Did you really feel "welcomed" to the jungle by axl rose, or do you think that was sort of just insincere, halfhearted graciousness?

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I mean, come on!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Sunday, 27 July 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I was kinda psyched about the fun and games.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 27 July 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought that it was his jungle and he wasn't really addressing me personally. It was the kind of welcome you get from TV, eg, "Welcome to tonight's coverage of the winter olympics...". It was not dissimilar to the welcome that Chuck D gave to the terrordome. They were saying, in effect, 'Our vision is all around you, like it or lump it'. Which is, frankly, a less than thoroughly courteous welcome in my books.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Sunday, 27 July 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

not really. my mother, on the other hand, felt a little too welcomed. one day in disgust she blurted out "the way he moves is so SEXUAL!" as if she hadn't (at least) once rocked the cradle of love with my dad.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 27 July 2003 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean you didn't wanna feel axl's serpentine?

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 27 July 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I always felt that Axl Rose was being totally sincere. He wants me to experience HIS West Hollywood, what with the whores and the porno and the liquor and herion and all. It's like being invited to a really rowdy party that will probably kill you, but what the fuck ever. I appreciate it all the same.

Maybe I need more friends.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 27 July 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There is nothing I can add that hasn't already been said, but I thank god this question is being asked.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 July 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is a gift

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 27 July 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't feel genuinely welcome there at all, and frankly I don't think Axl Rose did because the next minute he was asking me to take him down to the paradise city. Ever felt had?

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, after the incident with the spaghetti...I mean, I was polite, we all were. But I felt that it was a little forced. Like he'd been looking out the window and saw us milling around and didn't want to lose face.

But, on the other hand, did any of you welcome HIM? It's not always black and white, you know?

― TheDonnasTurn21, Sunday, 27 July 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i didnt read it as a pleasant welcome though. i thought the whole deal was more of a "hahaha welcome to my world fool, will you even survive?"

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 July 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely Gareth, you can't be saying that the welcome was ironic?

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

dont forget, they are the american smiths

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 July 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

right.

i did feel welcomed to the jungle, but it was all about a particular place and time that has little meaning anymore

― disco stu (disco stu), Sunday, 27 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still unsure as to whether or not his welcoming was all that substantial, either sincerely or filled with malevolence, but I'm almost positive that his statement of wanting to see me bleed was heartfelt and honest.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 27 July 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Undecided as to whether Axl's welcome was being extended from a position within the jungle, or whether what he actually meant was "YOU'RE welcome to the jungle, I myself have recently moved to the suburbs"

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the usage of the word "we" means he's still there.

But maybe the jungle IS NOT A PLACE BUT IN FACT A METAPHOR!!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I had the money, but despite all his promises I never did get the disease.

What a gyp.

http://www.secret-passage.com/secret/serpentine.html

― Palomino (Palomino), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

A metaphor?! For a zoo, maybe?

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

His "serpentine" might in fact be the snake exhibit.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

YES, THIS THREAD REALLY *IS* A GIFT ; )

― kate mcfarland, Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The first question she asked was if we knew what the jungle was. There was a bit of discussion, someone suggested that the jungle represented society, and most people agreed with this. Then someone else suggested that maybe it was drugs, and the class was more or less split between society and drugs.

BAHAHA

http://www.niggazwithhats.com/xtras/thebuttislikesociety.jpg"You see, the butt is like society! Which we wanna see as openness and expansion, y'unnerstand, but the White Man wants to CLOG it up til it's closed, and we tryin' to get a FOOT all up in that muh'fucka, youknow'uhmean?"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Well i did feel "welcomed", in a manner of speaking, to this thread.

As per the Ax'N'Roses song, I certainly felt entertained by it;
as regards the "jungle", never really cared to think 'bout that.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 27 July 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the usage of the word "we" means he's still there.
But maybe the jungle IS NOT A PLACE BUT IN FACT A METAPHOR!!

-- Nate Patrin (natepatrin550...), July 27th, 2003.

Oh Jesus, that just blows my mind. I need to sit down.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What kind of weirdo types while standing?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 28 July 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes I do, like if I'm smoking or something and trying to type on AIM. You got beef with that?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Not at all. Just wanted to know which type of weirdo. Now I know.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 28 July 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

So when I move into UConn freshman year, the nationally-famous North "Jungle" dorms are playing "Welcome to the Jungle" non stop from Thursday-Saturday. While I was expecting all the "fun and games" I realized shortly thereafter that it was simply another shitty dorm in which the party mentality was quickly shot down by anal-retentive residential assistants and their equally uptight superiors.

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Monday, 28 July 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Is everyone realizing how brilliant Neil Willet's post is??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 July 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

that's why it's always best to wall them in with stacked beer bottles, or, if you local climate allows, snow. somebody on my floor found a coupla janitor-sized 5 gallon buckets, and went to town with 'em.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

While I never felt the invitation was totally sincere, once I felt the November rain I was kind of glad I didn't go.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 July 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i noticed, neils post wins i think

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean, he invited all of you guys too? I thought he was sincere - now I find that it was just some open invitation to any old moron who happened to be listening. (No offense...)

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 28 July 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

To those who were not invited. You didn't miss much.
The beer was almost flat, the hor d'ourves were crap, and they had this really awful G'N'R cover band as the entertainment.
And we had to pay a cover fee just to afford that wretched band.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

careful -- that g n' f'n r cover band has been known to start riots. You should feel fortunate that they even decided to show up.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I still wanted to set the lead singers dreads on fire.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

now, now--working dreadlocks into your extensions and hair-replacement treatment is not the cheapest thing in the world, you know. why, the guy probably had to work overtime at his dayjob at the golf course just to pay for the coloring.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's called a "Wig" and costs $6.95+tax

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(all this looks more and evermore like mere "human menagerie", not "jungle")

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

well, had he known that, Custos, he wouldn't have spent the money, now, would he?

yes, he probably would have.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean you didn't wanna feel axl's serpentine?

Was it a rhetorical question? How does one feel an adjective?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

When he says "We got everything you want", what I want to know is just HOW he knows what I want? I mean that's remarkably prescient don't you think. I mean just how exactly did Axl work out what I want when I head out into his metaphorical ‘Jungle’ of urbanity.

― Alex K (Alex K), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you feel welcomed in a jungle where you're later warned that YER GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE?

― Adam (Throwing Things), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I mean, we're all going to die. It's just a polite reminder of our mortality.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to read McSweeneys.net, too.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you feel welcomed in a jungle where you're later warned that YER GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE?
Like going into the haunted house. You know in advance that you're not reeaallly going to die. Its all in fun.
Underneath all that fake angst, Axl is a vaudeville comedian.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I kind of do wanna know if Chachi loved Joanie back.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to read McSweeneys.net, too.

I didn't think it was very Jon Williamsesque, but hey, never mind - he took the baby and ran with it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

On 2nd thoughts maybe the welcome isn’t addressed to us at all, but rather to future bandmates. “The jungle” = Guns n Roses itself, and the song = Axl’s 1st draft of the G’n’R induction programme for new members of staff.

Perhaps restructuring initiatives were already being envisioned by Axl, who also foresaw that workplace familiarisation procedures, not to mention a robust and transparent professional development structure, would be required for motherfuckers newly recruited to the ring. Details of the pros ("fun and games") are qualified by an honest assessment of the cons ("it gets worse here every day").

Presumably by now the induction programme has been expanded to include line management flowcharts (probably quite straightforward ones) and bullet-pointed aims and objectives designed to facilitate appraisal at the six-month and two-year marks, not to mention the criteria according to which one’s ass might become fired.

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I kind of do wanna know if Chachi loved Joanie back.
Like a ferret in heat.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

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midichlorian necklace

― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

boom

so to speak

― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

look I was fine with the whole conversation until you brought in Alec Guinness

which says an awful lot about me, none of which I'm proud of

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:48 (thirteen years ago)

oh my distorted smile

― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Friday, 26 October 2012 23:48 (thirteen years ago)

it's a sociopsychotic state of bliss

― With extreme tenderness - flexible - always guided by the words (get bent), Friday, 26 October 2012 23:55 (thirteen years ago)

what are you guys talking about

― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 27 October 2012 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

hahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHQwtiBbc0

― With extreme tenderness - flexible - always guided by the words (get bent), Saturday, 27 October 2012 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

guess what i'm doing now

― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Saturday, 27 October 2012 01:04 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.musicradar.com/rhythm/brain-mantia-talks-guns-n-roses-chicken-coops-helicopters-and-chinese-democracy-556166/6

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:37 (thirteen years ago)

"We set up all the drums and I said, ‘This is the Guns N Roses album, we need a vibe’ and there was a temple upstairs that people used to do their speeches in. We went up there and it was a mini auditorium. As soon as I put drums up there and hit them I said, ‘Oh s***, this is the vibe’. They ran cords up there and eventually (then Guns guitarist) Bucket(head) set his chicken coop up there and that’s where he recorded. Bucket and I would look at each other and he’d been in the chicken coop with the wire and he brought in hay. We were up there for three years recording."

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:39 (thirteen years ago)

holy shit @ that twirling drums thing

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:42 (thirteen years ago)

We did the first show at Rock in Rio. We rehearsed for probably two or three months without Axl. Our first show’s Rock in Rio and I thought, ‘Wait, what’s it going to sound like with Axl? Where is Axl? Oh here’s his helicopter coming in.’

― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:43 (thirteen years ago)

Axl's whole 'play this note for note exactly how it sounds on the recording' is v weird - iirc in that ClassicRockMagazine piece there's like 3 or 4 times where he did that?

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:44 (thirteen years ago)

it's pretty telling that Axl was obsessed with replacing all the parts from past bandmembers except the Buckethead stuff which he couldn't bear to abandon.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 28 October 2012 00:23 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7Z20fJH6I

― Liechtenstein's very first biracial citizen (get bent), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)

that is incredible, thank you for sharing that

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)

beautifully looped.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

GIMME SOME REGGAE!

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 04:51 (thirteen years ago)

Seen worse versions of "Pressure Drop."

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 04:52 (thirteen years ago)

haha you're aware of the "Pressure Drop" cover on Izzy's first solo album right?

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 04:53 (thirteen years ago)

Ha, I have that album and totally forgot!

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 04:58 (thirteen years ago)

Fascinatingly, this appears to be an adaptation of a real event, when Axl demanded reggae in the midst of "Knocking On Heaven's Door" at the Freddy Mercury Tribute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2mzMlHmxYo

I like the looped, loopy version better.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:20 (thirteen years ago)

oh yeah Axl said that regularly in "Knockin'" performances on the UYI tour, it's a well known thing. when the track was a radio hit MTV played the Freddie Mercury performance a lot as a standalone video.

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:45 (thirteen years ago)

So is that looped clip excerpted from a real show? No, right? It's a funny hybrid? Because that doesn't sound like any version of GNR doing the music. Sounds like Axl's demand, then synched to a goofy dance and different music. Though it would be hilarious if that was a straight-up legit clip.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 14:43 (thirteen years ago)

yeah it's a straight loop of the actual audio from about 5 minutes into this performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0GGjlyHfg

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:01 (thirteen years ago)

that's really the brilliance of it, that they chopped up GNR's goofy cod reggae in a way that actually sounds dope. i listened to it several times last night and this morning.

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:04 (thirteen years ago)

Oh, we had it looping the kitchen. My five year old was walking around screeching "gimme some reggae!"

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:06 (thirteen years ago)

Except it sounded like "gimme Enrique!"

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:06 (thirteen years ago)

looooooooool awesome

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:07 (thirteen years ago)

Did you really feel axl rose wanted to be "given" some reggae, or do you think that was sort of just insincere, halfhearted request?

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:51 (thirteen years ago)

two minutes feels like a tease

― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:02 (thirteen years ago)

yeah it'd be nice if it was 10 minutes or an hour or something but it's probably for the best that i have to actually think about how long i want to get stuck in a GNR reggae timewarp every couple minutes

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:03 (thirteen years ago)

My wife heard me playing this last night and called out from the other room, "Is he yelling "Give me some Ray J?""

I have to admit that ruined it a little for me.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:05 (thirteen years ago)

otoh GIMME SOME REGGAE!

― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:07 (thirteen years ago)

lol for the love of reggae

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:08 (thirteen years ago)

"Give Me Some Reggae (Dancehall Remix)" featuring Ray J and Enrique Iglesias

― some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:08 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwhYmdzGANo

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:53 (thirteen years ago)

roots n' culture imo ^

― Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:53 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRfB6qTsWI8

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:55 (thirteen years ago)

Wow, this is like a Sid-era Sex Pistols trainwreck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BFEz-7jd1Y

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:47 (thirteen years ago)

Slash is operating at like 10% capacity less than everyone else.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

And everyone else seems down by 30%.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

I was at their first show after that riot. </coolstorybro>

― pplains, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

"I was the one who started the riot" is like a small subset of this generation's "I was at Woodstock." I know no less than two people who profess to have been directly involved.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:59 (thirteen years ago)

the St. Louis riot got us the sick proshot bootlegs of the Chicago and Indiana shows via an overturned TV truck

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 20 December 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

damn, I didn't even know that DJ Ashba and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal left. what is happening to this band?

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/axl-rose-and-slash-are-friends-again/

― how's life, Saturday, 22 August 2015 20:02 (ten years ago)

posting this for people who don't care to read the other article.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/axl-rose-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/

― how's life, Saturday, 22 August 2015 20:07 (ten years ago)

Daren Ashba owns two corporations, Ashba Media, Inc. which handles the art side of things and Ashbaland, Inc. which handles the music side of things.

― brimstead, Sunday, 23 August 2015 00:01 (ten years ago)

i'm kind of jealous of DJ Ashba, tbh

― brimstead, Sunday, 23 August 2015 00:02 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

gimme some reggae

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:39 (ten years ago)

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