This Is The Thread Where We Praise And Canonize Paul McCartney's "Ram"

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I've never heard the thing, but I really need to hear some effusive praise for Ram so that I can hear it, get really pissed off about how much it sucks and then buy Kill Your Idols and feel that somebody understands.

Bring on the Ram love.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really really bad.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved Ram. When I was 14.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

you people should start a Ram hate thread. This is the Ram love thread.

HERE WE GO!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

way before i clicked
i knew this was anthony.
i bet we all did.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The goodness of McCartney's solo work is directly proportional to how much pot he was smoking at the time he put the record together. Ergo, the two that he did by himself at his house ("McCartney" and "McCartney II") and the two that he did when he wasn't concerned with a band identity ("Ram" and "Red Rose Speedway") are the best. The next candidate would be "Wildlife", wherein he was only marginally concerned with being in a band.

Go ahead and buy "Ram". It can't be that expensive, and you'll probably like it. It has the most extensive Beach Boys homage of his solo work, and some good examples of that sort of linear song structure at which he excels (where it's just a progression of bits rather than verse-chorus-verse). Yes, there's some goofy and even embarassing bits on it, but anyone buying a Macca record knows to expect that. It's a totally unpretentious and, at times, charming album.

Nice haiku, Begs2Differ!

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm. The Amg review doesn't exactly back up the five star rating does it?

de, Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

That review is actually in the AMG book I have, but I KNOW the album didn't get a five-star rating then. At best it was four, and I wanna say three. They've changed star ratings a lot (Weezer's first two albums were just four stars in the book, now they get fives!)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

A numerical star rating from a website that employs a hundred or so reviewers can't mean that much as barometer of quality. My five-star rankings wouldn't be expected to correspond to those of a reviewer that had very diiferent tastes yet worked for the same entity (and vice versa).

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ok actually it looks like it original had a three star review by William Ruhlmann and that Mr. Erlewine replaced it with his five star "rave."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i like any beatles solo stuff where they just say fuckit i'm rich on drugs/drunk i'm making this album in my bathroom and i don't care how it sounds. Ram has moments like that.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

More critical love for Ram:

"Fluff, sure, but darn catchy fluff!" - Roger Catlin, Musichound Rock: The Essential Album Guide, 1996.

"Brimming with melodies and intriguing ideas!" - William Ruhlmann, The All-Music Guide to Rock, 1995.

"Most of the songs are so lightweight they float away even as Paulie layers them down with caprices!" - Robert Christgau, Christgau's Record Guide, 1981.

"There are some nice moments...It's like watching someone juggle five guitars!" - Playboy, 9-71.

"wailing sentimentality!" - Billboard, 1971.

"I don't see how someone can play it and take in all that stuff and say 'I don't like it!" - Paul McCartney

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really really bad.

?!

Jody say it ain't so! It's a decent record. I don't LOVE it or anything, but it's ok. I got a vinyl copy for free. "Too Many People" is a great song.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

if not the worst album i've ever owned, certainly the most ANNOYING album i've ever owned. if i recall, what bugged me most was mccartney's inability to keep from doing that annoying needless backup scatting - "do do do do do do do do!" etc - in every single fucking song!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 10 April 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

http://subrealities.absoluteelsewhere.net/HouseofYeahYeahYeah/AHardDaysNight/TheBaggageCar/paul_wink.jpg

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

It is the sound of someone who simply doesn't care what others will think of his corniness and mediocrity. Strange production and song twists, a bit like Sly Stone in that way--just not nearly as good. But for its weirdness quite enjoyable to me, only heard it recently, probably doesn't wear too well.

no opinion, Saturday, 10 April 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

'Eat at Home' is almost cool but it's a minute too long.

'Heart of the Country' is a nice jazzy thing that if it had been on the White Album and had some input from the other beatles would have been 10x better.

Paul's 'wigging out' moments like around 3'20 of 'Too Many People' are fucking deadly.

de, Saturday, 10 April 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the self-titled debut better. The underdeveloped nature of Macca's songs on that suits the snappy disposability and homemade charm he's trying to evoke more effectively.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed. To use the dreaded dreaded word, it sounds more authentic.
The lo-fi, even rootsy feel is much sweeter. The overproduced glampop/rock on Ram mostly sucks. Sorry Anthony.

de, Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard this album because I figure that if I ever found myself in the situation of wanting to hear a McCartney solo album then it's time to end my life immediately

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Agreed. To use the dreaded dreaded word, it sounds more authentic."

Haha. Yuppers.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

well, there's a higher percentage of listenable songs on this one than on any single one of the later unending nightmares. I like 'too many people'.

I think I said this on another thread once, but I can only listen to Paul in moderation. I like many of his songs on the White Album, but if you listen to them all in a row, you'd be dead by Blackbird > Rocky Racoon.

(Jon L), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck all that, Ram is his best solo record.
Every song has at least one instance of beauty, either in the production or in the melody. He sounds like songs were just pouring out of him and he just casts them in all directions. Its loose and without any seeming agenda - no comeback, no back-to-my-roots, no attempt to sound like - or not sound like - the Beatles. Plus it has the best ever use of a ukelele in Rock on "Ram On". Plus the Beta Band ripped it off mecilessly on the 3 EPs. Plus the current cd version has "Another Day" as an extra track. Plus the artwork has that photo of one Beatle fucking another Beatle. Arf arf arf.

David Nolan (David N.), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"Too Many People" isn't so bad. This was actually one of the first albums I ever bought. I don't think it's too bad, but I wouldn't say it's abominable. "Ram On" isn't so bad either come to think of it. (I have to read posts to jog my memory. I haven't heard this for a long time, and am not about to buy a CD reissue.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to love "Hands across the water," or whatever it's called, when I was a kid. I think I'm over it.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"Back Seat of My Car" is...something.

Ian Grey (Ian_G), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this album is literally a masterpiece.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Meaning it's horrible?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

No. Anyone read Barry Miles' Many Years from Now McCartney bio? I think that book can turn the head of anyone who thinks McCartney is corny or a moron or whatever. There's an interesting new book called The Unknown McCartney or something that looks pretty interesting also. I think Ram is one of his best albums.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm one of the hardcore Beatles fans around here, but solo McCartney is pretty dismal, in my opinion.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you read that book, though??

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

No. I don't think I'm interested enough.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Great songs on Ram:

Too Many People
3 Legs
Ram On
Dear Boy
Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
Smile Away
Heart of the Country
Monkberry Moon Delight
Eat at Home
Long Haired Lady
Ram On (Reprise)
The Back Seat of My Car

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"Plus the Beta Band ripped it off mecilessly on the 3 EPs."

*SNICKER*

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Smile Away: is a great tune. It's nice to hear Paul get excited.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 11 April 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ugh. (and props to Miccio)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It has to perform two miracles.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Its one of the few things I have on vinyl -- part of my parent's collection.

I tried listening once. It wasn't very good.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Yellow Submarine" = Good
"Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey"=Bad?

Me no understand.

"Get Back" = Great
"Eat at Home" = Stinks?

Me no understand.

"Lady Madonna" = Classic
"Monkberry Moon Delight" = "The nadir in the decomposition of the sixties?"

Me no understand.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Ram is fucking classic and the only mccartney solo album I can listen to all the way through. there are moments of cheesiness, yes, but they're outnumbered by some excellent melodies and little bits of genius (I absolutely love the first 30 seconds of Uncle Albert, for instance). Back Seat of My Car, people! And Dear Boy is his best jabbing-at-Lennon song and sounds like it's straight off the White Album.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

Has 'Monkberry Moon Delight' ever been sampled in a hip-hop track? 'Cause it damn well should be.

G00blar, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

this record is great, my favorite Macca solo work

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

Absolutely.

G00blar, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

Surely a great album, although he has done several better ones after he broke up Wings again.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

Lately I've been wanting to add Big Barn Bed (from Red Rose Speedway) to Ram...it's got the weird catchy pot-smoking Ram vibe so much. I wonder if it was recorded at the same time?

dlp9001, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, it was. I thought I remembered a snippet of it on Ram.

dlp9001, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

i really like "ram".

the next grozart, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

the album with the bonus song "oh woman oh why" is the one to get, simply cos that song's a really funky stones-y dirge.

the next grozart, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:12 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

Perhaps some will find this interesting, perhaps not...

...but I'm rerecording "Ram" all by myself, track by track. Have a listen!

The Ram Project

Davey D, Monday, 5 April 2010 18:53 (sixteen years ago)

Can't listen right now, but nice idea. I haven't ever heard Ram, i should probably track down the original before checking out your version anyway. Oh, and i've read that book, Tim, it's really good.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 5 April 2010 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

I've always said I'd like it played as my funeral song

What! Awesome!

I think my Band on the Run ploy worked. I got all excited a moment ago just looking at the tracklist

TheNuNuNu, Wednesday, 18 June 2025 18:33 (eleven months ago)

my plan has always been to follow Paul into the '80s and '90s as the years pass and i grow to be the same age he was when he made those albums. i don't want to feel the pressure of listening to all of his material from that era and deciding if i like it right now. there's no rush

budo jeru, Wednesday, 18 June 2025 18:51 (eleven months ago)

Xp Yes. And as the slouching defeat of the pipes and drums outro brings people to horrible tears, I will sit bolt upright in my coffin during the surprise fake-out, wink at the congregation, shriek an ungodly shriek, then lay back down forever

DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 19 June 2025 01:23 (eleven months ago)

In all seriousness, Let Em In was playing during the assessment for my blood donation today and that was a difficult-to-concentrate-on moment

DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 19 June 2025 01:24 (eleven months ago)

late to this party but will add that Paul seems a big let me roll it fan himself, his 9th most performed song according to setlist fm (and he did indeed play it when i saw him)

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 10:46 (eleven months ago)

Another thing about Ram that I really love is that it feels like its own world. I don't know if I have those same feelings about any other Paul project other than Pepper.

― Blood On The Knobs, Wednesday, 18 June 2025 15:07 (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have the big deluxe "Ram" box, and it's non-disc extras like notebooks, sketches, flick-books and whatever else, are totally charming and lovely. As you say, it's its own world.

Mark G, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 13:47 (eleven months ago)

Yeah for sure

DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 13:54 (eleven months ago)


"Hope of Deliverance" is a gold-plated classic to me.

That is quite a
In all seriousness, Let Em In was playing during the assessment for my blood donation today and that was a difficult-to-concentrate-on moment

Let Em In … to your vein?

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 30 June 2025 15:24 (eleven months ago)

two months pass...

currently obsessed with the instrumental outtake (?) "sunshine sometime", what a warm peaceful blanket of a tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHii_TnJzB8

brimstead, Saturday, 20 September 2025 17:15 (eight months ago)

wow that's a delight

thinking of paul stoned at home grooving to this

kind of proto-mac demarco

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 23 September 2025 08:57 (eight months ago)

very very very nice

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 09:42 (eight months ago)

Funny that Let Me Roll It has significantly more plays on Spotify than Mrs Vandebilt, which I assume is the more famous song

Mrs Vandebilt is a famous song? where and how?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 14:03 (eight months ago)

^this

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 15:18 (eight months ago)

I didn't say it was a famous song?

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 16:09 (eight months ago)

One thing "Let Me Roll It" has going for it is that it was in dialogue with Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?"

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 16:14 (eight months ago)

Also he's doing a Lennon impersonation and it's a far better song than Mrs Vandebilt.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 16:19 (eight months ago)

"Mrs Vandebilt" is a model of production and playing. The bass tracka lone.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 16:23 (eight months ago)

I didn't realize it was spelled without an "r" until today.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 16:38 (eight months ago)

Oh!

Ey-oh!

dentist looking too comfortable singing the blues (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 17:02 (eight months ago)

I love Mrs Vandebilt for a lot of reasons, not least of which is the switcheroo from “what’s the use of worrying” (reassuring!) to “what’s the use of A-NY-THIIIIING” (dark and hilarious!)

dentist looking too comfortable singing the blues (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 23 September 2025 17:04 (eight months ago)

The Oh! Eh-oh! bit alone feels semi-iconic

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Thursday, 25 September 2025 09:51 (eight months ago)

Hate it. Reminds me of one of the Bee Gees' worst 60s singles, "I-O-I-O".

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 September 2025 10:05 (eight months ago)

... or whatever it was called.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 September 2025 10:06 (eight months ago)

fwiw as someone with v lite knowledge of macca solo I have heard of "Let Me Roll It" but not "Mrs Vanderbilt".

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 25 September 2025 10:21 (eight months ago)

four months pass...

I've been on a massive Paul + Beatles + Family kick for a month or two now. Falling deeper in love with many old favorites -- the White Album, Let It Be (Naked), Abbey Road, McCartney, Approximately Infinite Universe [I thought I couldn't love these albums more, yet I was soooo wrong]... but Ram is still my single favorite thing that a Beatle has been involved in. That beautiful, rainy, homespun vibe, my god...! The sadness and sweetness and defiance!

TheNuNuNu, Saturday, 31 January 2026 09:32 (four months ago)

hell yeah! love that.

Hiphoptimus Rhyme (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 31 January 2026 12:29 (four months ago)

one month passes...

Paul doesn't seem to hold anything back in the new two-part Vanity Fair interview - just more relaxed, less guarded and much more blunt.

birdistheword, Sunday, 1 March 2026 08:23 (three months ago)

Forgot, they make it clear this interview was done in 2015, for the Jann Wenner bio, but only a small portion was used for it.

birdistheword, Sunday, 1 March 2026 08:44 (three months ago)

I thought Man On the Run would be a bit of a snooze but it’s superb. Very artist-approved but candid in places and fascinating in its assemblage of stuff I’ve never seen. Nary a talking head in sight.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 1 March 2026 10:20 (three months ago)

I did not realize that "Coming Up" inspired John to return to the studio to make Double Fantasy.

Also good to hear Sean Ono Lennon's defense of Paul's infamous "yeah, it's a drag innit...cheers" reaction to John's murder.

henry s, Sunday, 1 March 2026 14:09 (three months ago)

It was pretty good, mostly because it allowed dissenting voices (Henry McCullough, Denny Seiwell) but also granted Linda her importance.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 March 2026 15:45 (three months ago)

Yeah good fun. And it spent a good long while on Ram, which was nice. Man I love Ram

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2026 00:53 (three months ago)

I really love the first McCartney record, it's so offhand and low stakes in a charming way, feels like an ex-Beatle version of a four-track cassette album

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 March 2026 22:30 (three months ago)

No mention of "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" in the doc, which would've been a good counterexample to the idea that Paul's music was never politcal

Josefa, Monday, 2 March 2026 22:47 (three months ago)

#1 in Spain!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 March 2026 23:44 (three months ago)

'Man On the Run' left me a little melancholy. I never thought about him being only 27 when the Beatles split. wanting to get that feeling again of a band starting out and growing together along with thoughts of needing to 'grow up' was strange place to see someone so experienced and accomplished. Shows how important those early years with John were. Yeah, very lucky he had someone like Linda.

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 4 March 2026 15:40 (three months ago)

Every time I learn a little about Linda the more I like her -- apparently she and Yoko got on swimmingly.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 March 2026 15:41 (three months ago)

yes, she felt more like the star of the documentary than paul. and the idea of she and yoko getting on well makes me very happy indeed

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 March 2026 17:39 (three months ago)

What Rob Sheffield wrote about Bowie and Iman in his book applied to Paul and Linda: by the time he met her he'd had every kind of deviant sex, so when he married her it was the comfort of knowing this was IT.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 March 2026 17:44 (three months ago)

Is it much different to WingSpan? I liked that.

piscesx, Wednesday, 4 March 2026 17:45 (three months ago)

three weeks pass...

My fave solo McCartney along with "Chaos...". Just solid throughout. I like playing it after "Smiley Smile".
I knew Hugh McCracken through an old studio job I had and often chatted with him but had *absolutely no idea* he had played on this when we spoke. Boy, I would've annoyed him with questions.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 30 March 2026 13:27 (two months ago)

Smiley Smile comparison makes a lot of sense

Jonk Raven (dog latin), Monday, 30 March 2026 13:36 (two months ago)

three weeks pass...

Well well well well weeeeeellllllll

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 April 2026 13:50 (one month ago)

Listening to a boot of RAM backing tracks and ... wow... this was his big Beach Boys homage, wasn't it? The vocal harmonies on just about every track are truly Wilsonian.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 24 April 2026 20:09 (one month ago)

surprised to learn this already had the AMG 5 stars in 2004, i'd assumed that grade came later.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 24 April 2026 23:10 (one month ago)

he made a better smile than brian wilson did

ufo, Friday, 24 April 2026 23:21 (one month ago)

xp Yes. The 1997 edition (available on archive.org) gave it three-stars with a capsule review by William Ruhlmann.

FWIW, AMG generally raised a lot of grades online (at least for mainstream releases) after they were taken over by another company. Michael Erlewine posted a review on the Rolling Stones' Blue & Lonesome on Amazon back in 2016, and he wrote about AMG and what happened to it in the comments discussion of that review after another user asked him about it. Amazon has since deleted comments on all of their reviews, but luckily this was shared before that happened, so here it is:

I created AMG, but no longer own or run it. When I left AMG, we had 150 full-time employees and over 500 freelance writers. I believe it is much less today, very few working on it. The good news is that I saw that the reviewing, discography, biography, etc. of all the main music up until the late 1990s was done thoroughly and by experts in the field. That work will stand. However, the first thing the buyers of AMG did was to inform me to neutralize ALL negative reviews, since it might impact the record companies. I did not like that, was soon sidelined, and pushed out. However, as mentioned, all that good work of the music we all love is still there. I doubt the present is being covered well, with so few employees, etc. That is life.

His observation about the older reviews no longer holds because many of them have since been replaced, possibly as part of that new policy to "neutralize" negative reviews.

birdistheword, Friday, 24 April 2026 23:27 (one month ago)

yeah BAck Seat of My Car is really Wilson-y

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 24 April 2026 23:59 (one month ago)

Where can I hear these Ram offcuts etc?

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Saturday, 25 April 2026 01:02 (one month ago)

Look up ioRR and CaptainAcid ;)

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 25 April 2026 05:14 (one month ago)


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