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Note to self: hit eBay / illegal channels of procurement to find Red Heaven w/ live disc & the House Tornado / Fat Skier twofer. & maybe dust off the TM CDs you just unpacked there, spanky.

― David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Don't see anything wrong with the Xgau quote. He doesn't like the music, and even if that dislike stems from something he's projecting onto it, he's still entitled to his opinon, which he articulates clearly. The association of the Muses/Hersh with Lovecraft/Nin/Galas doesn't seem entirely off-base to me (Galas being the biggest stretch), and I say that as a fan of all of 'em.

Anyway, I'm with those who rate the first album (and the even better Chains Changed EP) slightly higher than even the best of what followed.

― Pye Poudre, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

There are definitely a few singular moments on the 1st album that need to be heard. That screamed "Welcome home!" still gives me goosebumps, even though I know it's coming.

― dlp9001, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

milton's post speaks for me. as far as faves go.

also otm is live mania blowing away album version. but this is true of most throwing muses songs. one of the great live rock bands of my time. 12 inch with live mania and santa claus b-sides is one of the most invigorating things i own. santa claus easily in my top ten of muses songs. maybe top five. ahhh, it kills. first saw them live right before house tornado came out and i should have carved the date on my arm. (there is a tape i made of that show around somewhere. as well as radio IDs they did for me and my radio show. never been more petrified of meeting people in my life. i was a wreck.)

― scott seward, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

By some strange twist of fate, I saw the Muses live more times than any other band. I don't know how to explain this except that they toured a lot and I went anytime they did a show within 2 hours of where I lived. I talked to them a few times, they seemed like nice people.

For some reason I never got around to getting the In The Doghouse thing. I had the demos on a cassette, so I didn't feel the urgency, but I always planned to get it someday. Wanted to kick myself when it was mentioned here. I don't recall the demos being all that earth shattering, though.

― Bimble, Saturday, 24 February 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

i love how they leave such room for re-investigation.

― Surmounter, Sunday, 25 February 2007 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

OK so i'm listening to the 2003 Throwing Muses and i'm on a deadline but i'm getting into it so much i had to post.

anyone empthasize? the burn of the guitars, with the harmonies. yum.

― Surmounter, Saturday, 3 March 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I find I like TM overall much more now than I did "at the time." I quite liked Hunkpapa when it came out, but never ran across anyone else who seemed to (odd since I was living in Boston). And Real Ramona had those great, great singles.

Last year I finally got around to listening to Sleater-Kinney. I'm not sure I should be making any connections, but when I did start listening to TM again, I found it much more rewarding -- I was getting something out of Hersh and not just standing against the wall, watching the crazy boho chick.

― mitya, Saturday, 3 March 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

lol... vast difference though! sleater has never been my cup of tea...

― Surmounter, Saturday, 3 March 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Updates...

I bought Hunkpapa a few days ago...I will agree with F. Hazel and bimble that the production: when it's not oppressive (I totally understand why "Mania" would kill live; the album version made me wonder why Hersh is yelling so goddamn much) it's vulgar (the synth tinkles that underpin a depressing number of songs). "Dragonhead" strikes me as second-rate Donnelly, a rehearsal for the twinkle-twinkle-little-star moments on Star and King.

The best tracks: "Dizzy"s killer hook, "Fall Down" (the line about showing a girl her stitches and starting a rock and roll band is unexpectedly poignant), and "No Parachutes."

Still no pox on The Real Ramona[i/] or [i]University.

Next: the s/t, yes?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

mmm... Dizzy and Red Shoes are all I need, but I needs 'em good.

― rogermexico., Tuesday, 13 March 2007 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

short answer: classic
long answer: ...yeah, still classic

― get bent, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

The Tom of 2001 could easily get a job with the Guardian, writing like that.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

I DON'T REMEMBER
I DON't REMEMBER
IF I SAW GOD HERE OR NOT

― Noodle Vague, Monday, 30 April 2007 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hhahahahahaha! You know it! Don't make me pull out my CD's!

― Bimble, Monday, 30 April 2007 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

The entire album is awe-inspiring from start to finish. I remember when I first heard them I thought they were strange, not annoying but strange, and then I began to understand there were hooks in that strangeness, and I was hooked. Maybe that's why I still like the first album the most because it was such a shock going from a non-Muses world to one in which they existed. They were truly one of a kind.

So so so so OTM.

I remember when I first heard them, it was "Cry Baby Cry" (their original, not the beatles cover). I was appalled and fascinated in equal measure, I didn't know what to make of the strange all over the place time signatures and her cracked voice.

Then it sunk in like a spooked strange bad dream you kinda like thinking back over all the time because it makes you feel all weird on the inside in a secret good way.

― Trayce, Monday, 30 April 2007 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

just got another copy of Real Ramona in the mail... mine was roughed up. so excited.

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

i have to sleep tangled in my families hair build a house of something and grow a mask and something and something i can't sayit

she was my head in 1989. she was in my head

― Noodle Vague, Monday, 30 April 2007 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

u know what's been in my head for like a week?

kissing you's like kissing gravel, it feels like getting off, kissing you's like sinking down into the mud - you look better upside down. you look better lying down.

is limbo underrated?

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

I have to write an essay/review this week. A very educational thread.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 30 April 2007 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

ooh i wanna read

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

He
Wont ride in cars anymore
It reminds him of
Blowjobs
That he's a queer
And his hair
Stuck to the roof over the wheel
Like a pigeon on a tire
Goes around
And circles over circles...

That song's always been very strange to me, what is it about? Why did they used to refuse to perform it?

― Trayce, Monday, 30 April 2007 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

(When I saw them live once mind you they did - and they did Delicate Cutters!!! Best night ever)

― Trayce, Monday, 30 April 2007 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Limbo always seems to be forgotten.

'Serene', 'LIMBO' and 'Ruthie's Knocking' are songs that most other bands would kill for.

― SeekAltRoute, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

not to mention cowbirds, which was my fav for a while. but tar kissers takes the cake for me.

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a big fan of Limbo.

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Tar Kissers is awesome. "kissing you's like kissing gravel, it feels like getting off" :D

― Trayce, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, tar kissers is like the epitome of what "hook" means to me. that whole fucking song is a hook.

yeah limbo's great. if i were to like tweak it, i'd add some synths in the middle there :-)

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

u put cake down my throat and in my face, what can i give you? what can i take?

omg orgasm

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

OH, and SHARK

SUBLIME!!!

'i could kiss you for remembering my birthday, you should thank me for remembering your name'

― Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

so house tornado. i like it but the production kills me.

― Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm working on my essay now; this thread has proven quite helpful.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

good i'm so excited alfred!!!

― Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

That song's always been very strange to me, what is it about? Why did they used to refuse to perform it?

"vicky's box" is pretty clearly about a closeted gay man, no? "I feel boxed in, home is where the heart lies, etc"

also, the doghouse demo version of it rules.

― Edward III, Thursday, 3 May 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that is kind of what I thought.

― Trayce, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

That's the trouble: her songs aren't very clear about anything. I mean, they portend more than they limn situations.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

very true

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

that has KINDA bothered me before but everything else was just so untroubled that i've ignored it

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have heard one (1) song by this band. Because of this thread I am getting more.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

seriously

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

wat song?

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Personal blissful TM fave of mine: "Flood", from University.

Fly, and you get high, right?
Fly, you'll get by, alright?
Oh god I'm high...

I fucking love that song. It is so joyous.

― Trayce, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

(btw thats not an answer to yr Q, surmounter)

― Trayce, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

But as to her lyrics... I love how weird and evocative and "could mean anything" they are. I'm sure I have read her say before that, esp in the early days, she just came out with things that felt/sounded good, things came from somewhere else within her. She was completely bipolar, so who knows where it came from. But I love her lyrics to death, they are such ungraspable poetry.

― Trayce, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

; ) i haven't listened to University in SO long. at the time, i thought it was a bit overprocessed sounding but now i'm thinking i could absolutely sink into the Flooding of its soundscapes. the songwriting is different on University, or something.

i'm gonna reinvestigate this album very soon, as soon as i'm done with this latest hersh. have you guys been listening to this? i really feel like i'm listening to the muses, but more sophisticated. but i came online to post on the hersh thread and now i'm here, appropriately enough i guess ; )

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

and it was so funny u know cuz i'm standing in front of her at this stage and i'm thinking, you're manic and and i'm manic, and that's crazy Mania action happening, man

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

*yes there's something to her lyrics/vocals that saves them, a believability

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Trayce, "Flood" is my favorite University song; I listened to it three times this morning. Thanks for mentioning it.

I should say: I don't mind Hersh's approach to lyric writing ("Flood" is a great example of ambiguity that's powerfully sexual). By its very nature, though, it's uneven.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

I read Flood as more about love redeeming, than anything - she sings "Ryde, you're my bright light" in one line, presumably to her son Ryder.

― Trayce, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

But god now I need to listen to it so much and Ive no TM music on me at work :(

― Trayce, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

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