ok lets all shit our pants to something old: pre-2006 horror film thread

huh i loved leatherface: texas chainsaw massacre 3. thrash metal horror! creepy viggo! really great atmosphere full of skulls and dead bodies and blue light!

Stop enticing me with more things to watch! I'm already overloaded!

Has the disturbing movie iceberg been mentioned on ilx yet?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IcebergCharts/comments/lavwrj/horror_cinema/

Lowest one I've seen is Tetsuo and I'm fine with that.

fans of "electrocuting an elephant" should look up the story behind of "emocoes..." on the youtube video.

I remember hating Chainsaw 3 when it was released, although the opening scene with Leatherface sewing a mask has stuck with me. Don't know if I care to revisit.

Re: iceberg chart. I've seen some people say the order of dubiousness is not consistent and that some of the lower ones are just kind of silly. The lowest one I have seen is Viva La Muerte by Arrabal (who was from the same Panic movement as Jodorowsky and Topor). The horribleness is pretty much all in the slaughterhouse footage and if I remember correctly, one actor gets inside a cows corpse but the thing that struck me most was the sight of a dead cow's face being demolished with power tools. I haven't seen Guinea Pig or Nekromantik but as far as I know, there is nothing equivalent, everything is fake in them.

I thought Viva La Muerte was okay but some people really love it, it's quite psychedelic and gloomy.

I'm not sure what that chart is showing. Movies and then titles of grindcore songs?

The point of the chart is, once you reach a stratum filled with titles you don't recognize, it's probably best to forget the existence of that stratum and all those below it.

I'm a horror fanatic and the vast majority of that chart below like the third level is shit that I never need to fuck with. I watched the relatively mild Evil Dead Trap the other day and some of the gore effects in that were at just about the outer limit of what I can handle.

It's quite a stylish film, wouldn't mind seeing the sequels; I remember it being quite tense but I really don't remember any particular violent scenes.
I think Guts Of A Virgin is on my list because it's supposed to be actually pretty good (?). Naked Blood is just so dreamy that the violence doesn't hit hard.

The positioning of Tetsuo on that list doesn't make any sense.

Last night I saw Bob Clark’s deathdream, not as good as black Christmas but some creepy scenes. & he was v good at eerie, suggestively ominous final shots based on this & bc

I've never seen scifi film Enemy Mine but I just learned that a producer insisted it have mines that miners work in it because he thought audiences would be confused if it didn't have them. Imagine working in hollywood

Don't really understand that iceberg myself. I had to watch "Mondo Cane" for a class back in the day, as an ur-example of exploitation in film

I just revisited Cronenberg's The Brood last night for Halloween. I saw it at a drive-in when it was new, and I remember the teenage stoner in the next car providing a pithy review: "This fucking movie fucking sucks!" He's not entirely wrong imo, but it does have some bizarrely great scenes.

The Brood is a good idea, but on second viewing (and any viewing after) it's less scary than depressing. Cronenberg was going through a divorce when he made it and that information basically seeps through every fucking frame of it.

I was just reading about that on wiki, yeah.

looked up a few of the lower titles on that graphic and yeah, no thanks. Although compared to its company, Orozco the Enbalmer looks like a worthwhile film that I will absolutely never watch.

there's also some stuff there that is really questionable politically: Buried in the Sand is a vile and racist propaganda film, pretty explicitly so, and that's just one example. of course there's a tinge of awful politics to a lot of horror films, but horror films made for explicitly propagandistic purposes are a little "no thanks" from me.

watched Event Horizon (1997) last night. hmmm. i'll call it Stupid Solaris.

that's why it's good!

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I haven't seen EH front to back in years, but I liked it when I first saw it, and started re-watching it on HBO Max a couple of weeks ago and was enjoying it a lot.

Watched Videodrome on Halloween and was struck by how gross every inch of it was. No, not the special effects, I mean the state of Max's apartment etc. The whole film gave me the urge to either shower or give something a fresh coat of paint.

I haven't seen EH front to back in years

Yeah you haven't!

when seeing EH front to back YOU WON'T NEED EYES [rips own eyes out because...reasons not explained]

Don't know who painted the In The Mouth Of Madness book covers. Joseph Griffith is listed as illustrator but it doesn't look like anything on his site

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I’ve seen Africa Addio (1966) from the iceberg graphic and would say it’s definitely grim and dark and makes one concerned for the human race. But it should be watched and criticized, as any other film purported to be a documentary should be.

Other Meiko Kaji films like Lady Snowblood 1-2 and Blind Woman's Curse didn't make a huge impression on me so Female Prisoner Scorpion boxed set is an amazing surprise. Genuinely a contender for my favorite films series ever. Giallo fans should all see the first 3 films because there's a lot of similar stylization and it has just amazing horror scenes while not being in that genre overall, like up there with Bava and Argento. First film is great, second and third are brilliant (Kayoko Shiraishi is a fantastic supporting actress), fourth film is a different director and a definite step down but still pretty solid.

I appreciate the bonus video essay which covered a handful of the endless reboots.

After all the pissing on the japanese flag in this series, it's a shame Shun'ya Ito went on to make a film going soft on Hideki Tojo.

Love how many japanese girl gang films have "girl boss" in the title, hoho

Really the first 3 films are must see, the shot of the sex>flames>Scorpion rising out of the water is masterful

Not hugely keen on merchandising and licensing crossovers but Scorpion would be pretty awesome in a fighting game. I'd like a t-shirt of the third film poster

I'm still only two films in, but Female Prisoner Scorpion series is all time.

That video essay was 40mins but I'd really love to hear more about the source manga and all the reboots and whatever else has came of it. There was a big homage in Love Exposure and I wonder if that was the first time I'd heard of the character

Only seen the first but FSP is soooo sick

I still have it to come but if Sister Street Fighter and Stray Cat Rock are anything to go by I'm in for a treat.

I haven't liked much of the pinky violence/roman porno films I've seen but there's a guide to them I'm tempted by. Maybe Kumashiro's excellent version of Jigoku falls into that? (so much better than the Nakagawa one Criterion put out)
Will be an absoloute minefield and impossible to find much of them but artsploitation is one of the best kinds of film.

Watched Svengali (1931) starring John Barrymore. People don't talk about this much but it's quite an oddity. Kind of a comedy but has a totally downer ending. Lots of german expressionist aesthetics in the sets/architecture and Barrymore's eyes look genuinely creepy in one scene (reminiscent of Mabuse). Writer or director probably liked feet. A scottish man and english man strip Barrymore and put him in a bath (but mostly off-camera).

Writer or director probably liked feet.

If you're referring to the bit where Trilby kicks off her shoes to display her feet, that's in the source novel.

But yes, the art director and cinematographer borrowed copiously from Expressionism. Anyone who likes this should check out The Mad Genius (1931). This also stars Barrymore, playing a mashup of Rasputin and Diaghilev.

It was also that bit with the artist drawing her feet on the door

Also worth mentioning is Barrymore was possibly the most striking looking Jekyll & Hyde

So much that Graham Ingels based a character on that version of Hyde

Mentioned in a few posts back in September. Just watched the whole thing. Thanks for the recommendation, really well done.

Oh wait thought I was responding to a post in the pre-2005 thread about Woodlands Dark.

88 Films is releasing Pupi Avati's Zeder. I liked House Of Laughing Windows okay but I've always wanted this one. Hopefully Mysterious Enchanter won't be long away too.

Watched a muddy version of Spider Labyrinth on youtube, it's heavily inspired by Argento but with more monster stuff. It's okay but I wonder how much better it could look with a remaster, I used to think you could tell roughly how well a film is shot even in a shitty copy but I think I've been surprised before.

https://www.fabpress.com/the-ghastly-one-paperback.html
Has anyone read this? I've never seen any of his films but the book sounds great

I'm cautiously interested in this but I fear it will spend more time on everything but the films
https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/zer0-books/our-books/fear-before-fall-horror-films-late-soviet-union

Didn't know this was coming back into print so have ordered, thanks for the tip.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say his films are not for you. The acting is rarely more than amateur, he makes some ridiculous shot choices repeatedly (my favourite is when he sets up a two shot on a table with a giant centrepiece which obscures at least one actor wherever he shoots from and he does in at least three films), weird bits of actual hardcore pornography, poorly realised gore or real animal abuse appear frequently and often not in service of any plot point. But...

He has a real charm that somehow gets under your skin. The movies are edited together haphazardly, but part of that is because scene length is based on whatever offcuts he could buy. And Vapors is genuinely good, I think.

Of his famous works, Fleshpots is a good start and then try his British films. There's a BFI Flipside twofer of Nightbirds and The Body Beneath that's fairly easy to get hold of. Then I guess you can take your choice after that.

I'll probably try one someday, but not in a hurry.

His real life is pretty fascinating though, so you might get a kick out of the book.

I was okay with Zeder but Gabriele Lavia is super handsome, had only seen him in the Argento films I think. Maybe a little too sunny and prosaic?