Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism

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Thread for general discussion of, and feeble resistance to, our new overpaid 20-something savant overlords, starting with this lovely article:

http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:27 (five years ago) link

is the baffler as smug and unreadable as it was in the late 90s/early 00s? to be frank all i ever got from them (or thomas frank solo) was a withering contempt for most of america, rather than any mournful concern.

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:41 (five years ago) link

haha to be frank see what I (unintentionally) did there?

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:41 (five years ago) link

nerds with power

shudder

j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:42 (five years ago) link

This is the first Baffler thing I've bothered with in a while. I thought it had its moments back in its earlier incarnation -- there was an essay on cities and the "creative class" that I still refer to mentally sometimes. I think the internet has kind of made the sort of bullshit-skewering it specialized in more widespread and diffuse.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:46 (five years ago) link

oh yeah, they had some good articles from time to time. there was one incredibly condescending and snide and yet fascinating one about gay pornography. unfortinately they also published ray carney's screed against tarantino and a lot of other worthless crap. and i always felt tom frank needed to have a few beer bottles smashed over his head.

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:48 (five years ago) link

Frank seems kind of worse to me now in his Harper's editorials. I always hated Lapham's and it feels like Frank is really trying his best to assume the mantle.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:53 (five years ago) link

Anyway

In a widely covered secessionist speech at a Silicon Valley “startup school” last year, there was more than a hint of Moldbug (see video below). The speech, by former Stanford professor and Andreessen Horowitz partner Balaji Srinivasan, never mentioned Moldbug or the Dark Enlightenment, but it was suffused with neoreactionary rhetoric and ideas. Srinivasan used the phrase “the paper belt” to describe his enemies, namely the government, the publishing industries, and universities. The formulation mirrored Moldbug’s “Cathedral.” Srinivasan’s central theme was the notion of “exit”—as in, exit from democratic society, and entry into any number of corporate mini-states whose arrival will leave the world looking like a patchwork map of feudal Europe.

Forget universal rights; this is the true “opt-in society.”

An excerpt:

We want to show what a society run by Silicon Valley would look like. That’s where “exit” comes in . . . . It basically means: build an opt-in society, ultimately outside the US, run by technology. And this is actually where the Valley is going. This is where we’re going over the next ten years . . . [Google co-founder] Larry Page, for example, wants to set aside a part of the world for unregulated experimentation. That’s carefully phrased. He’s not saying, “take away the laws in the U.S.” If you like your country, you can keep it. Same with Marc Andreessen: “The world is going to see an explosion of countries in the years ahead—doubled, tripled, quadrupled countries.”

Srinivasan ticked through the signposts of the neoreactionary fantasyland: Bitcoin as the future of finance, corporate city-states as the future of government, Detroit as a loaded symbol of government failure and 3D-printed firearms as an example of emerging technology that defies regulation.

The speech succeeded in promoting the anti-democratic authoritarianism at the core of neoreactionary thought, while glossing over the attendant bigotry. This has long been a goal of some in the movement. One such moderate—if the word can be used in this context—is Patri Friedman, grandson of the late libertarian demigod Milton Friedman. The younger Friedman expressed the need for “a more politically correct dark enlightenment” after a public falling out with Yarvin in 2009.

Friedman has lately been devoting his time (and leveraging his family name) to raise money for the SeaSteading Institute, which, as the name suggests, is a blue-sea libertarian dream to build floating fiefdoms free of outside regulation and law. Sound familiar?

The principal backer of the SeaSteading project, Peter Thiel, is also an investor in companies run by Balaji Srinivasan and Curtis Yarvin. Thiel is a co-founder of PayPal, an original investor in Facebook and hedge fund manager, as well as being the inspiration for a villainous investor on the satirical HBO series Silicon Valley. Thiel’s extreme libertarian advocacy is long and storied, beginning with his days founding the Collegiate Network-backed Stanford Review. Lately he’s been noticed writing big checks for Ted Cruz.

He’s invested in Yarvin’s current startup, Tlon. Thiel invested personally in Tlon co-founder John Burnham. In 2011, at age 18, Burnham accepted $100,000 from Thiel to skip college and go directly into business. Instead of mining asteroids as he originally intended, Burnham wound up working on obscure networking software with Yarvin, whose title at Tlon is, appropriately enough, “benevolent dictator for life.”

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:57 (five years ago) link

I love this stuff, these guys are like comic book supervillains.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:58 (five years ago) link

yeah i dunno, this seems discountable. it's not going to get much traction.

display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:33 (five years ago) link

i still think we shd take these guys out before they acquire sentience

coign of wantage (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:35 (five years ago) link

another school of thought says that they just need to experience a moment of humanity to temper their wild anti-humanist delusions

we could administer this cure from a safe distance thanks to their work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspagsTFvlg

j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:41 (five years ago) link

Been dismayed with The Baffler since it's new revival. Seems about as shrill as Adbusters these days.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:44 (five years ago) link

OTOH, there's these guys to make fun of: http://nymag.com/news/features/laundry-apps-2014-5/#

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:46 (five years ago) link

i still think we shd take these guys out before they acquire sentience

― coign of wantage (Noodle Vague), Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:35 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

100%

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:10 (five years ago) link

yeah i dunno, this seems discountable. it's not going to get much traction.

― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:33 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd be more willing to discount it if these weren't people with money, political fever dreams, and the ability to build & destory things

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:11 (five years ago) link

Yeah I'm not exactly alarmed yet but I am a little o_O

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:12 (five years ago) link

these people aren't good at building things that people actually need to survive so I dunno - the rhetoric is horrible and these people are frightening, at the same time they're woefully inept

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:14 (five years ago) link

fantastic article, thank you for sharing

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:15 (five years ago) link

A seafaring community of 10 plutocrats is probably going to do just fine. They can just take a private jet back to the US any time they need fresh virgins to feed on. They don't want the rest of us anyway.

popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:18 (five years ago) link

Shouldn't that be Tlön, and holy shit we do not need techno-libertarians referencing Borges

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:20 (five years ago) link

I thought the setting up a new country idea sounded really good, hopefully it would end like jonestown

badg, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:21 (five years ago) link

I am all in favor of techno-libertarian island

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

me too. preferably one that will be underwater in a few decades.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:25 (five years ago) link

tru

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:25 (five years ago) link

im less worried about these creeps building their own bioshock dystopias than i am about them using their tremendous money and influence to undermine regulation and other democratic things (tm) at home

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (five years ago) link

yeah that is a more serious danger

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (five years ago) link

I wonder if we can convince them to relocate to Canada

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (five years ago) link

I think their politics might go over well in, like, Edmonton

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:29 (five years ago) link

It should be fun to watch what happens when the VC money starts to dry up.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:43 (five years ago) link

they all scramble for the surviving corporate monoliths

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:44 (five years ago) link

This Baffler article mentions Nick Land. That's kind of depressing, is he fully in that camp? I've only read some of his stuff but have liked work from his contemporaries.

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:46 (five years ago) link

isn't his own camp bad enough???

j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:54 (five years ago) link

maybe! I'm out of the loop

a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:56 (five years ago) link

yes, nick land is fully in

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:19 (five years ago) link

this is all a lil weird to me cos reading these dudes has been a minor internet fascination of mine for a long time

if anything, land's story is evidence against the thesis that an encounter with adulthood will chill these guys out: he was a philosophy professor in the 80s (?) and 90s, left for china at some point to be a journalist, was a pro-war neocon type in the early 00s and at some point during/after the 08 crash flipped to austrian economics, "race realism" (if you don't mind me using their euphemisms for a sec) and all the rest.

i feel super weird that even know this shit tbh

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:22 (five years ago) link

the connection with silicon valley utopian-supremacy is only one leg of the thing, there are linkages to a lot of weird old righty type scenes that have been left behind by contemporary conservatism, which have been kept alive in its most public face by association with ron paul. but also the remnants of european throne-and-altar type stuff

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:25 (five years ago) link

this isn't what I think of when I think of 'techno-utopianism' these dudes are just idiots

dude (Lamp), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:26 (five years ago) link

really the most salient through-line is hostility to democracy.

xp yeah this thread title is a little narrow & off from the corey pein article

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:28 (five years ago) link

feel like the broader 'apps with solve it'/obsessed with meritocracy and measurement/transnational professionalism stuff that permeates the valley and its politics is way more pernicious and worth countering than these dudes who cant help but marginalize themselves by being themselves

dude (Lamp), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:28 (five years ago) link

I feel like these guys make better bad guys than the republican party, at least their politics are internally consistent

iatee, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:30 (five years ago) link

idk i think their predilection for lingo and willingness to set up their own discursive zones is an important idea generator.

there's huge overlap with the PUA/men's rights scene, and *their* language and pop-psych antifeminism is reeeally short work way from being conservative canon

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:32 (five years ago) link

Definitely seems like there is at the root of a lot of it a bitterness stemming from a dissonance between the "meritocracy" these people have been sold on (in which their particular skillset is supposed to make them the fittest dudes) and the reality they grew up in, and the *other* reality they grew up in (having to attend high school and go on the dating scene and such) in which their supposed superior qualities didn't seem to help so much. I know this might sound like just a rehash of the "butthurt nerd" canard, but I think there's something about the combination of ego inflation AND deflation that they experience -- one world telling them they are geniuses and another telling them they are losers at the same time, that makes them want to remake the entire world in the image of the former.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:49 (five years ago) link

Like you don't get this kind of worldview coming out of getting sand kicked in your face alone, it's more the rage that results from feeling entitled to alpha status and then getting sand kicked in your face.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:51 (five years ago) link

yup

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:54 (five years ago) link

And to cross reference that with the "men's rights" stuff, it's not unlike "I'm a *nice* and *intelligent* guy and yet hot babes are not throwing themselves at my feet like they are supposed to. Therefore women are defective and dangerous and I must use 'techniques' to disarm and conquer them."

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

is there an app for that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:07 (five years ago) link

i'm really skeptical of 'just a thwarted nerd' type explanations. some people just end up believing this kind of shit for reasons that aren't readily explicable. in many cases it doesn't appear to be true.

goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:24 (five years ago) link

yeah 'chicks just didn't want him and he's not successful' doesn't explain peter thiel very well

iatee, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:32 (five years ago) link

will plain ole megalomania do.

ryan, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:37 (five years ago) link

like if I had to do the co-working space thing, I would be spending so much time on ilx and facebook posting about all the awkward, stupid and annoying people in the co-working space rather than doing my own work

sarahell, Saturday, 25 May 2019 18:31 (one month ago) link

I’d bookmark that thread.

beard papa, Saturday, 25 May 2019 21:11 (one month ago) link

xxp no, that is the part that completely makes sense

The entire part where 90% of their marketing is about start-up weirdness and sub-TED talk stuff and whatever the hell the wework guy is on about all the time, that is the nonsense

also why do most of the pictures look like ergonomic nightmares

mh, Sunday, 26 May 2019 02:42 (one month ago) link

i think the ergonomic nightmares are definitely related to the sub-TED talk stuff

sarahell, Sunday, 26 May 2019 17:53 (one month ago) link

it's more about the idea of a comfortable chair

big gym sw0les (crüt), Sunday, 26 May 2019 18:39 (one month ago) link

maybe they also want to disrupt chairs

sarahell, Sunday, 26 May 2019 18:43 (one month ago) link

xp to goole: in that post, I said I already posted it in another thread! So there must be an earlier mention of YTMND unless I was lying, which is a very real possibility

Also, this may be the first time I was first at anything

Vinnie, Monday, 27 May 2019 04:28 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

so I was working for a blockchain startup until recently. technically I still "work" there - they haven't fired me or laid me off - but they stopped paying me and two other people at the beginning of May. the three of us were the only employees being paid; the senior staff had gone without since mid-January and a host of technical workers (and at least one lawyer!) since a little after that. they raised a fuckton of money about a year and a half ago but blew threw the vast majority in less than a year, largely on trips, big salaries (incl at least one hefty severance package), and stupid marketing stunts. since mid-October (a little after I was brought in full-time; I'd done some work for them as a contractor), we've been hearing that new sources of funding are "just being held up by red tape" etc. the three of us were told that should there end up being any difficulty in making payroll, we'd be told in advance; another lie, and they wound up getting a couple weeks' worth of free labor out of us. we're filing a claim with the ministry of labor to get that covered but idk what sort of timeline we can realistically expect anything to happen in

anyway the really wild part is that a number of coders, graphic designers, marketers, and other skilled workers have been working for free for *months*, and the way they've gotten away with this is:

1. selling employees and contractors on the potential value and utility of the technology and its potential use cases, including "social impact" applications
2. promising said employees etc. that WHEN (not if) funding inevitably comes in, they'll be offered (cash) bonuses and/or (token) equity (they made us an offer to come back to work that included both; we didn't bite as it was strictly conditional based on said ever-elusive funding coming in)
3. once senior/c-level staff had committed to forfeting a salary, they quietly started informing other employees about it, thus normalizing working for free / subconsciously making people feel like assholes if they had the temerity to insist that getting paid on time / getting paid at all was too much to ask. if you've never had the experience of being paid for a job whilst you're surrounded by people who aren't....well, it's weird, and bad, in a lot of ways that are tough to articulate.

would it surprise anyone to learn that the CEO's background is in multi-level marketing?

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 18:31 (one month ago) link

anyway I don't regret it cause I got in at the right time (I was well-paid) and got out just slightly too late and I met some excellent people. but man if you're ever gonna consider working for a startup, make sure you *really* do your homework.

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 18:34 (one month ago) link

how many employees were there total, at peak?

mh, Monday, 10 June 2019 18:42 (one month ago) link

tough to measure for a variety of boring reasons but I'd say about 15 employees and a constellation of contractors. at least one of the firms we worked closely with ended up having to lay off a number of staff because we stiffed them.

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 18:44 (one month ago) link

(15 not including execs)

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 18:45 (one month ago) link

to make that small anecdote even worse, I only found out about that other company's layoffs in the last week. at the time, we were told that *they* hadn't done their work according to spec and generally made them out to be incompetent no-nothings as opposed to people we completely fucked over

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 18:47 (one month ago) link

Upper management seems to attract and reward serial liars at a disproportionate rate.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 10 June 2019 18:50 (one month ago) link

some liars, some hopelessly naive, some just psychotic

speaking of which the chairman (who is significantly younger than me; I'm 32) once posted a viral hoax to our all-company WhatsApp channel about how there was an Assange "dead drop" that was released following his arrest alleging "white genocide: not such a myth after all!"

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 18:55 (one month ago) link

hmm I'm debating whether that is better or worse than a higher-level exec at my Fortune 500-style company referencing a Thomas Friedman book some years ago

probably worse, but to their credit I think they got rid of that guy anyway

mh, Monday, 10 June 2019 19:09 (one month ago) link

I used to work for Meg Whitman and honestly I have very few complaints about her CEO-wise, especially when compared to these stories

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2019 19:14 (one month ago) link

one last story: my former boss at this place was very high up at Le@n !n Canada and was well acquainted with $heryl S@ndberg. unfortunately she was sacked just as the scandal from a few months back was breaking out so I didn't get to inquire about how her good pal was handling all of this. (appropriately enough the sacking took place because she was giving her male bosses a little too much pushback. but as it turns out she got out at an excellent time.)

Simon H., Monday, 10 June 2019 19:30 (one month ago) link

feel free to keep going! today i heard a couple variations on 'uh-oh tableau to salesforce' from friends around both, and your stories are much more interesting

alomar lines, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 04:18 (one month ago) link

so I was working for a blockchain startup

can we back up to how this even started, was the alternative mugging grandmas

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:55 (one month ago) link

For real

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:08 (one month ago) link

the silicon valley startup whose business model was to steal bongos from grandmothers and use them to join the fall foundered when mark e. smith died, but not before raising $100 million in venture capital through ycombinator

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:36 (one month ago) link

He's optimized the space with the ingenuity of a startup founder, installing ample shelves and hooks for storage and even some foam acoustic panels to mitigate the noise from below and beyond his window.

daamn these startup founders really are more ingenious than the rest of us

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/startup-CEO-lives-works-Zeitgeist-Vivek-Kumar-13969019.php

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 15 June 2019 21:29 (one month ago) link

nice place to live if u spend half the year in pittsburgh

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 15 June 2019 21:30 (one month ago) link

so I was working for a blockchain startup

can we back up to how this even started, was the alternative mugging grandmas

a fair question lol, a few years back I had just gotten my technical writing certificate and I was looking for work in a couple different cities, and I just so happened to get a job working for a *different* blockchain startup, before it was quite the dirty word it is now. the job itself was sort of a nightmare, but it was specifically because of the asshole who ran the place - everyone else was great and the work was sort of interesting, not to mention getting to meet all the industry's weirdos and psychos. then I left to work a steadier corporate job for a couple of years, and one of my former co-workers tapped me for this job, where I'd be working with some of those same people I liked, without (that) asshole boss, and for considerably more money than I was making at the time. so that's how that started.

since I last posted at least one exec has left the company, I'll be surprised if they survive the summer

Simon H., Saturday, 15 June 2019 21:52 (one month ago) link

tbh i don't really understand what "blockchain" even means and i don't give a fuck.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:11 (one month ago) link

I strongly suspect knowing what it means would never, ever impact your life in any meaningful way

Simon H., Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:20 (one month ago) link

great! *whistles and skips*

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:56 (one month ago) link

(i mean, tbh, i do have some idea, but mostly a vague notion that it's connected to cryptocurrency)

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:56 (one month ago) link

Do you know what a database is? Imagine that but extremely slow and used for fraud.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 16 June 2019 01:55 (one month ago) link

^^^^ yes

One of the equity crowd funding sites I track offered me the opportunity to fund a startup that loans people ‘fiat currency’ secured on their crypto holdings. Other than the use of the term ‘fiat currency’ sending me purple with rage, even though that is exactly what they wanted me to invest; this seems like a perfectly legitimate way to light a pile of money on fire.

The same crowd funding platform was recently also offering me an opportunity to earn 19% ‘risk free’ on secondary debt for construction finance. I need to unsubscribe from this email nonsense.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:03 (one month ago) link

I used to be quite positive about equity crowd funding but it appears to only attract the dross that can’t get funded elsewhere. I did some work for a company that had equity crowd funded because it couldn’t get other finance, it then attracted traditional investment which was tranched based on hitting customer acquisition targets. They failed to even hit a tenth of the first target so they are now out shaking down the gullible in another equity crowd funding raise.

Of course, whatever else happens the equity crowd funding platform gets 30% of the loot.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:22 (one month ago) link

ed you are also supposed to defend pittsburgh here

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:40 (one month ago) link

I’m assuming you could still rent a whole city block in Braddock for whatever he’s paying for the 85 sqft in downtown San Francisco.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:55 (one month ago) link

Zeitgeist is not downtown SF, it's in the Mission several miles southwest.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 06:03 (one month ago) link

Mountaineering is an extreme example where you’re trying to summit, while also trying to survive.

In some ways, it is like a startup, where you’re trying to maximize and become a unicorn, while also making sure details don’t pull you under. https://t.co/lYADRGMdVG

— Stanford Business (@StanfordGSB) June 29, 2019

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:20 (three weeks ago) link

Both are full of idiots that die and nobody cares

The most overlooked engine of growth is the individual. If you are really looking to move the world forward, begin by innovating on the inside, and disrupt yourself. https://t.co/SwYIgcnIqh

— Harvard Business Review (@HarvardBiz) June 28, 2019

jmm, Sunday, 30 June 2019 13:40 (three weeks ago) link

chugging expired milk to disrupt myself

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 30 June 2019 13:42 (three weeks ago) link

knocking over a marching band in a domino formation is how i disrupt my sense of personal ethics

hollow your fart (m bison), Sunday, 30 June 2019 13:53 (three weeks ago) link

Getting back to Zeitgeist...

There's something quintessentially San Francisco about a startup CEO living and working above a longtime bar.

Soon there will be five startup CEO's living and working up there, and no more longtime bar. Ah, metastasizing gentrification. So quintessentially SF. One day in the near future Vivek Kumar will be reminiscing wistfully about back when he used to have to step over puddles of vomit when he left for his morning lattes.

viborg, Monday, 1 July 2019 00:55 (three weeks ago) link

most of the people who used to live above Zeitgeist worked at Zeitgeist or other neighborhood spots. the rents were insanely cheap (my friend rented a room for $300/month there from 2007-2009) and allowed weird people to live in SF, as was kind of possible then.

that some yuppie trash now runs a start-up out of the place is yet another sign that we are in the worst of timelines, and San Francisco as a city is one of the biggest victims of it.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2019 01:18 (three weeks ago) link

Wow, $300 is insanely cheap. I was paying more than twice that for a similarly sized space in Oakland around the same time. I did have a little kitchen tho and a nice bath. But I also had to deal with the heroin addict who lived downstairs and had a personal grudge against me...long story. Anyway when I was partying at Zeitgeist it was mostly with said yuppie trash so I can't be too self-righteous about it.

viborg, Monday, 1 July 2019 02:25 (three weeks ago) link

Stanford Engineering alum/Youtube engineer techbro binges LSD in quiet hippy coastal town, ends up violently rampaging against friends, bystanders and finally law enforcement before being shot into submission.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/05/bodega-bay-deputy-shoots-s-f-man-in-grips-of-lsd-rampage/amp/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 7 July 2019 04:25 (two weeks ago) link

jeezus!

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 7 July 2019 05:18 (two weeks ago) link

what kind of lsd are these techbros brewing up that makes you do that

mh, Sunday, 7 July 2019 17:12 (two weeks ago) link

holy shit.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 July 2019 18:57 (two weeks ago) link

what kind of lsd are these techbros brewing up that makes you do that

― mh, Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:12 AM (two hours ago)

"On the hill the stuff was laced with kerosene"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 7 July 2019 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

Wow, $300 is insanely cheap. I was paying more than twice that for a similarly sized space in Oakland around the same time.

idk, around that time probably about half of my friends were paying $300 - $400/month in rent in Oakland and SF. I was living in a kinda big 2 bedroom apartment w/my bf and we each paid $425. ...It's the beauty of rent control. Though some of them lived in "non-compliant" warehouse spaces.

sarahell, Monday, 8 July 2019 17:56 (two weeks ago) link


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