me Down
The Next Day
Tin Machine II

Sound, Solid

Young Americans
Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps)
Diamond Dogs
The Buddha of Suburbia
The Man Who Sold the World
Reality
Earthling
Heathen
Black Tie White Noise
Let's Dance

Good to Great

Low
Station to Station

Lodger
Aladdin Sane
"Heroes"
Hunky Dory
Outside
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link

Good ranking Alfred, I'm gonna give Buddha and Black Tie another shot today

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link

I think Let's Dance is a better album than it generally gets credit for - deep cuts Ricochet and Criminal World are excellent, slinky funk-pop.

chap, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link

"Ricochet" is Bowie trying to hold fast to a sense of avant-gardism for which he (temporarily) lost an attraction.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link

my favorite albums bookend the Berlin trilogy: Station to Station and Scary Monsters.

― akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:23 (thirty minutes ago) link

This is me as well. I feel like voting for Scary Monsters is like my love for Flesh & Blood in the Roxy Music poll; there are better or more important Bowie albums, but I played Scary Monsters so so so much when it came out. Hugely important in my life.

I don't believe I've ever heard a note of Outside. Putting that on my to do list.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link

and the way "Kooks" queers a father-son relationship

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 1, 2020 5:58 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes !

budo jeru, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link

the bowie songs on TMII are great. I've skipped over the Sales songs consistently since the album came out.

akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link

let's dance is a wonderful album. if only he hadn't tried to follow it up with a 'soundalike' album that didn't sound like it and was super weak as far as songs

akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link

"Goodbye Mr. Ed" and "Shopping for Girls" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first Tin Machine album

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link

I have a weird relationship to Tin Machine— I seem to be the lone asserted that “Reeves Gabrels was Bowie’s best guitarist”, iirc that was the case when it was polled.

My adoration for Gabrels is not just the fact that he technically stands head and shoulders above Alomar and Ronson— and Fripp never really cut loose on a Bowie album— Gabrels was taken on during the most challenging imaginable comeback, Bowie in his 40s, trying to be a “lad” and failing, then trying to do pop-industrial (and knocking it out of the park), then trying to do rock-jungle (and turning in an admirable effort). (Hours, the album, does not exist to me— I listened to it once and never again.)

So, Tin Machine tries so hard, and does a lot right, and Gabrels (in particular) is carrying much of the weight, but it’s where it falls short that destroys it and makes it “legacy souring”. Bowie has always been a thief, but with Tin Machine he is along Black Francis so excruciatingly, and getting it so wrong, that it’s absolute toxic waste music. The worst offender afaic “Baby Universal”— it’s the sound of a standup comedian doing bad impressions, a grotesque misinterpretation of What Is Good about early Pixies, Charles frankly should have lodged a complaint

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link

*aping, not along

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link


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