Don't even try to defend Stevie Ray Vaughan, ILM -- tear his oeuvre/legacy apart and throw it to the dogs

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Was perhaps the antithesis of Eddie Van Halen, who is positioned midway along the euro-shred continuum between Focus and Daft Punk. EVH ruled the Reagan era, SRV the Bush1 era. Prefiguring the great palaeo-/neo- conservative split?

dave q, Saturday, 8 November 2003 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

you know, someone can be a "talented guitarist technically" and never producing anything interesting whatsoever. talent=interesting playing doesn't necessarily hold true.

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 8 November 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

For a player of his post-Clapton-Allman-Hendrix generation -- i.e. raised on blooz and rawk -- I thought he had a nice combination of chops and, you know, feeling. Passion, whatever. I don't love him, but I think he's...nice. And way more tasteful than some of the haters are making him out to be. Less pretentious too. I'll take ZZ Top over him, sure. But if I walked into a bar with a rabbi and a priest and Stevie Ray was on the jukebox, I bet we'd all have a reasonably good time.

spittle (JesseFox), Saturday, 8 November 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

I think if Stevie were a piano player I'd be much less irritated by him. He really plays guitar like a blues pianist. His jazzier playing reminds me more of Art Tatum than any other guitarist.

Kris (aqueduct), Saturday, 8 November 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

Stevie died for the sins of these most excellent dudes.

http://www.satriani.com/G3/

(their show must be like dying and going to hell's own guitar store)

scott seward, Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

At first we feel hopelessly clumsy like when we're learning to play the guitar. When we first start playing our fingers are so clumsy it seems hopeless, but when we've done it for some time we gain skill and it is quite easy. We're learning to witness what's going on in our mind, so we can know when we're getting restless and tense or when we're getting dull. We recognise that, we're not trying to convince ourselves that it's otherwise, we're fully aware of the way things are. We sustain effort for one inhalation. If we can't do that then we sustain it for half an inhalation at least. In this way we're not trying to become perfect all at once. We don't have to do everything just right according to some idea of how it should be, but we work with the problems that are there. If we have a scattered mind then it's wisdom to recognise the mind that goes all over the place -- that is insight. To think that we shouldn't be that way, to hate ourselves or feel discouraged because that is the way we happen to be -- that is ignorance.

Manjusri (Manjusri), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

A lot of my friends in Knoxville had tickets to see him play with Eric Clapton, but SRV died in the plane crash the night before the show.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 9 November 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
Yeah I'm late; I'll make it worth visiting this retarded thread because I won't be back for the replies.

Another SRV bashing thread, same bullshit. Maybe if you spent half the time you do thinking up clever SRV insults as you do practicing on your guitar you might become half the player Stevie was. With that said, I will be hypocritical and defend SRV.

There are these guys that always have something bad to say about Stevie, like Stevie "had no soul" or "was not expressive" or "had no real talent" are obviously uneducated idiots that don't know jack shit about the blues or guitar playing for that matter. Mark my word "You will be the ones who never amount to shit playing guitar or in the music business".
If Stevie was such a meaningless guitar player then why did true blues guitarist like B.B. King, Albert King and Albert Collins respect him so much, play shows and sessions with him, and claim him as the "new blood" of blues guitar? Why do successful musicians like Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, all of ZZ Top (Billy Gibbons had SRV a guitar made as a gift) Lonnie Mack, and even Stevie Wonder consider him a best friend and one of the greatest guitar players ever, as they have said in many interviews? Would one of you fucking music geniuses answer that for me?
Sure Stevie’s music and style was influenced by Jimi, but just about what modern guitarist wasn't in some way or another? Shit, Jimi Hendrix influenced Stevie's early career wardrobe more than anything. If you were really listening you would hear Albert King's style influence more than Jimi Hendrix’s. If you don't think so then I dare you listen to the entire Albert King BluesPower/LiveWire album and then tell me who Stevie sounds like at least guitar solo wise? It's very naive and amateur to base Stevie's musical talent on his studio recorded albums, when his live performances truly demonstrated his amazing ability. I didn’t like Stevie’s version of “Voodoo Chile” slight return on “Couldn’t stand the weather” either, and you know what? Either did Stevie Ray Vaughan, he has said in a few interviews it sounded “over dubbed” and he felt it was missing the energy. But then watch the performance of it on Austin City Limits from 1983. It’s an incredible performance of the song. You can find it with almost any file-sharing service.

To DJ Mencap: Icarus Line are a bunch of Emo looking, no talent faggots, believe me I saw them in concert and they fucking suck.
Yeah it's real cool to fuck with Stevie's guitar, Aaron North did that because that is his only hope of getting any real publicity simply because their music is pure shit. Yeah the songs are really burning up the charts, I'm sure their careers and legacy will last, and they will be remembered forever, sure.

To Julio Desouza: You may be the dumbest fuck in here, you say "Makes me glad I haven't heard his music" yet you still hang around in here to bash him. Makes you feel like a big man, huh?

To Kris: Like anyone else, you are entitled to your opinion about his singing and playing, but to make an analogy comparing SRV to GG Allin is just redickless.

To nickalicious: I wouldn't go so far as to say SRV's cover of "Little Wing" is better, as it is always hard to surpass or approve upon an original, but SRV's cover was outstanding. I liked Pesci better in Goodfella's. Quote: "You, mudderfucker, you"

To Kenan Hebert: Obviously that Statue show's that the people in Austin appreciated him. Since you live in Austin why don't you let others in the area know how you feel about the spooging on the soul patch? You won't. Because you’re a fucking pussy who gets off by talking shit about Stevie on threads like this and you know that the musicians in Austin would tear you another asshole if they heard what you said you fucking hot shot. To think about shit like that shows how truly sick minded you are.

What a bunch of bunch of jackass, negative, fascists. In Instead of keeping your opinions and bitter jealousy of your under achievement to yourself you decide to bully others for what you don't have. You try to make others share the same feelings as yourself because that is the only thing you have in life to do. For a matter of fact this is a picture of what most of you assholes that are talking shit look like behind at your computer (Copy/Paste)
http://www.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img2&image=you.jpg

If you are all such great guitar players, why don’t you upload some links to, or make some MP3s of yourselves playing so that I and others can listen you play. I doubt you will because I sure you wouldn’t want your playing judged as you have judged Stevie’s.
All of you (except a few) can kiss my ass for getting me all worked about this shit today.

Sincerely,
SRVGoogler

Srvgoogler, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

At least you lived up to your name.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

And wait, you spent the whole day worrying about this and feeling bullied? Walking down the street must be hard for you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

And Snappy comebacks must be hard for you. Who the fuck said I spent all day worrying and being bullied? But enough about us, lets talk about Stevie Ray Vaughan

Srvgoogler, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

hey! i thought you wouldn't be back for the replies!

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

I just posted this like 3 minutes ago. Who said I was leaving yet?

Srvgoogler, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

All of you (except a few) can kiss my ass for getting me all worked about this shit today.

I'm sorry, I mistook this as you getting annoyed when clearly you were meditating your hate away.

hey! i thought you wouldn't be back for the replies!

Shh, you're giving it away!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

Who said I was leaving yet?

This thread *is* useful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

I won't listen to anyone who uses the words "blues" and "Clapton" in the same sentence. Unless "butchers" is somewhere in between the two, at any rate.

I don't really feel as much hate towards Stevie as some of the others in the guitar canon, but he doesn't strike me as anything special. I guess "Let's Dance" is kinda fun.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

and I bet this guy LOVES the "blues"!

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

eh never mind....

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

Damn, I can't believe this guy didn't give me props for defending Stevie Ray. I even made the same point vis-a-vis Hendrix vs. Texas blues lineage that he did! I guess I got Tracer Hand mad at me for nothing.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

I have seen that Austin City Limits '83 performance one too many times on PBS, I definitely don't ever need to hear that shit anymore, that's for sure....

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

Props Broheems, valid points made without a doubt.

Shakey Mo, with a quote like that, you obviously wouldn't know a good performance even if it pissed in your face.

Srvgoogler, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

I think you should just accept that you judge music w/a different set of criteria from the vast majority of people here. I won't deny that the things you say are in SRV's playing *are* there, it's just that I don't think that those things make him interesting to listen to.

And my favorite Muddy Waters album is "Electric Mud".

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

Shakey Mo, with a quote like that, you obviously wouldn't know a good performance even if it pissed in your face.

I'm pretty sure Shakey Mo has seen eXtreme Elvis.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago) link

Well I can agree with you about that. "Electric Mud" was also my favorite Muddy Waters album.

Srvgoogler, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

oh do I feel like an innocent turning up at the slaughter.

having never known much about, or heard SRV in my life I bought the live at montreux sets that came out. I've got a good interest in blues, I hate clapton, I've seen BB King and Buddy Guy play, and I have plenty of blues in my stacks of music but I wouldn't consider myself in ayway qualified to talk about.."the blues". Anyway I got the album because it was recommended to me as a Rory Gallagher fan. Stuck it on and I danced around (the house was empty). That's the only reaction I have, I don't have a critical reponse to make, or one based on interpretive history of the blues or whatever. I simply found that rhythm pretty good for playing loud and dancing round.

people here do like to make their digs, but it seems a pretty weak form of conversation on music to me.

at the same time fanboys frothing blood is equally wasteful.

so in summary:

SRV: fuck it, it can be fun.

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

oh, yeah

i was kinda drunk at the time too


fun was had

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

Well Major, I think you have the best attitude of anyone (myself included) on the whole thread.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

The worst thing about SRV are his die-hard fans, as this illustrates.

mult. x-posts - Eric Clapton's new album is a set of Robert Johnson covers. I bet it's the worst thing released by a major label this year.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago) link

I jumped on the SRV wagon after he died. I have to admit that I really think "The Sky Is Crying" is a pretty damn fine album. His versions of Little Wing and Chitlins Con Carne are excellent.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 25 March 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'll defend "Life By The Drop" to my death.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 03:20 (twenty years ago) link

This is irrelevant, but the restaurant where I work has large paintings of dead rock stars all over the walls. And one of them is Stevie Ray Vaughn.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

In what state of decomposition is he in picture?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link

I saw SRV twice when I was a teenager, he was great. The guitar line on "Couldn't Stand the Weather" winds like a snake.

earlnash, Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.spaceshipnofuture.org/pix/kingofblues.jpg

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Wow how nice fortunate hazel,

You, your dad, and the rest of you family jerking-off together around the statue. You have admitted that you are a real fudge packing, cock smoking, 100% Faggot. Have fun queer.

Srvgoogler, Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

wow, who pissed on your statue this morning?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

See, Mr. Googler, it's this type of post which makes most of us conclude you are a figure of fun who deserves laughter, and we hope that eventually you overcome your internalized homophobia.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

internalized?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

Man, homophobia really TURNS ME ON!

*sweats furiously*

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

internalized?

Well, it's starting to bubble up. And how odd that he would assume that the figures were jerking off instead of pissing -- I almost sense jealousy!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

Well I don't know about googler, but I would put a bullet through your fucking head hazel if I ever got the chance because you are bottom feeding piece of shit. Who is sick enough to stoop so low. What a total disrepect.

It looks like they are whackin off out of jealousy of SRV to me also. Ned, Every post I read you always have some smartass remark. I'm tired of reading your bullshit, I know you are just a little bitch with nothing else to do. Let me know if you ever need your ass-kicked, I will gladly do it.

Teddy Cain, Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Seventh-grade study hall has to be over by now, dude. You need to get your rectangular pizza for lunch.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

What in the fuck are you talking about? You must have come here looking for a fight, I will give it to you. Stop being a bitch.

Teddy Cain, Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I am wounded, oh dearie me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

*throws a punch*

roll 2d6 damage

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

"Google, It brings out the Nutjobs!" tm pending

earlnash, Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

dood you guys should settle this behind the gym at 3pm like all other 11-yr olds...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, hold on, I wanna test out my psionic powers.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Ned you little pussy, where are you from?

Here is something I learned Seventh-grade:

Raggett rhymes with Faggot

Teddy Cain, Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link


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