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What album would you suggest to someone who's only heard Opportunities and Paninaro? I really love these songs and want buy something by these guys.

Boxcar (Crapstone), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

popart

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

You've heard two (comparatively) upbeat songs, so it probably makes sense to go with their most upbeat album, which is "Very". If not, then obviously popart is a great starting point.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yep, "Very" or "Actually" would be a good point to begin...

HS

hector savage, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Those two songs are both from the "Please" era. I'd rather say their two albums from the first half of the 90s remain their strongest work though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say get all their early albums, up to maybe ten years ago. If that sounds too much, Pop Art is both great in itself and a decent guide to what stuff you like.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Echoing the PopArt recommendation. I'd almost say just get the DVD, it's around the same price and has all the songs plus the videos, though it doesn't include the singles specifically recorded for it, as well as the mix disc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Just out of curiosity (as I've got both records):

Are people now offering Popart as a suggestion *instead* of the discography/singles collection? I've often wondered why they did so much overlap between the two - to me it would've made more sense to make a single-disc second volume of the discography/singles collection, as the first stands pretty mightily on its own.
(they put everything on from the first, save Was It Worth It)

it all just seems a bit unnecessary to me

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The first is definitely a treat and has the advantage (?) of chronological progression. In that respect, the DVD is useful, as it *does* have "Was It Worth It?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Discography is a far superior collection. All PSB albums from 1986-93 plus the two-volume Alternative compilation of B-sides are likewise indispensable.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

All PSB albums from 1986-93 plus the two-volume Alternative compilation of B-sides are likewise indispensable.

Here's a TS for you -- buying them in that format vs. the double-disc reissues from Please to Very which include all the Alternative cuts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

those double-diec reissues were one of the best purchases i ever made

i like how the first disc left the album intact and the second filled in with all kinds of neat mixes, demos and b-sides

so, naturally i'll say the double-disc versions

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm...I'm sentimentally attached to the original Alternative package, as it came out the same day as Goldie's Timeless and the cover designs/colour schemes of the two virtually matched. Also I like the idea of a bleak Bizarro-world Pet Shop Boys where things like "Your Funny Uncle" or "We All Feel Better In The Dark" were the hits. That Monday was also overcast and cloudy. I recall standing on Vauxhall Bridge that morning listening to "Do I Have To?" on my Discman and getting that Hart Crane moment.

But if you're on a budget then I guess just go for the double-disc reissues.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i love the b-side collections, but i wouldn't recommend it to someone who'd just heard those 2 trax!

both popart and discography are DEAD CHEAP, so there's little in it. pop art gives you a taste of the later stuff - which might be of use to someone who'd heard v little. i do prefer discography cos i'm not taken with the later stuff all that much :-(

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the reissues have been great, with the bonus mixes etc. esp as i first bought them on cassette, so the "format upgrade" feels easier to justify to my wallet

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

PopArt does a better job of summarising their late albums than Discography does the earlies. Less filler on the early albums, which is why you really need everything up to "Very" ideally.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The double-disc versions. Not only for the remastered quality, but for the hefty booklets of anecdotal song origins. Their wit shines in those booklets. Plus as rentboy says, first disc keeps the album intact, which should placate the purist.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd get please and actually. and suburbia. wait is that last one an album? whats disco? is that a remixed version of suburbia? whatever, get the first two, then the one with th bluey green blurred cover

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

AMbrose is trying to say "Get _Please_, _Actually_, and _Disco_." I Agree with him but also suggest _Alternative_ because that's easily the best compilation of PSB material out that I've heard.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

PopArt > Discography, because you just cannot write off everything post-93, no way, no sir.

Specifically: Se A Vida E (pure concentrated joy in a can), A Red Letter Day (it GETS me, man), I Don't Know What You Want..., You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk (dissing, punk, hee!), Home And Dry (makes me cry), I Get Along (it's about Blair-n-Mandy u kno).

And also because Discography's strictly chronological timeline gets a bit wearing; the "pop"/"art" split may border on the arbitrary at times, but the track sequencing is still intelligently done.

Most glaring omission from Alternative: the swing version of "Can You Forgive Her", re-recorded with a full swing band arrangement, and at least 98% as good as the original.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello whats the hart crane moment?
i know what u mean and all but who/what the heck is hart crane?

(oh and check the INGA 1990 cover of DO I HAVE TO? if u haven't).

piscesboy, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't like "Can You Forgive Her?" It pales in comparison to "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing", "Yesterday When I Was Mad", "One And One Make Five" and "Liberation (E Smoove mix)".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

dan has surprised me.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

He has sorta surprised me, but please keep in mind one of his few moments of mentalism in an otherwise sane existence is his bizarre insistence that Introspective has only one good song on it, "I'm Not Scared." (Which is very good indeed but IS NOT ALONE.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like "Go West", either.

It's odd because I really adore most of their stuff (I loved _Release_, for example, and think "Home And Dry" is genius) but there are certain things that really, really aggravate me, like "Domino Dancing", "Always On My Mind", "Can You Forgive Her?", and "Go West", but those things are greatly overshadowed by the fact that most of their tracks are as great as "Se A Vida E (Deep Dish Mix)" or "The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On" or every version of "I Want A Dog" that doesn't appear on _Introspective_.

(xpost RAISE YOUR STANDARDS, PSB FANS)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

You only don't like Domino Dancing because you're American!
(yes, I'm being flip)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

DAN, IS YOUR BLOOD BOILING?!?!?!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I maintain that if "Don Juan" had been the single and "Domino Dancing" had been the b-side, I would have had a completely different reaction to _Introspective_ (besides "I'm Not Scared", most of the other tracks on it either aren't that bad or have versions elsewhere that I love but proximity to/association with "Domino Dancing" makes that entire package like Kryptonite to me).

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

whoa "Always On My Mind" is stunning, as is "Can You Forgive Her".

other favourites-
"Love Comes Quickly"
"So Hard"
"West End Girls" (obviously)
"Kings Cross"

I could go on, and on. best band ever.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

**I don't like "Go West", either.**

WHAAAATTT??? This is madness. Holy shit, that track is so utterly great.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yes I have to agree.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I agree with the last four songs you listed, Ronan! ESPECIALLY "Love Comes Quickly" and "King's Cross"! There are just certain PSB tracks that I can't get my head around.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

can you forgive her makes me want to punch things. that's a good thing.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's an invisible line in my head between "outrageously clever" and "pretentiously pandering" and the PSB songs I dislike go over that line in some vague, undefined way.

I also know that part of my issue with _Introspective_ is the super-heavy hand of Shep Pettibone.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(an ILX poll of PSB songs is in the works, obv)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

are they the stereotypical ILXors favourite band?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty damned close. That or the Junior Boys. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway:

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

I have to hurt you now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

My work here is done!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

...or the Dismemberment Plan, or Annie From Norway, or Lene Nystrom, or Luomo, or Saint Etienne, or Pulp, or Ricardo Villalobos, or...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Annie, Villalobos and Luomo are not actually bands.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

But only five people on here like Lene, Marcello! (PSB and Pulp are my favourite 80s and 90s artists and I'm not even a typical ILMer)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

but they're ALL WHITE!

i smell heavy handed ILX racism at work

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost about Lene)

Six if you count me. Play With Me is a superb metapop album.

Acid Alliteration, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

...or Jay-Z, or Ludacris, or Teedee Moses, or Saul Williams, or Destiny's Child, or...

Marcello "Acid Alliteration" Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

BACK TO PET SHOP BOYS

Is anyone else happy like I am that they've released the DVD of their Behaviour tour? Especially since I missed it. When they played LA. In 1991. When I was out of town that week. And couldn't catch them. WHEN THEY PLAYED WHAT WAS APPARENTLY ONE OF THEIR BEST SHOWS ON THE TOUR ACCORDING TO PET SHOP BOYS VERSUS AMERICA. But I digress.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

At some point, when I'm very very good and actually own a DVD player, I will purchase that.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Behaviour tour - Wembley Arena - highlight of one's life

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely you don't find Go West to be 'pretentious pandering', Dan? It's absolutely *pure* in execution and delivery - and goes right to the heart of what maked the PSBs so great. It's just a huge gush of emotion.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As opposed to the group Go West, who certainly could be categorised as "pretentious pandering."

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

A further update on that terrible cover -- Nate Patrin remembered the ad for the miniseries using it. You will note, how you say, a creative edit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4R_C2L4Wmk

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:22 (five years ago)

Re: That Downy ad. I submit for consideration LG selling washing machines by reinterpreting "Got Your Money":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEwxtg35BUo

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:33 (five years ago)

why are there so many street signs in that montage

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:47 (five years ago)

Billionaire Boys Club was nominated for four Emmys: Outstanding Miniseries, Outstanding Directing in a Miniseries or Special, Outstanding Writing in a Miniseries or Special, and Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Miniseries or Special for Ron Silver

lol

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:50 (five years ago)

Really speaks to the sheer paucity of quality around then. "It MUST be important, it's about wannabe rich assholes in LA like us!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:55 (five years ago)

Whenever I think of the Pet Shop Boys in pop culture I always think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW8TIAHyAE0

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 19:37 (five years ago)

YES! on the Tag Team Geico ad being the #1 ad of the moment. I crack myself up inserting "Sprinkles!" mentally into conversations. The expression on the son's?/daughter's? faces are great, too.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 22 March 2021 19:42 (five years ago)

One thing I like about the Tag Team commercial is that I (and I assume a lot of people) had idea what the guys looked like, and even if I did, it's kind of taken on faith that these are the same guys. And yeah, "Sprinkles!"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 19:52 (five years ago)

the tag team commercial also underscores the fact that "whoomp there it is" is a truly excellent song that we've taken for granted

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 20:04 (five years ago)

I mentioned this piece briefly but it is worth a read

https://theundefeated.com/features/behind-the-delightful-success-of-tag-team-hit-commercial-with-geico/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 20:11 (five years ago)

AD WARS - tag team's "whoomp there it is" vs. pet shop boys' "opportunities"

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 22:13 (five years ago)

bilingual then backwards and anything after bilingual is crap!

xzanfar, Monday, 22 March 2021 22:59 (five years ago)

nah

Vinnie, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 11:55 (five years ago)

Geico wins Mad Men Ace Award because visuals of Allstate spoiled by shitty singing hood ornament, looking like a sweetened-up Wicked Witch, but musically I find "Opportunities" more exciting.

dow, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:57 (five years ago)

one year passes...

I can't recall many good covers of PSB songs, except by Liza/Dusty etc, but this a lovely and summery, found by accident on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/4clr0ehfzrEKvLepw4WffW?si=9c65ffc509534d5c

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:30 (three years ago)

three years pass...

I saw an announcement for Disco 5 and got very excited, then looked at the track listing:

https://shop.petshopboys.co.uk/eu/disco-5-1cd/5021732831224.html

*sad trombone*

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 16:11 (eight months ago)

Christ.

Madchen, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 17:41 (eight months ago)

The fuck is that all about

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 17:50 (eight months ago)

Have always thought the music of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds was perfect for a remix

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 17:54 (eight months ago)

"What did you DO?" "It's our John Cage tribute."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:03 (eight months ago)

Not seeing the problem tbh. I don't know these remixes but I can't imagine any of them are bad?

I mean I don't like Sleaford Mods at all but I can sort of tolerate them on those Orbital and Prodigy tracks, but idk.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 19:11 (eight months ago)

the Weller one is fantastic.

piscesx, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 22:39 (eight months ago)

Was always a bit let down that their supposed 'guitar' album Release wasn't rockist enough

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 23:05 (eight months ago)

Their version of "I'm in Love with a German Film Star" was a surprising failure. On paper it sounds like it should work brilliantly, but the actual results were as flat as a pancake.

Vast Halo, Wednesday, 1 October 2025 08:52 (eight months ago)

one month passes...

PSB are excited to announce “Obscure Pet Shop Boys”, a special run of five intimate shows in April 
2026 at London’s Electric Ballroom. The concerts will feature a setlist of non-single album tracks, b-sides and fan favourites. Full details to be revealed here this Wednesday, 12th November.

nashwan, Monday, 10 November 2025 10:18 (six months ago)

sounds fun!

LocalGarda, Monday, 10 November 2025 12:40 (six months ago)

That would be so fun rather than a typical hit-leaning show.

the way out of (Eazy), Monday, 10 November 2025 23:28 (six months ago)

yeah I would love that, when I saw Sparks it was that kind of setlist - not that they really have that many 'hits', but it was stuffed with deep cuts and so many tracks I'd never even consider they'd whip out, made it so much fun

frogbs, Monday, 10 November 2025 23:32 (six months ago)

That sounds amazing.

"Play 'Your Funny Uncle'!", the audience cried. "Searching for the Face of Jesus!", a small faction demanded.

Fed up with your constant and uniform motion (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 07:51 (six months ago)

Fingers crossed this becomes a small venues tour. Might live to regret not making the trip to London though.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 10:43 (six months ago)

Chris doing One of the Crowd would surely raise the roof.

piscesx, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 14:02 (six months ago)

I was just listening to Alternative this weekend and wondering why they didn’t do a tour like this so I of course take full credit for this happening

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 14:46 (six months ago)

I get excited (ILM gets excited too)!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 14:55 (six months ago)

perhaps my favorite PSB chorus - "Miserablism...is is...and isn't isn't"

they really oughta repress the Alternative 3xLP, the people are clamoring for it, also as I recall the later B-sides collection called Format was pretty good as well?

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 15:01 (six months ago)

There's been some speculation in this thread, I see

There were a couple deep cuts when I saw them on the Fundamental tour, "Shopping" a particularly fun one. This tour is a phenomenal idea

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 17:20 (six months ago)

I would love to see Shopping, it’s been one of my faves since 1987! Occasionally used as background music on telly, over a montage of rampant 1980s consumerism.

Madchen, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 17:38 (six months ago)

Yeah, terrific version on the 2006 tour. They played "Two Divided By Zero" in 2009!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 17:41 (six months ago)

Nice, would have loved to see that! They played "Dreaming of the Queen" on the 2006 tour as well, which was the biggest surprise for me, but I don't think it fully worked live

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 19:04 (six months ago)

Lost my shit when they played 'Two Divided By Zero' at Primavera 2010 (also for 'Why Don't We Live Together?')

nashwan, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:08 (six months ago)

The latter is my favorite PSB song.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:09 (six months ago)

Raisin' the literal negroni in my hand rn to you

nashwan, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:41 (six months ago)

idk why this is but every time I visit Mexico I hear multiple Pet Shop Boys songs out in the wild...while downtown or in restaurants or whatever...they really love 'em there

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:45 (six months ago)

yes Format was also great, and not just because it opened with their best B-side ever

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 21:58 (six months ago)

When I saw them in 1991, the deep cuts included "My October Symphony", "I'm Not Scared", "We All Feel Better in the Dark", "So Sorry, I Said" and yes, "Your Funny Uncle".

Also, the encore began with Neil arriving alone onstage with an acoustic guitar to perform the first verse of "Always on My Mind".

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:08 (six months ago)

^^ released on VHS and laserdisc, remastered and expanded on DVD with a commentary track from Chris, Neil and Chris Heath

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:59 (six months ago)

I get a zillion times more mileage out of Format than one might have predicted during the era covered, given that my attentiveness to even their A-sides had really dropped away through the post-imperial period. I was a fool around the turn of the century, basically.

Fed up with your constant and uniform motion (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 23:18 (six months ago)

Just tried to pre-order the announced book Volume as a means of getting priority for the gig but it's rejecting my payment details ugh.

nashwan, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 10:52 (six months ago)

there’s a no-purchase-necessary link here

https://npn.wmx.co/petshopboysobscurepresale

piscesx, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 11:46 (six months ago)

TY!

nashwan, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 13:50 (six months ago)

My favorite was when they played "Do I have To" on the Yes tour.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 23:01 (six months ago)


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