ok lets all shit our pants to something old: pre-2006 horror film thread

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I know there are loads of old horror film threads but I wanted a more obvious one for regular discussion of whatever you have seen recently and for recent reissues of older films.

I'll talk again about some of the older films that I mentioned in the other thread. So I'm going to repeat myself a bit.

NIGHT OF THE DEVILS came out on DVD about a year ago and its by the director of Mill Of Stone Women. Early 70s, somewhere between old Bava and more modern gorey stuff. It's about a mostly abandoned forest town with wurdalak style vampires haunting it. I don't think it's a classic but it clearly deserves to emerge out of neglect/obscurity because before it got reissued it seems there was rarely any mention of it and I think it's a lot better than many other 70s Italian horror films. It has some really great images but on the downside it has two vampires dying a screaming death in a laughably unlikely fashion.

Last summer I watched on YouTube two of the 50s versions of GHOST OF YOTSUYA. The late 50s colour version was easily the better version and probably the most glaringly absent film of all the western DVD releases of classic Japanese horror films (such as Kwaidan, Onibaba, Kuroneko, Blind Beast, 60s version of Jigoku, Horrors Of Malformed Men, Lake Of Dracula, Matango, Hausu and Ugetsu). I'd say this was better than most of them actually. Great soundtrack, great ending scenes.
This really needs a proper release, I've heard that Miike's upcoming Over Your Dead Body is a variation on this story that has been filmed roughly ten times. Maybe that'll help this version come out but I wouldn't bet on it. Do you think emailing DVD labels would be worthwhile?

BOXER'S OMEN was another impressive recent viewing mostly for the sheer weirdness and colourful grotesque elements.

MORGIANA is kind of a basic murder mystery plot but it's made worthwhile by the visual styling, great dresses of the mostly female cast and good setting. I'd like to see more of Juraj Herz's horror films but there seems to be nothing available aside from Cremator.

MUMSY NANNY SONNY AND GIRLY was really funny in a way that might annoy a lot of people; it's kind of unique. I love how in America they called it GIRLY and advertised it like a sexploitation film.

Other things I saw not long ago was SISTERS and NIGHTMARE ALLEY, both very good but probably don't need as much introduction.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:36 (eight years ago) link

Saw BLOOD ON SATAN'S CLAW on tv last night and I'm glad I didn't buy it, I find most British horror films of that era immensely overrated even though I love those gothic and rural visual styles more than anything. Redeeming features are the settings, the odd soundtrack and the lovely dancing naked girl at the end. I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:52 (eight years ago) link

I sort of felt the same way about Witchfinder General, but eventually warmed up to the thing.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 13:56 (eight years ago) link

Isn't Witchfinder General more anti-conservative? I've never seen the whole thing.

I think IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS deserves way more chat than it gets. It has some really major flaws but I think it's a lot more ambitious, effective and special in places than it ever gets credit for; probably same for Prince Of Darkness but to a lesser extent. Something that strikes me is how Carpenter has always been very pro-showthemonster but you only get a brief glimpse at what was clearly a bunch of monsters that had loads of work put into them. I've never been able to find out about the DVD extras of the film but I remember as a terrified child seeing on tv the special effects studio proudly showing off the monsters and I wonder if that clip is lost forever.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:05 (eight years ago) link

Not about the conservative angle, just the Britishness of it.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 14:16 (eight years ago) link

Which Sisters are you talking about? It's not obviously bringing anything to mind right now.

Morgiana/Mumsy Nanny/Nightmare Alley all top films. The latter I love a possibly inordinate amount. The former, yeah, it's all about the styling, I see it as high gothic meets Mucha meets late '60s/early '70s surrealism. But then I may be talking crap. I actually went to a costume party as Viktorie recently, though I'm not sure how well I pulled it off (or indeed if anyone knew who I was supposed to be).

Looked up Boxer's Omen - that has gone straight on my 'to watch' list.

emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:24 (eight years ago) link

I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.

Not entirely sure what you mean - horror kind of revolves around attraction/repulsion towards what's on screen, but I don't think Brit rural folk horror is noticeably more repulsed by its pagan practices than it is attracted...

emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:27 (eight years ago) link

DePalma's Sisters. A much better film than Scarface or Carrie I'd say.

I think the whole "conservative" horror and fantasy thing is not as easy to decide as some might say but it has been used repeatedly as a critique. Like Tolkien's orcs; pagans and vampires in films being defeated by puritans. Kim Newman talks about this a lot in his book NIGHTMARE MOVIES.

I think the conservative depiction of vampires accusation is harder to justify because it seems sensible to kill vampires who are destroying your families and are killing lots of people in the process. A vampires bloodlust overpowering their their empathy is a good enough explanation for me. The actions of those in Blood On Satan's Claw make sense inside the film, but there is a feeling among lots of critics that this comes from a unfair worldview, particularly when old Christian dudes are getting the violent victory at the end (but in BOSC the guy who kills the demon seems secular).

The depictions of pagans in particular. Like when Moorcock said that you can't really trust Tolkien to tell you that all orcs are pure evil.
I like Christopher Lee but I recall him in a recent interview talking about pagans as if they were a real threat in the modern world.

Ever since Clive Barkers era I think it's been frowned upon in some circles to depict humanoid monsters as unquestionably evil. Some people have accused Machen's "Great God Pan" being misogynist but I don't see that myself.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:03 (eight years ago) link

hey just fyi this exists too:

sometimes I like to shit my pants oldschool: 1990-1999 horror film thread

Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:13 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, but the pagans in The Wicker Man are unquestionably the bad guys, but you still side with them over Edward Woodward every time. They're obviously bad, but they're much much cooler and more interesting. So does that make it a conservative film or not?


emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:15 (eight years ago) link

I'll never forget how as a child, having "good guys" win against monsters made no sense to me, I was horrified when I saw Dracula clumsily falling through cracking ice into freezing water. I think that was Dracula Prince Of Darkness.
Many years later even though my expectations were lower, I was still horrified by a Dracula who was supposed to be "powerful beyond your wildest imaginings" even more clumsily kills himself by getting tricked into walking into too many thorny bushes. That might have been Dracula AD1972.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:17 (eight years ago) link

I've never been huge on Wicker Man, Woodward doesn't deserve his fate but he is annoying enough that his downfall is funny and satisfying rather than difficult to swallow.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:20 (eight years ago) link

In the Mouth of Madness is really really great. Miles better than Prince of Darkness.

Sisters was one of Herrmann's last great film scores and it drives me crazy that it is only available on CD in a shitty sounding noise-reduced edition. Someday I'll buy the LP and make a rip of it.

I managed to download Michael (Witchfinder General) Reeves' The Sorcerers off the internet this weekend and am v v psyched to watch it.

Disappearing doorways department: I bookmarked a bunch of 70s british ITV horror items on Youtube a few weeks ago (particularly the Beasts series of short films) but when I went back to watch them the dude's account had been shut down.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:22 (eight years ago) link

looooool @ the new DVD of "The Visitor" what an entertainingly bad movie

Damn I maybe should have called this thread "pre-2005" because "post-2005" probably includes everything in 2005? I'm sure it doesn't matter too much which thread includes 2005 films.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:49 (eight years ago) link

I'm a huge fan of Nosferatu and the very beautiful Faust (aside from the prolonged romantic comedy section) but I've never tried another Murnau film despite years of opportunity and more complete versions of his other films which has risen their critical standing.
Any recommendations for Phantom or Haunted Castle?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:09 (eight years ago) link

COFFIN JOE COLLECTION is a bargain even if most of the 9 films are very poor...

AT MIDNIGHT I WILL TAKE YOUR SOUL is okay, it has mainly short bursts of gusto and a freshness of approach about it.

The sequel THIS NIGHT I WILL POSSESS YOUR CORPSE is the only one I'd actually recommend and if you bought the collection for only this, it would be a fair price. There is some overly long boring scenes but it is totally unique and has lots of energy; a few good hysterical scenes with strange imagery, really crazy intro credits too. Sadly the film still has censored dialogue at the end to make it appear as if Coffin Joe repented for his sins.

These first two films also have a strange philosophy that adds a lot to their appeal; but sometimes I wonder if Marins has it all figured out or if he just makes it up to be whatever sounds cool at any given moment. Coffin Joe is supposed to be crazily sexist but the way his female victims fall in love with him so easily make the film's look sexist as a whole. The director and his character are a fascinating phenomenon sometimes (worth reading about how he was regarded in Brazil) but I don't know why the later films have such an imaginative decline.

Aside from the documentary all the other films are really challeningly dull slogs with brief moments of interest and oddity.
Awakening Of The Beast has funny little four legged monster with a tree sprouting from its back, some weird hallucinatory scenes similar to the second film and people with faces painted on their shaking buttocks. A later film has a man discreetly fingering a woman to help her look like she is crying at a funeral.
After sitting through them all, I understand why so few people bothered writing about the later films.

I'm curious about his newer film Embodiment Of Evil. Marins has a reputation for making risky scenes of women being terrorized by creepy crawlies and some people have said the women in this film look genuinely hysterical in a deeply worrying way. He had to take his wife to the hospital to get an insect out her ear as she was screaming that she thought it was inside her brain.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:05 (eight years ago) link

There needs to be a proper Corman box set of his horror films. I'm reluctant to get a lot of them because a lot of them are underwhelming but they often have just enough going for them for me to crave more and I think they are better than the similar British films of that era.

THE UNDEAD (not seen it but the trailer has a stunning beauty in it)
MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH (should offend dwarves)
PIT AND THE PENDULUM (easily the best of the ones I've seen, good visuals and Barbara Steele)
TOMB OF LIGEIA (a bit dull)
THE TERROR (Karloff and Jack Nicholson, okay)
PREMATURE BURIAL (not seen it)
TALES OF TERROR (not seen it)
THE RAVEN (not seen it)
TOWER OF LONDON (really dull, not to be confused with Karloff film of same name)
HAUNTED PALACE (Lovecraft attempt with some nice visuals and gorgeous lady)

Not sure about comedies like A Bucket Of Blood and Little Shop Of Horrors. I always thought Oblong Box was by Corman but it isn't. Horror Hotel feels like one of them and I'm quite fond of that.

I'm amazed that Corman is still regularly producing films with titles just like he did in the 50s-60s. Anyone seen his newer films?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:47 (eight years ago) link

Don't get people who are rooting against Sgt Howie in TWM. He may be a bit of a prude but how can you not feel for him? Even on a basic level of empathy for a guy who's clearly trying to do good while all around plot against him.

ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:53 (eight years ago) link

I guess I could feel sorry for him but my excuse is that I saw that clip "Oh God!Oh Jesus Christ!" repeatedly (people link to it regularly on forums and blogs for comic effect) on tv horror film documentaries that had obnoxious spoilers. It is very funny in isolation.
I think those shows spoiled a lot of films and I hope future viewers can experience a lot of these films more freshly than I did. Luckily when I watched Spoorloos/Vanishing, I didn't realise I had previously seen the ending on a clip show until the film finished. That would have ruined it.
Those clip show bastards showed the endings to Suspiria, Nosferatu, Exorcist and Don't Look Now.

It is sad that books aren't more widely discussed but the big benefit is you can read most of the classics without knowing what happens in them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:07 (eight years ago) link

Tears of Kali (2004, Andreas Marschall)
German flick about a fictional cult whose meditation methods unleash demons, sounds pretty great. Not great by any means, but intriguing and promising. Unusual ideas, ambitious storytelling and an omnibus structure that keeps things moving. Undercut by distinctly lacklustre cinema. A trial run for something better?

Naked Blood (1996, Hisayasu Sato)
Repeat viewing. An alienated young man invents a serum that causes people to experience pain as pleasure, tragedy ensuses. This film seems known only to hardcore gore & transgression buffs, but I think it's an amazing work of art. A justly notorious (though relatively brief) midfilm auto-cannibalism setpiece drastically limits its potential audience, but I strongly recommend Naked Blood to anyone who thinks they might be able to stomach the gore. Surreal, quietly anguished and strangely haunting. A longtime personal favorite that holds up remarkably well.

Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies (2001, Naoyuki Tomomatsu)
Repeat viewing. A mysterious disease causes young women between the ages of 15 and 17 to die and then return to life as mindless, bloodthirsty zombies. This cheerfully schlocky, superficially comical splatter movie uses its basic situation to tell a number of related (and in most cases overlapping) stories, with varying tone & emphasis. Beneath the goofy surface, however, lies a cryptic and rather disturbing commentary on Japanese schoolgirl fetishism. Sui generis and strangely heartfelt.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 06:05 (eight years ago) link

I've seen a fair amount of talk about Naked Blood On this forum. I'm intrigued, I don't think I've even heard the name before.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:32 (eight years ago) link

damn you aren't kidding that tears of kali SOUNDS great! I have to see that despite yr mixed rev.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:12 (eight years ago) link

tears of kali is definitely worth a watch, and yeah, the concept had me sold from the get-go. the director's follow-up, masks, is much more assured & satisfying, if a good deal less original.

re naked blood: i genuinely love the move, but it's very hard to recommend. the worst moments (of which there are few) are REALLY nasty, like "some things you can't unsee" level unpleasantness. my sense is that the yuk factor unbalances and overshadows the rest of the film, to the point where even i have to admit that a threshold has been crossed. with that substantial caveat in mind, an amazing piece of work.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 18:54 (eight years ago) link

I never go out of my way to seek or avoid violent sickie films; but I've heard a lot of complaints recently about such things and I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.
There are some things I don't like seeing but I can't think of anything that I thought shouldn't have been shown.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:32 (eight years ago) link

i don't mean that naked blood becomes reprehensible as a result of its gore (well it does, but that doesn't bother me in itself). i mean that the nastier moments alter the film's overall tone substantially, perhaps to its artistic detriment. certainly limits the potential audience, which seems a shame.

... I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.

feel you, but i'm not sure that kind of thing should or even can be broken down all logical-like. we all have our limits, and gut-level emotional responses (DO NOT WANT!) are just as valid as more seemingly-coherent intellectual analyses.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:45 (eight years ago) link

I just went to amazon and bought it there. 20pounds, a little bit too expensive but I'm very intrigued. I'll have to watch this when everyone else is asleep.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:47 (eight years ago) link

A few more things I saw in recent times...

In the music section of this forum I've praised the soundtrack a lot (Libra includes a few Goblin members). When I watched the trailer for this film I decided to not bother with the film because the soundtrack by itself seemed so much more exciting.
But a few years later I got the chance to see it and it was way better than expected. This might even be one of Bava's very best films. A lot of his classic films stand on the strength of their visuals but this is better than most of them as a whole work. This is Bava adjusting to a new era of Italian horror film and he doesn't look remotely out of touch here.
The story is about a dead father who haunts his wife by possessing the body of his son.
Some really strange moments in this film, but really the soundtrack is still my favourite thing about it.

Some people rate this as one of the greatest Japanese horror films ever but it barely made much impression on me. It's made in the form of a documentary, with tv show clips and investigative journalism.

Aside from the appealingly smokey dark visuals and settings, this is yet another incredibly dull Bela Lugosi film with all the willingness and poor comic relief you'd expect.

Sluggish boredom and the expected racism. The lightning massacre at the end was kind of good but I could never recommend the film.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 21:59 (eight years ago) link

It is weirdly sedate for a gore film, reminds me in some places of Death Powder. I can see how you might think the goriest parts spoil the sleepily surreal parts. The violence is important to the story, so the gore doesn't feel entirely misplaced; perhaps after being warned it didn't seem too bad to me. The naïve quality of the film was interesting.
Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?
There was an advert on the dvd for a film called Sexy Soccer, which looks like the laziest sexploitation film I've ever seen.

This film makes little attempt at being coherent but it has some good stuff in there. Steamy cyberpunk locations, hallucinatory scenes, a humorous music video, groups of scarred people. The version I saw was only partially subtitled.

This is really stiffly animated but it works well enough, the background art has some nice dreamy darkness about it. The first story is pleasingly monstrous, surprisingly scary with a pretty cool twist.
Umezu got a lot of his comics made into live action tv/film but I've never bothered with them apart from this.

This is from Sogo Ishii's quiet phase after his early punk films. An elegant soft black and white ghost story that is only borderline horror, really nice stuff. Ishii's frequent actor Tadanobu Asano stars.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 15:41 (eight years ago) link

From the animation thread, but I properly linked this video because this thread isn't in threat of being overloaded with videos...

Nina Shorina's "Room Of Laughter" here. One of the best films I saw last year. A prime example of what animation can do for horror. If you have ten minutes to spare...


Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:00 (eight years ago) link

Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:41 AM (Yesterday)

nearly all of hisayasu sato's other films are softcore sex pictures (though he did direct a memorable segment in 2005's rampo noir horror omnibus). i've downloaded a few of his pinku based on the recommendation of others, but have yet to watch any: survey map of a paradise lost, an aria on gazes and love - 0 = infinity. tbh, i don't know whether the somewhat artful titles here are original or replacements intended to help sell the films to more sensitive western audiences, and i don't really trust imdb on this. he's said to be a well respected director within his micro-genre, an experimental punk artist working at the furthest fringes of commercial cinema. i wouldn't know, and i'm not sure i want to further explore a filmography full of titles like lolita vibrator torture and horse woman dog. he did make a gay pink film called muscle, which sounds intriguing, but i haven't found a torrent.

personally, i see naked blood as an interesting and convincingly anguised peice of outsider art. the fact that the director apparently spent the bulk of his career making sleazy, violent, low budget pornography only adds to the nihilist resonance.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:13 (eight years ago) link

and wow, death powder sounds great! thanks for the tip, will watch.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:18 (eight years ago) link

Anyone been seeing these recent BFI disc releases? Stuff like M R James/Ghost Story For Christmas collection, Robin Redbreast, Gaslight, Sleepwalker, Dead Of Night, Supernatural and Schalcken The Painter?

Most of this appears to be old British tv shows, I'm sceptical but I've seen some extremely positive reviews for them. I've seen one or two of the M R James episodes and they were fine. I read Le Fanu's Schalcken The Painter recently and I am curious how they'd pull it off for screen.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:14 (eight years ago) link

A word of warning: the complete Karloff's Thriller is packaged and blurbed like a pure horror show but really only something like 10 episodes of the 67 are horror; it was really a noir/crime/mystery show. Quite a few people said it was better than Twilight Zone and Outer Limits but I never saw much of them.
It was decent but I never sustained enough interest to watch the whole thing. A lot of the acting is a bit sloppy. The highlights for me were a haunted house story with Rip Torn; a Bloch story about a mirror or glasses that let you see monstrous "true" forms of people; best was a Derleth story with Karloff as a weird pale lethargic scientist covered in cobwebs. But none of this was really enough to justify getting the boxed set.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:37 (eight years ago) link

I super dug the three episodes I watched before it was taken off Netflix. Also: tons of fuckin money ass goldsmith scores on those.

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:39 (eight years ago) link

The theme tune was great.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:54 (eight years ago) link

100 bloody acres now streaming on us at least netflix

ohhhh lorde 2pac big please mansplain to this sucker (jjjusten), Friday, 2 May 2014 02:11 (eight years ago) link

The Watson/Webber version of Fall Of House Of Usher. I'd say it was among the best silent horror films. Only 12 minutes...

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 May 2014 23:09 (eight years ago) link

Any opinions on the 1974 version of Dracula? I guess it's about to be reissued, and Varese Sarabande just issued the soundtrack by Bob Cobert-- I listened to it on spotify today and it's great stuff in the hammer romantic-menace vein (but better recorded than most of the hammer music).

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Friday, 2 May 2014 23:33 (eight years ago) link

Who was playing that Dracula, it doesn't sound familiar.

Anyone saw Mimic directors cut? Del Toro said he was pleased because he didn't have to disown the film anymore. But I'm still kind of reluctant because unlike Barker's Nighbreed, I never got the sense that it could have been something special if left alone (admittedly based on the opinions of people who saw it before it was butchered). I guess The Keep is another film that people are still hoping for a directors cut.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 May 2014 23:29 (eight years ago) link

Just watched my new copy of IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS (not a good copy, I think it's Korean, it has way too small a screen size), I hadn't seen it in maybe more than 10 years and it holds up less well than I had imagined.
The light metal music in the intro/outro doesn't set the tone very well. I remembered the film being cheesy with the appearance of the evil writer and the clichéd scary children but I didn't remember the goofy humour at all, with all those wisecracks.
I used to be freaked out by Sam Neill laughing in the cinema but I guess there was nothing wrong with that part, I'm just older. I kept thinking Neill didn't care that much about his performance or maybe he thought this was going to be closer to a horror comedy than it really was. It's unbelievable and funny how he makes a map from the book covers.

What is still quite effective is the disordered reality scenes almost like Jacob's Ladder, a lot of the driving scenes with the tunnels, dark roads and the cyclist; I liked the creatures (especially the main tunnel scene that is very similar to Lovecraft's "At The Mountains Of Madness") and the church interior too.

2 taglines: "Lived any good books lately?" and "Reality isn't what it used to be".

I have really strong memories of being very young and even terrified of this films existence, trying to avoid looking at pictures of it. As a young teen finding it pretty scary too.

It isn't great but I don't know why it rarely gets mentioned for quite a long time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:38 (eight years ago) link

One of my favourite sites heavily recommended an obscurity called Atrapados that sounded really great...

Now he linked to vimeo where the director has uploaded the film...
I hope I can watch it soon if my internet speed gets fixed.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:50 (eight years ago) link

I'd watch a Keep director's cut out of curiosity, but the film is perfect as is

lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:46 (eight years ago) link

I think the reason it has never had a DVD release is possibly the difficulty of finally putting together the directors cut. Not sure what is stopping Nightbreed.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:51 (eight years ago) link


I got an unexpected amount of pleasure seeing a musclebound hero who is also a convincing, likable everyman (for lack of a better word). Not a fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger, I don't mind Stallone but I could do with more big muscle guys who seem approachable in films. Don't think I've seen a film with The Rock in it but he seems nice.

I'm very familiar with the majority of Carpenter's films but for some reason I had never heard of They Live until a few years ago.

Great funny long fight scene. The thing I liked least is the very forced sounding wise cracks and cheesy lines.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:26 (eight years ago) link

Been looking around for Jean Rollin DVDs and some are prominently labelled for being uncut but I don't think any of his films have been censored for decades have they? He seems way too tame to be censored into the DVD age.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:22 (eight years ago) link

Are the Dr Phibes films worthwhile?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:18 (eight years ago) link

I had passed on The Hunger and Paul Schrader's version of Cat People many times because I never bought the hype, they didn't sound interesting to me. I lump them together as very 80s sexy horror films that were very modern and cool for their time, I guess Near Dark might even fit in there. But I finally watched both this weekend and I'm glad I did.

Cat People feels like a radical new interpretation possibly more based on the source short story than the original film (?), I have to agree with the camp that prefers this to the Lewton film (I think there were better Lewton films), there were so many aspects I don't recall in the older film. Kinski was really sweet in this.

The Hunger was a real surprise. I don't have much experience with Tony Scott but I was never remotely attracted to most of his output that I know of (I have heard he has done lesser known great stuff); so I was amazed that this is one of the most visually impressive and stylish films I've ever seen; really beautiful at times. A lot of old makeup jobs look terrible but the makeup for aging Bowie was very impressive. This is the type of surprise that makes me think that sometimes I should listen to hype when I'm reluctant.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 01:58 (eight years ago) link

first doctor phibes is fun, not great, but a nice period piece, great production design. second is a wash.

dig both the hunger and shrader's cat people remake, moreso the former. other than that and true romance, though, i've never had much use for tony scott.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Sunday, 18 May 2014 04:16 (eight years ago) link

This might be kind of silly but Angel Witch's Dr Phibes tune made me think "wow, maybe if that film inspired such great music maybe the film is great too".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 12:30 (eight years ago) link

Stop enticing me with more things to watch! I'm already overloaded!

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 October 2021 02:34 (six months ago) link

Has the disturbing movie iceberg been mentioned on ilx yet?

Lowest one I've seen is Tetsuo and I'm fine with that.

adam t. (abanana), Friday, 29 October 2021 20:54 (six months ago) link

fans of "electrocuting an elephant" should look up the story behind of "emocoes..." on the youtube video.

adam t. (abanana), Friday, 29 October 2021 21:13 (six months ago) link

I remember hating Chainsaw 3 when it was released, although the opening scene with Leatherface sewing a mask has stuck with me. Don't know if I care to revisit.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 29 October 2021 21:38 (six months ago) link

Re: iceberg chart. I've seen some people say the order of dubiousness is not consistent and that some of the lower ones are just kind of silly. The lowest one I have seen is Viva La Muerte by Arrabal (who was from the same Panic movement as Jodorowsky and Topor). The horribleness is pretty much all in the slaughterhouse footage and if I remember correctly, one actor gets inside a cows corpse but the thing that struck me most was the sight of a dead cow's face being demolished with power tools. I haven't seen Guinea Pig or Nekromantik but as far as I know, there is nothing equivalent, everything is fake in them.

I thought Viva La Muerte was okay but some people really love it, it's quite psychedelic and gloomy.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 October 2021 21:57 (six months ago) link

I'm not sure what that chart is showing. Movies and then titles of grindcore songs?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 October 2021 22:00 (six months ago) link

The point of the chart is, once you reach a stratum filled with titles you don't recognize, it's probably best to forget the existence of that stratum and all those below it.

knuckleheaded mornonic bafoon (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 October 2021 23:35 (six months ago) link

I'm a horror fanatic and the vast majority of that chart below like the third level is shit that I never need to fuck with. I watched the relatively mild Evil Dead Trap the other day and some of the gore effects in that were at just about the outer limit of what I can handle.

knuckleheaded mornonic bafoon (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 October 2021 23:38 (six months ago) link

It's quite a stylish film, wouldn't mind seeing the sequels; I remember it being quite tense but I really don't remember any particular violent scenes.
I think Guts Of A Virgin is on my list because it's supposed to be actually pretty good (?). Naked Blood is just so dreamy that the violence doesn't hit hard.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 October 2021 23:59 (six months ago) link

The positioning of Tetsuo on that list doesn't make any sense.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 October 2021 00:00 (six months ago) link

Last night I saw Bob Clark’s deathdream, not as good as black Christmas but some creepy scenes. & he was v good at eerie, suggestively ominous final shots based on this & bc

siffleur’s mom (wins), Saturday, 30 October 2021 11:22 (six months ago) link

I've never seen scifi film Enemy Mine but I just learned that a producer insisted it have mines that miners work in it because he thought audiences would be confused if it didn't have them. Imagine working in hollywood

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 October 2021 22:57 (six months ago) link

Don't really understand that iceberg myself. I had to watch "Mondo Cane" for a class back in the day, as an ur-example of exploitation in film

I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:20 (six months ago) link

I just revisited Cronenberg's The Brood last night for Halloween. I saw it at a drive-in when it was new, and I remember the teenage stoner in the next car providing a pithy review: "This fucking movie fucking sucks!" He's not entirely wrong imo, but it does have some bizarrely great scenes.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:37 (six months ago) link

The Brood is a good idea, but on second viewing (and any viewing after) it's less scary than depressing. Cronenberg was going through a divorce when he made it and that information basically seeps through every fucking frame of it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:35 (six months ago) link

I was just reading about that on wiki, yeah.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:52 (six months ago) link

looked up a few of the lower titles on that graphic and yeah, no thanks. Although compared to its company, Orozco the Enbalmer looks like a worthwhile film that I will absolutely never watch.

JoeStork, Monday, 1 November 2021 19:14 (six months ago) link

there's also some stuff there that is really questionable politically: Buried in the Sand is a vile and racist propaganda film, pretty explicitly so, and that's just one example. of course there's a tinge of awful politics to a lot of horror films, but horror films made for explicitly propagandistic purposes are a little "no thanks" from me.

I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 1 November 2021 19:29 (six months ago) link

watched Event Horizon (1997) last night. hmmm. i'll call it Stupid Solaris.

andrew m., Tuesday, 2 November 2021 16:37 (six months ago) link

that's why it's good!

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 17:09 (six months ago) link


Nhex, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 17:47 (six months ago) link

I haven't seen EH front to back in years, but I liked it when I first saw it, and started re-watching it on HBO Max a couple of weeks ago and was enjoying it a lot.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 17:50 (six months ago) link

Watched Videodrome on Halloween and was struck by how gross every inch of it was. No, not the special effects, I mean the state of Max's apartment etc. The whole film gave me the urge to either shower or give something a fresh coat of paint.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 17:56 (six months ago) link

I haven't seen EH front to back in years

Yeah you haven't!

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 17:57 (six months ago) link

when seeing EH front to back YOU WON'T NEED EYES [rips own eyes out because...reasons not explained]

andrew m., Tuesday, 2 November 2021 18:11 (six months ago) link

Don't know who painted the In The Mouth Of Madness book covers. Joseph Griffith is listed as illustrator but it doesn't look like anything on his site

"Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?" 🔵#ICYMI, Sutter Cane novels from @TheHorrorMaster's 'In the Mouth of Madness' (1994) are now on display inside our 'Scared to Death: The Thrill of Horror Film' exhibition. 📚

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— MoPOP (@MoPOP) November 6, 2021

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 7 November 2021 17:15 (six months ago) link

I’ve seen Africa Addio (1966) from the iceberg graphic and would say it’s definitely grim and dark and makes one concerned for the human race. But it should be watched and criticized, as any other film purported to be a documentary should be.

Josefa, Sunday, 7 November 2021 21:28 (six months ago) link

Other Meiko Kaji films like Lady Snowblood 1-2 and Blind Woman's Curse didn't make a huge impression on me so Female Prisoner Scorpion boxed set is an amazing surprise. Genuinely a contender for my favorite films series ever. Giallo fans should all see the first 3 films because there's a lot of similar stylization and it has just amazing horror scenes while not being in that genre overall, like up there with Bava and Argento. First film is great, second and third are brilliant (Kayoko Shiraishi is a fantastic supporting actress), fourth film is a different director and a definite step down but still pretty solid.

I appreciate the bonus video essay which covered a handful of the endless reboots.

After all the pissing on the japanese flag in this series, it's a shame Shun'ya Ito went on to make a film going soft on Hideki Tojo.

Love how many japanese girl gang films have "girl boss" in the title, hoho

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 November 2021 21:03 (five months ago) link

Really the first 3 films are must see, the shot of the sex>flames>Scorpion rising out of the water is masterful

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 November 2021 21:05 (five months ago) link

Not hugely keen on merchandising and licensing crossovers but Scorpion would be pretty awesome in a fighting game. I'd like a t-shirt of the third film poster

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 November 2021 21:18 (five months ago) link

I'm still only two films in, but Female Prisoner Scorpion series is all time.

Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 November 2021 21:26 (five months ago) link

That video essay was 40mins but I'd really love to hear more about the source manga and all the reboots and whatever else has came of it. There was a big homage in Love Exposure and I wonder if that was the first time I'd heard of the character

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 November 2021 21:49 (five months ago) link

Only seen the first but FSP is soooo sick

Nhex, Saturday, 20 November 2021 00:43 (five months ago) link

I still have it to come but if Sister Street Fighter and Stray Cat Rock are anything to go by I'm in for a treat.

Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Saturday, 20 November 2021 01:09 (five months ago) link

I haven't liked much of the pinky violence/roman porno films I've seen but there's a guide to them I'm tempted by. Maybe Kumashiro's excellent version of Jigoku falls into that? (so much better than the Nakagawa one Criterion put out)
Will be an absoloute minefield and impossible to find much of them but artsploitation is one of the best kinds of film.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 November 2021 11:42 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Watched Svengali (1931) starring John Barrymore. People don't talk about this much but it's quite an oddity. Kind of a comedy but has a totally downer ending. Lots of german expressionist aesthetics in the sets/architecture and Barrymore's eyes look genuinely creepy in one scene (reminiscent of Mabuse). Writer or director probably liked feet. A scottish man and english man strip Barrymore and put him in a bath (but mostly off-camera).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 23 December 2021 13:55 (four months ago) link

Writer or director probably liked feet.

If you're referring to the bit where Trilby kicks off her shoes to display her feet, that's in the source novel.

But yes, the art director and cinematographer borrowed copiously from Expressionism. Anyone who likes this should check out The Mad Genius (1931). This also stars Barrymore, playing a mashup of Rasputin and Diaghilev.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Thursday, 23 December 2021 14:22 (four months ago) link

It was also that bit with the artist drawing her feet on the door

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 23 December 2021 14:28 (four months ago) link

Also worth mentioning is Barrymore was possibly the most striking looking Jekyll & Hyde

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 25 December 2021 00:11 (four months ago) link

So much that Graham Ingels based a character on that version of Hyde

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 25 December 2021 00:12 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Mentioned in a few posts back in September. Just watched the whole thing. Thanks for the recommendation, really well done.

Presenting the Fabulous Redettes Featuring James (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 05:31 (four months ago) link

Oh wait thought I was responding to a post in the pre-2005 thread about Woodlands Dark.

Presenting the Fabulous Redettes Featuring James (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 05:38 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

88 Films is releasing Pupi Avati's Zeder. I liked House Of Laughing Windows okay but I've always wanted this one. Hopefully Mysterious Enchanter won't be long away too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 February 2022 21:08 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Watched a muddy version of Spider Labyrinth on youtube, it's heavily inspired by Argento but with more monster stuff. It's okay but I wonder how much better it could look with a remaster, I used to think you could tell roughly how well a film is shot even in a shitty copy but I think I've been surprised before.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 11 April 2022 23:31 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Has anyone read this? I've never seen any of his films but the book sounds great

I'm cautiously interested in this but I fear it will spend more time on everything but the films

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:36 (three weeks ago) link

Didn't know this was coming back into print so have ordered, thanks for the tip.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say his films are not for you. The acting is rarely more than amateur, he makes some ridiculous shot choices repeatedly (my favourite is when he sets up a two shot on a table with a giant centrepiece which obscures at least one actor wherever he shoots from and he does in at least three films), weird bits of actual hardcore pornography, poorly realised gore or real animal abuse appear frequently and often not in service of any plot point. But...

He has a real charm that somehow gets under your skin. The movies are edited together haphazardly, but part of that is because scene length is based on whatever offcuts he could buy. And Vapors is genuinely good, I think.

Of his famous works, Fleshpots is a good start and then try his British films. There's a BFI Flipside twofer of Nightbirds and The Body Beneath that's fairly easy to get hold of. Then I guess you can take your choice after that.

Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 21:17 (three weeks ago) link

I'll probably try one someday, but not in a hurry.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 21:39 (three weeks ago) link

His real life is pretty fascinating though, so you might get a kick out of the book.

Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 21:41 (three weeks ago) link

I was okay with Zeder but Gabriele Lavia is super handsome, had only seen him in the Argento films I think. Maybe a little too sunny and prosaic?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 18:09 (one week ago) link

Finally got around to Tenderness Of Wolves, it's pretty good. In an extra Stephen Thrower talks about how strange the trajectory of Lommel's career has been, one of those directors who either straddles or goes back and forth between arthouse and more traditional exploitation films. Is Boogeyman worth a go?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 16 May 2022 23:10 (two days ago) link

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