the band that best addrsses 'Irishness' and the subject of Ireland

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― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe sinead o'connor.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

...there's a doofus in white gazing away at something?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

1000 miles, the Proclaimers

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't they scottish? not that it should necessarily preclude them...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

500 miles by the proclaimers is scottish. 1000 miles by the proclaimers is ALL IRISH, baby.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The Alkaholiks, surely?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Black 47 comes to mind.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 17 May 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

House of Pain

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 17 May 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

mr. vegas feat. irishman

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 May 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm thinking New MOdel Army...

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Dropkick Murphys.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

New Model Army are NOT Irish, goddammit.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

POGUES TO THREAD, WTF YOU GUYS??

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it difficult to believe that no one has yet made reference to that Morrissey single.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Stiff Little Fingers

― ..., Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Sunday Bloody U2 Sunday.

― John Melon (melon), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

U2?

* ducks *

x-post, i got beat to it

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Pogues, Stiff Little Fingers both OTM

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Dexy's Midnight Runners? Specifically 'Don't stand me down'.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ash.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

My Bloody Valentine. Van Morrison.

I'm spent.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

bush

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

thin lizzy

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Front 242

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

lorenna mckennet

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

what's the name of that Irish folky.

Christy Moore or something.

That guy.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

besides being irish, what do My bloody valentine do to address the subject of irishness and ireland? ughhh.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, and Bush... WTF!

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the best U2 album seems to mostly be about america.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

U2 is a bit suspect. They're not provincial enough.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw "the commitments" on cable this afternoon.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/toeye/dubliners/merbilder/dubhoved2003.jpg

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The (formerly "Irish") Rovers, of course. Or maybe Johnny Johnson and The Shamrocks.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The Sawdoctors - "N17"

― Michael B, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Boney M. Billy Bragg. Orbital.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, who are the band that best addresses "Swissness", and the subject of Switzerland?
Is Ireland really worthy of this kind of debate in this day and age? We arguably have little to distinguish us by now from a dozen other small, high-tech first world nations. An Irish band who were truly addressing the burning issues of their country would be writing songs about foreign holidays, house prices and hospital waiting lists, because they're the kind of things that people here are concerned with.
U2 haven't written a song about Ireland for twenty years, and the Pogues' self-concious Oirishiness - a dichotomy of boozy raucousness and the melancholy of the hopeless alcoholic - was only ever representative of a small facet of the national character.

― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Geez Palomino, way to take the fun out of this thread.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

None of them.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.paddygoestoholyhead.de/news/pics/rld1.jpg

― Michael B, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

and they're German!

― Michael B, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

THE UNDERTONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Microdisney and The Fatima Mansions quite obviously own this thread.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"Well, who are the band that best addresses "Swissness", and the subject of Switzerland?"

NEUTRAL milk hotel! *winks*

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

> Geez Palomino, way to take the fun out of this thread.

Bah, humbug.

― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

really who gives a shit?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

correct.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

itr's the thing i hate abt irish music more than anything else - its obsession w/ self/ makes it horribly parochial and popular with people hung up on "the old country". drives me nuts.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That's interesting DS: do you think it differs much from Jamaican music (and music of the Jamaican diaspora) in the 'self-obsessed' and 'harking back to the old country' stakes?

(Possible answer: JA music seems to be on a tip of continuously re-telling / mythologising the present day...).

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

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I used to play football (soccer) with the lead singer of Primordial when I was a kid. He's one of my best friend's cousins.

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:53 (seventeen years ago)

my best mate was introduced to his GF by one of the thrills at a wedding, and subsequently given the use of his posh room to consummate said meeting.

that pic from the youtube primordial is five mins from me.

i got nothin else.

― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:22 (seventeen years ago)

that was actually my dad

seriously tho, first sentence, are you saying your mate slept with guy from primordial's gf? or the dude from the thrills? i saw the thrills in aladdin's on brick lane last thurs. the circle is complete.

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:25 (seventeen years ago)

introduced to his own future gf, not a gf of any of the thrills. that i am aware of.

― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:28 (seventeen years ago)

ah okay, now i understand. the dublin indie scene is pretty small. a lot of bands/artists i thought were irredeemably shite turn out to be v nice and good fun and into techno.

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:29 (seventeen years ago)

their music still shite tho...imo

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:30 (seventeen years ago)

certainly.

― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:39 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7NV52UApGY
Women from the UK/Ireland area have the most soothing songs/voices. This girl, Enya, Leona Lewis, Dolores O'Riordan from the cranberries to name a few.
Just something about celtic women singing that calms the soul.
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― pizza pizza and cult jam (crüt), Saturday, 28 April 2012 07:40 (fourteen years ago)

has never heard Dolores O honk like a sealion on "Zombie" i take it

― seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:19 (fourteen years ago)

the band ronan was looking for singing about young posh middleclass upwardly mobile ireland (but well aware of cultural nationalism's importance to edge in the celt angle) are probably bell x1 tbh, cf reacharound

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:05 (fourteen years ago)

but i mean the chieftains were suckin diesel last night on jools holland and if we can go back to the dubliners, those are good answers too.

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:09 (fourteen years ago)

just think of all those douce celtic sirens like sinead o'connor, jessie j and the melifluous cerys from catatonia

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:11 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQcnepLAu0k

― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:14 (fourteen years ago)

NPR says they deliver “a brilliant co-mingling of electronic music and anthemic pop rock”.[4] The band is named after the Bell X-1, the first supersonic aircraft in history.

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:15 (fourteen years ago)

co-mingling

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:15 (fourteen years ago)

The Clancy Brothers with Tommy Makem

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 28 April 2012 20:46 (fourteen years ago)

They're called The Hairy Bowsies*, and their songs tackle Perfidious Albion (Ye Dirty English Bastards) and sacred cows such as the 1916 Rising (The Craic We Had The Day We Died For Ireland) and the Potato Famine (Jaysus, The Spuds Aren't Lookin' The Best).

I thought this was Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly, one of whose tunes is reputed to feature the lovely lyric "Flow river flow / fuck off to the sea".

I understand that the same person was also behind Tony St. James and the Joshua Trio.

― The New Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:56 (fourteen years ago)

an old website: http://indigo.ie/~lwp/dingdong/

― The New Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:59 (fourteen years ago)

seven years pass...

I know everyone will tell me to fuck off but what about those Fontaines DC lads

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

i was hoping this revive was going to be about Fontaines DC

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 12:49 (six years ago)

I’ve never heard of them! Will check them out.

I also just saw The Blizzards have a new album out, dubious because I feel they are really best remembered at the time I experienced them (plus my favourite of theirs is a bside I got on mytunes circa 2006 that didn’t make it onto the album ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 12:53 (six years ago)

Crying at this Genius annotation in Boys in the Better Land

Carrolls is an Irish brand of cigarettes which had its headquarters in Dundalk Ireland. The traditional Irish ownership and production location so close to the border with Northern Ireland makes it a popular cigarette with Irish Republican smokers – the type of person that might spit out “Brits Out”

― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 12:58 (six years ago)

riiiiight

I started off smoking Carrolls!

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:10 (six years ago)

Yeah I mean Carrolls is, what, a pretty normal brand? Are Major more authentocrat?!

― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:14 (six years ago)

Nah Major is an aul fella brand surely

― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:16 (six years ago)

Major are like Carrolls' harder older stockier brother

Do these brands exist anymore?

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:17 (six years ago)

They do!

https://shop.supervalu.ie/shopping/newsagent-tobacco-cigarettes-major-25-s-1-piece-/p-1544159000

― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:21 (six years ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Sweetafton.jpg

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:30 (six years ago)

^^^ discounted 2011, proper aul fella fags

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:31 (six years ago)

Absolutely stunned that there is no mention whatsoever of Cathal Coughlan on this thread. For shame . . .

― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:36 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRe0Jses5hw

― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 14:40 (six years ago)

Absolutely stunned that there is no mention whatsoever of Cathal Coughlan on this thread. For shame . . .

Microdisney and The Fatima Mansions quite obviously own this thread.
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:10 (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

― fetter, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 14:58 (six years ago)

Ah, I did a word search for his surname.

― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:26 (six years ago)

No mention of Flogging Molly though

― AMM stands for Axe-Murdering Motherfuckers (Matt #2), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:48 (six years ago)

no mention of the Rubberbandits as far as i can see

― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:53 (six years ago)

for shame...

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

xp had this been 2011 I would have been happy to write about how much I loved Serious About Men! Always rated them

― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 16:31 (six years ago)

I really love the Fontaines DC album but it’s the kind of experience where I could imagine being talked out of it.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

I know what you mean. someone on my FB feed dismissed it as 'Lamacq-core' but you know, if every UK indie rock band is gonna get called that while the likes of Ought and Parquet Courts are allowed then it's not fair. Also, compared to Idles who I find fun but super-cringy, there's no comparison

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:59 (six years ago)

ahem

― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:00 (six years ago)

both Dad Punk tbf

― a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:08 (six years ago)

Theres nothing blindingly original about them (and why does that have to be the be all and end all) by any means but I love them. "Boys in the better land" is a banger

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:23 (six years ago)

And yes the lyrics do address what it's like to live in late '10s Dublin

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:25 (six years ago)

listening to them for the first time coincidentally. keep reminding me of the hold steady.

― thomasintrouble, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:55 (six years ago)

I definitely think Republic of Loose were responding to some idea of ''Irishness" in a more complex and nuanced way than Bono would have you believe:

"The Celtic twilight turned into Celtic soul with Van Morrison. Republic of Loose grabbed the Celtic tiger by the tail, swung it around their heads and threw it out the window into the cosmos. They're sophisticated soul bootboys."

― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 21 December 2019 04:36 (six years ago)

Cruelty Man

Once there was the cruelty man
The whip of the state in his hands
Creeping round the halting site to steal their infancy
If they held out in the ditches well then come the morn
They had to move on again
Brush that history down the shore, disinfect the corridors
Mother she is fallen & the father is unknown
Superior vile she burnt the files, left a generation in tatters

They’re rising, they’re rising, their chances of surviving
What’s really after happening in the fields?

A young one that was raped so young
Took decades to discover her tongue
Touch me daughter sergeant & I’ll break your fucking knees
You’re the bastion of misogyny
Protected by the baton of ignorance

They’re rising, they’re rising, their chances of surviving
What’s really after happening in the fields?

The parish is rising, the parish is rising
In the diocese & the villages that were poisoned
The parish is rising, the parish is rising
To find out what has happened in the fields

What kind of mind debased & rank
Buries babies in a septic tank

If there’s a heaven father then you’re going to fuckin hell
You may not have signed off the heinous crimes
But pulled down the blinds when they came for the answers

They’re rising, they’re their chances of surviving
What’s really after happening in the fields?

They’re rising, they’re rising but no-one’s televising
What’s really after happening in the fields?

― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 24 December 2019 02:30 (six years ago)

one year passes...

I'm posting this here because this is one of the few threads that's ever mentioned Christy Moore. I did a bit of a rabbit-hole dive on him recently — I was aware of him and love "Ride On," but hadn't really listened to much. In the course of that, the song that really leapt out at me was "Bright Blue Rose," which (like "Ride On") is a Jimmy MacCarthy song. Apparently kind of a modern standard in Ireland? Anyway, it's a beautiful tune and just wanted to call attention to it. I guess it somewhat fits this thread because its soaked in a sort of mystical literary Catholicism that feels very Irish to me. This is Christy and Jimmy singing it together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glGdAwGBt8s

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 12 March 2021 18:02 (five years ago)

two years pass...

Anyone listening to Kneecap from Ireland

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/music/kneecap-irish-rap-celtic-revival.html

― curmudgeon, Monday, 2 October 2023 16:02 (two years ago)

Yeah I like them

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Monday, 2 October 2023 16:09 (two years ago)

ctrl-F "Planxty"
HWAT/?

― ian, Monday, 2 October 2023 16:26 (two years ago)

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