Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism

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Thread for general discussion of, and feeble resistance to, our new overpaid 20-something savant overlords, starting with this lovely article:

http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:27 (four years ago) Permalink

is the baffler as smug and unreadable as it was in the late 90s/early 00s? to be frank all i ever got from them (or thomas frank solo) was a withering contempt for most of america, rather than any mournful concern.

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:41 (four years ago) Permalink

haha to be frank see what I (unintentionally) did there?

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:41 (four years ago) Permalink

nerds with power

shudder

j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:42 (four years ago) Permalink

This is the first Baffler thing I've bothered with in a while. I thought it had its moments back in its earlier incarnation -- there was an essay on cities and the "creative class" that I still refer to mentally sometimes. I think the internet has kind of made the sort of bullshit-skewering it specialized in more widespread and diffuse.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:46 (four years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, they had some good articles from time to time. there was one incredibly condescending and snide and yet fascinating one about gay pornography. unfortinately they also published ray carney's screed against tarantino and a lot of other worthless crap. and i always felt tom frank needed to have a few beer bottles smashed over his head.

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:48 (four years ago) Permalink

Frank seems kind of worse to me now in his Harper's editorials. I always hated Lapham's and it feels like Frank is really trying his best to assume the mantle.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Anyway

In a widely covered secessionist speech at a Silicon Valley “startup school” last year, there was more than a hint of Moldbug (see video below). The speech, by former Stanford professor and Andreessen Horowitz partner Balaji Srinivasan, never mentioned Moldbug or the Dark Enlightenment, but it was suffused with neoreactionary rhetoric and ideas. Srinivasan used the phrase “the paper belt” to describe his enemies, namely the government, the publishing industries, and universities. The formulation mirrored Moldbug’s “Cathedral.” Srinivasan’s central theme was the notion of “exit”—as in, exit from democratic society, and entry into any number of corporate mini-states whose arrival will leave the world looking like a patchwork map of feudal Europe.

Forget universal rights; this is the true “opt-in society.”

An excerpt:

We want to show what a society run by Silicon Valley would look like. That’s where “exit” comes in . . . . It basically means: build an opt-in society, ultimately outside the US, run by technology. And this is actually where the Valley is going. This is where we’re going over the next ten years . . . [Google co-founder] Larry Page, for example, wants to set aside a part of the world for unregulated experimentation. That’s carefully phrased. He’s not saying, “take away the laws in the U.S.” If you like your country, you can keep it. Same with Marc Andreessen: “The world is going to see an explosion of countries in the years ahead—doubled, tripled, quadrupled countries.”

Srinivasan ticked through the signposts of the neoreactionary fantasyland: Bitcoin as the future of finance, corporate city-states as the future of government, Detroit as a loaded symbol of government failure and 3D-printed firearms as an example of emerging technology that defies regulation.

The speech succeeded in promoting the anti-democratic authoritarianism at the core of neoreactionary thought, while glossing over the attendant bigotry. This has long been a goal of some in the movement. One such moderate—if the word can be used in this context—is Patri Friedman, grandson of the late libertarian demigod Milton Friedman. The younger Friedman expressed the need for “a more politically correct dark enlightenment” after a public falling out with Yarvin in 2009.

Friedman has lately been devoting his time (and leveraging his family name) to raise money for the SeaSteading Institute, which, as the name suggests, is a blue-sea libertarian dream to build floating fiefdoms free of outside regulation and law. Sound familiar?

The principal backer of the SeaSteading project, Peter Thiel, is also an investor in companies run by Balaji Srinivasan and Curtis Yarvin. Thiel is a co-founder of PayPal, an original investor in Facebook and hedge fund manager, as well as being the inspiration for a villainous investor on the satirical HBO series Silicon Valley. Thiel’s extreme libertarian advocacy is long and storied, beginning with his days founding the Collegiate Network-backed Stanford Review. Lately he’s been noticed writing big checks for Ted Cruz.

He’s invested in Yarvin’s current startup, Tlon. Thiel invested personally in Tlon co-founder John Burnham. In 2011, at age 18, Burnham accepted $100,000 from Thiel to skip college and go directly into business. Instead of mining asteroids as he originally intended, Burnham wound up working on obscure networking software with Yarvin, whose title at Tlon is, appropriately enough, “benevolent dictator for life.”

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:57 (four years ago) Permalink

I love this stuff, these guys are like comic book supervillains.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:58 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i dunno, this seems discountable. it's not going to get much traction.

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:33 (four years ago) Permalink

i still think we shd take these guys out before they acquire sentience

coign of wantage (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:35 (four years ago) Permalink

another school of thought says that they just need to experience a moment of humanity to temper their wild anti-humanist delusions

we could administer this cure from a safe distance thanks to their work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspagsTFvlg

j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Been dismayed with The Baffler since it's new revival. Seems about as shrill as Adbusters these days.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:44 (four years ago) Permalink

OTOH, there's these guys to make fun of: http://nymag.com/news/features/laundry-apps-2014-5/#

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:46 (four years ago) Permalink

i still think we shd take these guys out before they acquire sentience

― coign of wantage (Noodle Vague), Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:35 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

100%

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:10 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i dunno, this seems discountable. it's not going to get much traction.

― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:33 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd be more willing to discount it if these weren't people with money, political fever dreams, and the ability to build & destory things

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm not exactly alarmed yet but I am a little o_O

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:12 (four years ago) Permalink

these people aren't good at building things that people actually need to survive so I dunno - the rhetoric is horrible and these people are frightening, at the same time they're woefully inept

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:14 (four years ago) Permalink

fantastic article, thank you for sharing

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:15 (four years ago) Permalink

A seafaring community of 10 plutocrats is probably going to do just fine. They can just take a private jet back to the US any time they need fresh virgins to feed on. They don't want the rest of us anyway.

popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Shouldn't that be Tlön, and holy shit we do not need techno-libertarians referencing Borges

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:20 (four years ago) Permalink

I thought the setting up a new country idea sounded really good, hopefully it would end like jonestown

badg, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I am all in favor of techno-libertarian island

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:22 (four years ago) Permalink

me too. preferably one that will be underwater in a few decades.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:25 (four years ago) Permalink

tru

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:25 (four years ago) Permalink

im less worried about these creeps building their own bioshock dystopias than i am about them using their tremendous money and influence to undermine regulation and other democratic things (tm) at home

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah that is a more serious danger

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I wonder if we can convince them to relocate to Canada

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I think their politics might go over well in, like, Edmonton

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:29 (four years ago) Permalink

It should be fun to watch what happens when the VC money starts to dry up.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

they all scramble for the surviving corporate monoliths

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:44 (four years ago) Permalink

This Baffler article mentions Nick Land. That's kind of depressing, is he fully in that camp? I've only read some of his stuff but have liked work from his contemporaries.

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

isn't his own camp bad enough???

j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:54 (four years ago) Permalink

maybe! I'm out of the loop

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:56 (four years ago) Permalink

yes, nick land is fully in

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:19 (four years ago) Permalink

this is all a lil weird to me cos reading these dudes has been a minor internet fascination of mine for a long time

if anything, land's story is evidence against the thesis that an encounter with adulthood will chill these guys out: he was a philosophy professor in the 80s (?) and 90s, left for china at some point to be a journalist, was a pro-war neocon type in the early 00s and at some point during/after the 08 crash flipped to austrian economics, "race realism" (if you don't mind me using their euphemisms for a sec) and all the rest.

i feel super weird that even know this shit tbh

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:22 (four years ago) Permalink

the connection with silicon valley utopian-supremacy is only one leg of the thing, there are linkages to a lot of weird old righty type scenes that have been left behind by contemporary conservatism, which have been kept alive in its most public face by association with ron paul. but also the remnants of european throne-and-altar type stuff

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

this isn't what I think of when I think of 'techno-utopianism' these dudes are just idiots

dude (Lamp), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:26 (four years ago) Permalink

really the most salient through-line is hostility to democracy.

xp yeah this thread title is a little narrow & off from the corey pein article

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

feel like the broader 'apps with solve it'/obsessed with meritocracy and measurement/transnational professionalism stuff that permeates the valley and its politics is way more pernicious and worth countering than these dudes who cant help but marginalize themselves by being themselves

dude (Lamp), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I feel like these guys make better bad guys than the republican party, at least their politics are internally consistent

iatee, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:30 (four years ago) Permalink

idk i think their predilection for lingo and willingness to set up their own discursive zones is an important idea generator.

there's huge overlap with the PUA/men's rights scene, and *their* language and pop-psych antifeminism is reeeally short work way from being conservative canon

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Definitely seems like there is at the root of a lot of it a bitterness stemming from a dissonance between the "meritocracy" these people have been sold on (in which their particular skillset is supposed to make them the fittest dudes) and the reality they grew up in, and the *other* reality they grew up in (having to attend high school and go on the dating scene and such) in which their supposed superior qualities didn't seem to help so much. I know this might sound like just a rehash of the "butthurt nerd" canard, but I think there's something about the combination of ego inflation AND deflation that they experience -- one world telling them they are geniuses and another telling them they are losers at the same time, that makes them want to remake the entire world in the image of the former.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Like you don't get this kind of worldview coming out of getting sand kicked in your face alone, it's more the rage that results from feeling entitled to alpha status and then getting sand kicked in your face.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink

yup

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

And to cross reference that with the "men's rights" stuff, it's not unlike "I'm a *nice* and *intelligent* guy and yet hot babes are not throwing themselves at my feet like they are supposed to. Therefore women are defective and dangerous and I must use 'techniques' to disarm and conquer them."

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:58 (four years ago) Permalink

is there an app for that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm really skeptical of 'just a thwarted nerd' type explanations. some people just end up believing this kind of shit for reasons that aren't readily explicable. in many cases it doesn't appear to be true.

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah 'chicks just didn't want him and he's not successful' doesn't explain peter thiel very well

iatee, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:32 (four years ago) Permalink

will plain ole megalomania do.

ryan, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:37 (four years ago) Permalink

I haven't been on University Avenue in like 15 years but it wasn't that bad then?
though reading about the restos in Palo Alto that have closed since I live there, dang, it's no utopia anymore


Oren’s Hummus tho

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 20 October 2018 20:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

NOLA is STILL open amazingly...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 20 October 2018 21:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I was thinking of Szechwan Café on California, where you’d tell the guy a few flavors or textures you like, and he’d “harmonize” them and select dishes for you. And Mandarin Gourmet. I know the Thai Café on campus has closed, and the Treehouse too I think. I guess the Palo Alto Creamery is still around.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 20 October 2018 23:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

what could possibly go wrong

https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/A-Cryptocurrency-Millionaire-Wants-to-Build-a-13355675.php

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 21:32 (one week ago) Permalink

“This will either be the biggest thing ever, or the most spectacular crash and burn in the history of mankind,” Berns said. “I don’t know which one. I believe it’s the former but either way it’s going to be one hell of a ride.”

mookieproof, Friday, 2 November 2018 21:55 (one week ago) Permalink

the Blockwan has found a home

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 2 November 2018 22:00 (one week ago) Permalink

buying land in the nevada desert, where summertime temperatures will soon regularly hit 120 degrees, is definitely the kind of smart long-term thinking that bodes well for the success of this project

la bébé du nom-nom (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 November 2018 22:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Boring Burning Man!

DJI, Friday, 2 November 2018 22:11 (one week ago) Permalink

You laugh now but wait til this guy makes everyone laugh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 2 November 2018 23:59 (one week ago) Permalink

worried about climate change? have no fear, y combinator are gonna fix it by uh flooding the deserts or some shit

Imagine flooding a desert half the size of the Sahara. Using 238 trillion gallons of desalinated ocean water to do the job. Creating millions of 1-acre-square micro-reservoirs to grow enough algae to gobble up all of Earth’s climate-changing carbon dioxide. For an encore: How about spreading the water and fertilizer (the dead algae) to grow a vast new forest of oxygen-producing trees?

A Silicon Valley venture capital firm, Y Combinator, unveiled the radical desert flooding plan as one of four “moonshot” scenarios that it hopes innovators will explore as potential remedies to catastrophic global warming.

But would it work? And should it even be tried?

With unlimited capital and political will — both far from given — experts said the scheme would stand a chance of reducing dangerous greenhouse gas levels. But while they generally believe the climate crisis has become severe enough to push even extreme options onto the table, the experts cautioned against interventions that might create as many problems as they solve.

We do not want to have this be purely profit driven,” said Greg Rau, a University of California, Santa Cruz climate scientist and part of the team that helped Y Combinator craft the request for proposals. “We are trying to benefit the planet, not just make money. So we need this kind of research and development first, but then oversight and governance over how any of this is deployed.”

hey it's probably not gonna work but let's at least make some cash

I hope your face & dick gets ripped off by chimapzai (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:46 (three days ago) Permalink

why are the "smartest" people in the room always so fucking stupid

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 16:57 (three days ago) Permalink

this is my favourite part:

Y Combinator called filling 1.7 million acres of arid land with 2-meter-deep pools of water “the largest infrastructure project ever undertaken.” Just to pump ocean water inland and desalinate it would require an electrical grid far greater than the one Earth now devotes to all other uses.

tackling climate change by building a mammoth power grid which will draw power from uhh something something fill this part in later

I hope your face & dick gets ripped off by chimapzai (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 November 2018 17:03 (three days ago) Permalink

you can desalinate water using sunshine, no need for elec-trickery

koogs, Monday, 12 November 2018 18:04 (three days ago) Permalink

not so much the pumping, though

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:00 (two days ago) Permalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes%27_screw

koogs, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 09:51 (two days ago) Permalink

how long do we have?

koogs, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 09:52 (two days ago) Permalink

With unlimited capital and political will — both far from given — experts said the scheme would stand a chance

niels, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 12:25 (two days ago) Permalink

An internal survey found just 52% of employees were optimistic about Facebook’s future, down from 84% the year earlier. https://t.co/enkm61cndi

— Scott Galloway (@profgalloway) November 14, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:14 (yesterday) Permalink

remember when people thought Facebook was going to be around forever and was an indispensable part of modern living

they'll be a shell of a company in 10 years, a zombie like Yahoo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:22 (yesterday) Permalink

Unlike yahoo some of their acquisitions might be worth something for longer, The Facebook itself is probably already in decline

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:24 (yesterday) Permalink

this is kind of it really:

which is easier to quit?

— one-time pad (@adrjeffries) November 14, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:29 (yesterday) Permalink

I quit Facebook something like 9 or 10 years ago with one relapse after I graduated college and was lonely; it was easy

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:32 (yesterday) Permalink

Amazon…I have one more video game preorder from them coming but I'm mostly done ordering stuff from there otherwise. Obviously AWS is the dominant cloud computing provider and we're all constantly using Amazon in that respect.

Of course this only means I'm going to end up ordering home goods from like Bed Bath and Beyond or Target which probably isn't "better" on any axis

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:34 (yesterday) Permalink

I don't really get anything I need from Amazon. I pretty much only use it to purchase random books I'd like to own

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:48 (yesterday) Permalink

we do use it for birthday/gift lists for the families, so that's a helpful thing that I couldn't easily replace

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:51 (yesterday) Permalink

i wonder about like

facebook collapses, twitter becomes a ghost town

they were both so rapidly interwoven with us culture that their absence, at least from where i'm sitting right now, would feel like a gap

but i guess all i really mean is like 'they show tweets on the news' or 'facebook elected donald trump' and i suppose any next big thing could slot in there for 2028

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:00 (yesterday) Permalink

A large part of my sustenance is tied to spinning up instances to AWS. I also buy a few things every couple weeks from Whole Foods.

I use the "memories" side bar feature of FB to delete content from my account every day, which is probably the most useful and enjoyable feature of FB I've ever used.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:04 (yesterday) Permalink

TV elected Kennedy iirc

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:04 (yesterday) Permalink

twitter is still great for real-time search, sadly

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:05 (yesterday) Permalink

we can replace Twitter's role there with a website that's just "type here if something terrible is happening around you"

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:10 (yesterday) Permalink

let us never forget the short rise and fall of bloopblorp

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:48 (twenty-two hours ago) Permalink

Neither Twitter nor Facebook is going anywhere imho, they have total network effect - Facebook was the first place where everyone you knew was on it, and it will serve as a way of keeping in touch with people and arranging gigs / parties for decades to come.

And Twitter is what they show on the news, and what elected the US president.

I mean, both of these are a corollary of "the vast majority of people don't give a shit about the stuff that extremely online people give a shit about"

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 15 November 2018 01:17 (twenty-two hours ago) Permalink

remember when people thought Facebook was going to be around forever and was an indispensable part of modern living

they'll be a shell of a company in 10 years, a zombie like Yahoo

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 5:22 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people's memories are on there

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:25 (twenty-one hours ago) Permalink

Neither Twitter nor Facebook is going anywhere

AOL still exists. Out there. Somewhere.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:28 (twenty-one hours ago) Permalink

It is called Verizon

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:36 (twenty-one hours ago) Permalink

This thread is good

I spoke to @ColorOfChange’s director about Facebook’s reported use of an anti-Semetic smear campaign to undermine their activism. https://t.co/omMP9hhx9f

— Julia Carrie Wong (@juliacarriew) November 15, 2018



Especially this point

There’s something about this Soros story that feels significantly different than the usual Facebook scandal. Most recent negative Facebook stories are issues relating to challenges of scale and a tendency toward passivity.

— Julia Carrie Wong (@juliacarriew) November 15, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 November 2018 05:13 (eighteen hours ago) Permalink

most of what i hear about social media is through my co-workers

my spouse finally deactivated their facebook yesterday after spending months not interacting with anybody there and just reading. i guess that's some indication of how hard it is to let go. my boss was talking to me about an unpleasant argument with one of their relatives from the midwest on facebook. i think we have all this ideal of communication and exchange of ideas but there's this creeping realization that nobody is actually listening to each other. losing the pretexts people use to justify using facebook is an important step imo. the addiction is real but the good thing is the more people who quit the easier it becomes to quit, and i don't see facebook managing to reverse the process.

a lot of the youth seem to be gravitating toward instagram, which they think of as a superior alternative to facebook. the ignorance is depressing but i have yet to see the elder generation jumping on board.

twitter is good at getting talked about but in terms of actual usage i don't think it's gotten near the market share of facebook. it seems like everybody is on facebook, whereas twitter just has the loudest people. i do have some friends who insist there are viable uses for it, and of course folks here are tremendously fond of it, but i think it could sink more easily than facebook.

i continue to get most of my information from the feed on my android phone. mostly this is because i have spent several months telling it not to give me any information that isn't today's "nancy" and there's a sunk cost there. eventually something new will come along and it will probably turn out to be as bad as or worse than what we have now, i have no doubt. probably amazon will have something to do with it.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:46 (eight hours ago) Permalink

feel like twitter is only for the extremely online and facebook will be increasingly for the olds, like my aunt who still has an aol email address

fb will still have vast reach, but capitalism tends to frown on enterprises that can no longer grow

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 November 2018 15:59 (seven hours ago) Permalink

this is always worth a look: https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/

hard to see FB dying anytime soon when you also include Messenger, WhatsApp, and IG

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:19 (six hours ago) Permalink

if that's accurate it's amazing to think of the inflated media importance Twitter carries over say Tik Tok

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:20 (six hours ago) Permalink

i don't even know what tik tok is

marcos, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:29 (six hours ago) Permalink

yeah it's for the youth
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/5/18009260/tiktok-musically-youtube-challenge-vine

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:33 (six hours ago) Permalink

not surprisingly FB wants to devour them: https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/24/facebook-musically-competitor/

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:34 (six hours ago) Permalink

what % of Tik Tok users are in China, would be my question

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:39 (six hours ago) Permalink

good point. I should have just pointed out that Twitter has almost the same number of users as Reddit

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:06 (five hours ago) Permalink

this is the real danger for facebook imo

this sort of seems like a ... correct diagnosis, no? like a gresham's law of social networks, the less normal people trust facebook the crazier it will get? https://t.co/QCnPIuGrEb

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) November 15, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 November 2018 20:29 (three hours ago) Permalink

i haven't read the referenced article because i have twitter blocked on my computer, but i'm not sure gresham's law would apply here - facebook is far more centralized than a site like for instance twitter is, and for extremism to increase there facebook would have to be okay with making extremism their overt business model. i think its particular doom is more likely to look like aol, but hell i can't predict the future

dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:58 (forty-two minutes ago) Permalink

I don’t think there is any evidence at all that Facebook is not ok with making extremism their business model

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 November 2018 23:26 (fourteen minutes ago) Permalink


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