ok lets all shit our pants to something old: pre-2006 horror film thread

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I know there are loads of old horror film threads but I wanted a more obvious one for regular discussion of whatever you have seen recently and for recent reissues of older films.

I'll talk again about some of the older films that I mentioned in the other thread. So I'm going to repeat myself a bit.

NIGHT OF THE DEVILS came out on DVD about a year ago and its by the director of Mill Of Stone Women. Early 70s, somewhere between old Bava and more modern gorey stuff. It's about a mostly abandoned forest town with wurdalak style vampires haunting it. I don't think it's a classic but it clearly deserves to emerge out of neglect/obscurity because before it got reissued it seems there was rarely any mention of it and I think it's a lot better than many other 70s Italian horror films. It has some really great images but on the downside it has two vampires dying a screaming death in a laughably unlikely fashion.

Last summer I watched on YouTube two of the 50s versions of GHOST OF YOTSUYA. The late 50s colour version was easily the better version and probably the most glaringly absent film of all the western DVD releases of classic Japanese horror films (such as Kwaidan, Onibaba, Kuroneko, Blind Beast, 60s version of Jigoku, Horrors Of Malformed Men, Lake Of Dracula, Matango, Hausu and Ugetsu). I'd say this was better than most of them actually. Great soundtrack, great ending scenes.
This really needs a proper release, I've heard that Miike's upcoming Over Your Dead Body is a variation on this story that has been filmed roughly ten times. Maybe that'll help this version come out but I wouldn't bet on it. Do you think emailing DVD labels would be worthwhile?

BOXER'S OMEN was another impressive recent viewing mostly for the sheer weirdness and colourful grotesque elements.

MORGIANA is kind of a basic murder mystery plot but it's made worthwhile by the visual styling, great dresses of the mostly female cast and good setting. I'd like to see more of Juraj Herz's horror films but there seems to be nothing available aside from Cremator.

MUMSY NANNY SONNY AND GIRLY was really funny in a way that might annoy a lot of people; it's kind of unique. I love how in America they called it GIRLY and advertised it like a sexploitation film.

Other things I saw not long ago was SISTERS and NIGHTMARE ALLEY, both very good but probably don't need as much introduction.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:36 (five years ago) link

Saw BLOOD ON SATAN'S CLAW on tv last night and I'm glad I didn't buy it, I find most British horror films of that era immensely overrated even though I love those gothic and rural visual styles more than anything. Redeeming features are the settings, the odd soundtrack and the lovely dancing naked girl at the end. I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:52 (five years ago) link

I sort of felt the same way about Witchfinder General, but eventually warmed up to the thing.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 13:56 (five years ago) link

Isn't Witchfinder General more anti-conservative? I've never seen the whole thing.

I think IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS deserves way more chat than it gets. It has some really major flaws but I think it's a lot more ambitious, effective and special in places than it ever gets credit for; probably same for Prince Of Darkness but to a lesser extent. Something that strikes me is how Carpenter has always been very pro-showthemonster but you only get a brief glimpse at what was clearly a bunch of monsters that had loads of work put into them. I've never been able to find out about the DVD extras of the film but I remember as a terrified child seeing on tv the special effects studio proudly showing off the monsters and I wonder if that clip is lost forever.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:05 (five years ago) link

Not about the conservative angle, just the Britishness of it.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 14:16 (five years ago) link

Which Sisters are you talking about? It's not obviously bringing anything to mind right now.

Morgiana/Mumsy Nanny/Nightmare Alley all top films. The latter I love a possibly inordinate amount. The former, yeah, it's all about the styling, I see it as high gothic meets Mucha meets late '60s/early '70s surrealism. But then I may be talking crap. I actually went to a costume party as Viktorie recently, though I'm not sure how well I pulled it off (or indeed if anyone knew who I was supposed to be).

Looked up Boxer's Omen - that has gone straight on my 'to watch' list.

emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:24 (five years ago) link

I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.

Not entirely sure what you mean - horror kind of revolves around attraction/repulsion towards what's on screen, but I don't think Brit rural folk horror is noticeably more repulsed by its pagan practices than it is attracted...

emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:27 (five years ago) link

DePalma's Sisters. A much better film than Scarface or Carrie I'd say.

I think the whole "conservative" horror and fantasy thing is not as easy to decide as some might say but it has been used repeatedly as a critique. Like Tolkien's orcs; pagans and vampires in films being defeated by puritans. Kim Newman talks about this a lot in his book NIGHTMARE MOVIES.

I think the conservative depiction of vampires accusation is harder to justify because it seems sensible to kill vampires who are destroying your families and are killing lots of people in the process. A vampires bloodlust overpowering their their empathy is a good enough explanation for me. The actions of those in Blood On Satan's Claw make sense inside the film, but there is a feeling among lots of critics that this comes from a unfair worldview, particularly when old Christian dudes are getting the violent victory at the end (but in BOSC the guy who kills the demon seems secular).

The depictions of pagans in particular. Like when Moorcock said that you can't really trust Tolkien to tell you that all orcs are pure evil.
I like Christopher Lee but I recall him in a recent interview talking about pagans as if they were a real threat in the modern world.

Ever since Clive Barkers era I think it's been frowned upon in some circles to depict humanoid monsters as unquestionably evil. Some people have accused Machen's "Great God Pan" being misogynist but I don't see that myself.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:03 (five years ago) link

hey just fyi this exists too:

sometimes I like to shit my pants oldschool: 1990-1999 horror film thread

Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:13 (five years ago) link

Yeah, but the pagans in The Wicker Man are unquestionably the bad guys, but you still side with them over Edward Woodward every time. They're obviously bad, but they're much much cooler and more interesting. So does that make it a conservative film or not?


emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:15 (five years ago) link

I'll never forget how as a child, having "good guys" win against monsters made no sense to me, I was horrified when I saw Dracula clumsily falling through cracking ice into freezing water. I think that was Dracula Prince Of Darkness.
Many years later even though my expectations were lower, I was still horrified by a Dracula who was supposed to be "powerful beyond your wildest imaginings" even more clumsily kills himself by getting tricked into walking into too many thorny bushes. That might have been Dracula AD1972.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:17 (five years ago) link

I've never been huge on Wicker Man, Woodward doesn't deserve his fate but he is annoying enough that his downfall is funny and satisfying rather than difficult to swallow.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:20 (five years ago) link

In the Mouth of Madness is really really great. Miles better than Prince of Darkness.

Sisters was one of Herrmann's last great film scores and it drives me crazy that it is only available on CD in a shitty sounding noise-reduced edition. Someday I'll buy the LP and make a rip of it.

I managed to download Michael (Witchfinder General) Reeves' The Sorcerers off the internet this weekend and am v v psyched to watch it.

Disappearing doorways department: I bookmarked a bunch of 70s british ITV horror items on Youtube a few weeks ago (particularly the Beasts series of short films) but when I went back to watch them the dude's account had been shut down.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

looooool @ the new DVD of "The Visitor" what an entertainingly bad movie

Damn I maybe should have called this thread "pre-2005" because "post-2005" probably includes everything in 2005? I'm sure it doesn't matter too much which thread includes 2005 films.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:49 (five years ago) link

I'm a huge fan of Nosferatu and the very beautiful Faust (aside from the prolonged romantic comedy section) but I've never tried another Murnau film despite years of opportunity and more complete versions of his other films which has risen their critical standing.
Any recommendations for Phantom or Haunted Castle?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:09 (five years ago) link

COFFIN JOE COLLECTION is a bargain even if most of the 9 films are very poor...

AT MIDNIGHT I WILL TAKE YOUR SOUL is okay, it has mainly short bursts of gusto and a freshness of approach about it.

The sequel THIS NIGHT I WILL POSSESS YOUR CORPSE is the only one I'd actually recommend and if you bought the collection for only this, it would be a fair price. There is some overly long boring scenes but it is totally unique and has lots of energy; a few good hysterical scenes with strange imagery, really crazy intro credits too. Sadly the film still has censored dialogue at the end to make it appear as if Coffin Joe repented for his sins.

These first two films also have a strange philosophy that adds a lot to their appeal; but sometimes I wonder if Marins has it all figured out or if he just makes it up to be whatever sounds cool at any given moment. Coffin Joe is supposed to be crazily sexist but the way his female victims fall in love with him so easily make the film's look sexist as a whole. The director and his character are a fascinating phenomenon sometimes (worth reading about how he was regarded in Brazil) but I don't know why the later films have such an imaginative decline.

Aside from the documentary all the other films are really challeningly dull slogs with brief moments of interest and oddity.
Awakening Of The Beast has funny little four legged monster with a tree sprouting from its back, some weird hallucinatory scenes similar to the second film and people with faces painted on their shaking buttocks. A later film has a man discreetly fingering a woman to help her look like she is crying at a funeral.
After sitting through them all, I understand why so few people bothered writing about the later films.

I'm curious about his newer film Embodiment Of Evil. Marins has a reputation for making risky scenes of women being terrorized by creepy crawlies and some people have said the women in this film look genuinely hysterical in a deeply worrying way. He had to take his wife to the hospital to get an insect out her ear as she was screaming that she thought it was inside her brain.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:05 (five years ago) link

There needs to be a proper Corman box set of his horror films. I'm reluctant to get a lot of them because a lot of them are underwhelming but they often have just enough going for them for me to crave more and I think they are better than the similar British films of that era.

THE UNDEAD (not seen it but the trailer has a stunning beauty in it)
MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH (should offend dwarves)
PIT AND THE PENDULUM (easily the best of the ones I've seen, good visuals and Barbara Steele)
TOMB OF LIGEIA (a bit dull)
THE TERROR (Karloff and Jack Nicholson, okay)
PREMATURE BURIAL (not seen it)
TALES OF TERROR (not seen it)
THE RAVEN (not seen it)
TOWER OF LONDON (really dull, not to be confused with Karloff film of same name)
HAUNTED PALACE (Lovecraft attempt with some nice visuals and gorgeous lady)

Not sure about comedies like A Bucket Of Blood and Little Shop Of Horrors. I always thought Oblong Box was by Corman but it isn't. Horror Hotel feels like one of them and I'm quite fond of that.

I'm amazed that Corman is still regularly producing films with titles just like he did in the 50s-60s. Anyone seen his newer films?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:47 (five years ago) link

Don't get people who are rooting against Sgt Howie in TWM. He may be a bit of a prude but how can you not feel for him? Even on a basic level of empathy for a guy who's clearly trying to do good while all around plot against him.

ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:53 (five years ago) link

I guess I could feel sorry for him but my excuse is that I saw that clip "Oh God!Oh Jesus Christ!" repeatedly (people link to it regularly on forums and blogs for comic effect) on tv horror film documentaries that had obnoxious spoilers. It is very funny in isolation.
I think those shows spoiled a lot of films and I hope future viewers can experience a lot of these films more freshly than I did. Luckily when I watched Spoorloos/Vanishing, I didn't realise I had previously seen the ending on a clip show until the film finished. That would have ruined it.
Those clip show bastards showed the endings to Suspiria, Nosferatu, Exorcist and Don't Look Now.

It is sad that books aren't more widely discussed but the big benefit is you can read most of the classics without knowing what happens in them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:07 (five years ago) link

Tears of Kali (2004, Andreas Marschall)
German flick about a fictional cult whose meditation methods unleash demons, sounds pretty great. Not great by any means, but intriguing and promising. Unusual ideas, ambitious storytelling and an omnibus structure that keeps things moving. Undercut by distinctly lacklustre cinema. A trial run for something better?

Naked Blood (1996, Hisayasu Sato)
Repeat viewing. An alienated young man invents a serum that causes people to experience pain as pleasure, tragedy ensuses. This film seems known only to hardcore gore & transgression buffs, but I think it's an amazing work of art. A justly notorious (though relatively brief) midfilm auto-cannibalism setpiece drastically limits its potential audience, but I strongly recommend Naked Blood to anyone who thinks they might be able to stomach the gore. Surreal, quietly anguished and strangely haunting. A longtime personal favorite that holds up remarkably well.

Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies (2001, Naoyuki Tomomatsu)
Repeat viewing. A mysterious disease causes young women between the ages of 15 and 17 to die and then return to life as mindless, bloodthirsty zombies. This cheerfully schlocky, superficially comical splatter movie uses its basic situation to tell a number of related (and in most cases overlapping) stories, with varying tone & emphasis. Beneath the goofy surface, however, lies a cryptic and rather disturbing commentary on Japanese schoolgirl fetishism. Sui generis and strangely heartfelt.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 06:05 (five years ago) link

I've seen a fair amount of talk about Naked Blood On this forum. I'm intrigued, I don't think I've even heard the name before.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:32 (five years ago) link

damn you aren't kidding that tears of kali SOUNDS great! I have to see that despite yr mixed rev.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:12 (five years ago) link

tears of kali is definitely worth a watch, and yeah, the concept had me sold from the get-go. the director's follow-up, masks, is much more assured & satisfying, if a good deal less original.

re naked blood: i genuinely love the move, but it's very hard to recommend. the worst moments (of which there are few) are REALLY nasty, like "some things you can't unsee" level unpleasantness. my sense is that the yuk factor unbalances and overshadows the rest of the film, to the point where even i have to admit that a threshold has been crossed. with that substantial caveat in mind, an amazing piece of work.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 18:54 (five years ago) link

I never go out of my way to seek or avoid violent sickie films; but I've heard a lot of complaints recently about such things and I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.
There are some things I don't like seeing but I can't think of anything that I thought shouldn't have been shown.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:32 (five years ago) link

i don't mean that naked blood becomes reprehensible as a result of its gore (well it does, but that doesn't bother me in itself). i mean that the nastier moments alter the film's overall tone substantially, perhaps to its artistic detriment. certainly limits the potential audience, which seems a shame.

... I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.

feel you, but i'm not sure that kind of thing should or even can be broken down all logical-like. we all have our limits, and gut-level emotional responses (DO NOT WANT!) are just as valid as more seemingly-coherent intellectual analyses.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:45 (five years ago) link

I just went to amazon and bought it there. 20pounds, a little bit too expensive but I'm very intrigued. I'll have to watch this when everyone else is asleep.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:47 (five years ago) link

A few more things I saw in recent times...

In the music section of this forum I've praised the soundtrack a lot (Libra includes a few Goblin members). When I watched the trailer for this film I decided to not bother with the film because the soundtrack by itself seemed so much more exciting.
But a few years later I got the chance to see it and it was way better than expected. This might even be one of Bava's very best films. A lot of his classic films stand on the strength of their visuals but this is better than most of them as a whole work. This is Bava adjusting to a new era of Italian horror film and he doesn't look remotely out of touch here.
The story is about a dead father who haunts his wife by possessing the body of his son.
Some really strange moments in this film, but really the soundtrack is still my favourite thing about it.

Some people rate this as one of the greatest Japanese horror films ever but it barely made much impression on me. It's made in the form of a documentary, with tv show clips and investigative journalism.

Aside from the appealingly smokey dark visuals and settings, this is yet another incredibly dull Bela Lugosi film with all the willingness and poor comic relief you'd expect.

Sluggish boredom and the expected racism. The lightning massacre at the end was kind of good but I could never recommend the film.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 21:59 (five years ago) link

It is weirdly sedate for a gore film, reminds me in some places of Death Powder. I can see how you might think the goriest parts spoil the sleepily surreal parts. The violence is important to the story, so the gore doesn't feel entirely misplaced; perhaps after being warned it didn't seem too bad to me. The naïve quality of the film was interesting.
Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?
There was an advert on the dvd for a film called Sexy Soccer, which looks like the laziest sexploitation film I've ever seen.

This film makes little attempt at being coherent but it has some good stuff in there. Steamy cyberpunk locations, hallucinatory scenes, a humorous music video, groups of scarred people. The version I saw was only partially subtitled.

This is really stiffly animated but it works well enough, the background art has some nice dreamy darkness about it. The first story is pleasingly monstrous, surprisingly scary with a pretty cool twist.
Umezu got a lot of his comics made into live action tv/film but I've never bothered with them apart from this.

This is from Sogo Ishii's quiet phase after his early punk films. An elegant soft black and white ghost story that is only borderline horror, really nice stuff. Ishii's frequent actor Tadanobu Asano stars.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 15:41 (five years ago) link

From the animation thread, but I properly linked this video because this thread isn't in threat of being overloaded with videos...

Nina Shorina's "Room Of Laughter" here. One of the best films I saw last year. A prime example of what animation can do for horror. If you have ten minutes to spare...


Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:00 (five years ago) link

Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:41 AM (Yesterday)

nearly all of hisayasu sato's other films are softcore sex pictures (though he did direct a memorable segment in 2005's rampo noir horror omnibus). i've downloaded a few of his pinku based on the recommendation of others, but have yet to watch any: survey map of a paradise lost, an aria on gazes and love - 0 = infinity. tbh, i don't know whether the somewhat artful titles here are original or replacements intended to help sell the films to more sensitive western audiences, and i don't really trust imdb on this. he's said to be a well respected director within his micro-genre, an experimental punk artist working at the furthest fringes of commercial cinema. i wouldn't know, and i'm not sure i want to further explore a filmography full of titles like lolita vibrator torture and horse woman dog. he did make a gay pink film called muscle, which sounds intriguing, but i haven't found a torrent.

personally, i see naked blood as an interesting and convincingly anguised peice of outsider art. the fact that the director apparently spent the bulk of his career making sleazy, violent, low budget pornography only adds to the nihilist resonance.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:13 (five years ago) link

and wow, death powder sounds great! thanks for the tip, will watch.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:18 (five years ago) link

Anyone been seeing these recent BFI disc releases? Stuff like M R James/Ghost Story For Christmas collection, Robin Redbreast, Gaslight, Sleepwalker, Dead Of Night, Supernatural and Schalcken The Painter?

Most of this appears to be old British tv shows, I'm sceptical but I've seen some extremely positive reviews for them. I've seen one or two of the M R James episodes and they were fine. I read Le Fanu's Schalcken The Painter recently and I am curious how they'd pull it off for screen.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:14 (five years ago) link

A word of warning: the complete Karloff's Thriller is packaged and blurbed like a pure horror show but really only something like 10 episodes of the 67 are horror; it was really a noir/crime/mystery show. Quite a few people said it was better than Twilight Zone and Outer Limits but I never saw much of them.
It was decent but I never sustained enough interest to watch the whole thing. A lot of the acting is a bit sloppy. The highlights for me were a haunted house story with Rip Torn; a Bloch story about a mirror or glasses that let you see monstrous "true" forms of people; best was a Derleth story with Karloff as a weird pale lethargic scientist covered in cobwebs. But none of this was really enough to justify getting the boxed set.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:37 (five years ago) link

I super dug the three episodes I watched before it was taken off Netflix. Also: tons of fuckin money ass goldsmith scores on those.

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:39 (five years ago) link

The theme tune was great.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:54 (five years ago) link

100 bloody acres now streaming on us at least netflix

ohhhh lorde 2pac big please mansplain to this sucker (jjjusten), Friday, 2 May 2014 02:11 (five years ago) link

The Watson/Webber version of Fall Of House Of Usher. I'd say it was among the best silent horror films. Only 12 minutes...

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 May 2014 23:09 (five years ago) link

Any opinions on the 1974 version of Dracula? I guess it's about to be reissued, and Varese Sarabande just issued the soundtrack by Bob Cobert-- I listened to it on spotify today and it's great stuff in the hammer romantic-menace vein (but better recorded than most of the hammer music).

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Friday, 2 May 2014 23:33 (five years ago) link

Who was playing that Dracula, it doesn't sound familiar.

Anyone saw Mimic directors cut? Del Toro said he was pleased because he didn't have to disown the film anymore. But I'm still kind of reluctant because unlike Barker's Nighbreed, I never got the sense that it could have been something special if left alone (admittedly based on the opinions of people who saw it before it was butchered). I guess The Keep is another film that people are still hoping for a directors cut.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 May 2014 23:29 (five years ago) link

Just watched my new copy of IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS (not a good copy, I think it's Korean, it has way too small a screen size), I hadn't seen it in maybe more than 10 years and it holds up less well than I had imagined.
The light metal music in the intro/outro doesn't set the tone very well. I remembered the film being cheesy with the appearance of the evil writer and the clichéd scary children but I didn't remember the goofy humour at all, with all those wisecracks.
I used to be freaked out by Sam Neill laughing in the cinema but I guess there was nothing wrong with that part, I'm just older. I kept thinking Neill didn't care that much about his performance or maybe he thought this was going to be closer to a horror comedy than it really was. It's unbelievable and funny how he makes a map from the book covers.

What is still quite effective is the disordered reality scenes almost like Jacob's Ladder, a lot of the driving scenes with the tunnels, dark roads and the cyclist; I liked the creatures (especially the main tunnel scene that is very similar to Lovecraft's "At The Mountains Of Madness") and the church interior too.

2 taglines: "Lived any good books lately?" and "Reality isn't what it used to be".

I have really strong memories of being very young and even terrified of this films existence, trying to avoid looking at pictures of it. As a young teen finding it pretty scary too.

It isn't great but I don't know why it rarely gets mentioned for quite a long time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:38 (five years ago) link

One of my favourite sites heavily recommended an obscurity called Atrapados that sounded really great...

Now he linked to vimeo where the director has uploaded the film...
I hope I can watch it soon if my internet speed gets fixed.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:50 (five years ago) link

I'd watch a Keep director's cut out of curiosity, but the film is perfect as is

lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:46 (five years ago) link

I think the reason it has never had a DVD release is possibly the difficulty of finally putting together the directors cut. Not sure what is stopping Nightbreed.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:51 (five years ago) link


I got an unexpected amount of pleasure seeing a musclebound hero who is also a convincing, likable everyman (for lack of a better word). Not a fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger, I don't mind Stallone but I could do with more big muscle guys who seem approachable in films. Don't think I've seen a film with The Rock in it but he seems nice.

I'm very familiar with the majority of Carpenter's films but for some reason I had never heard of They Live until a few years ago.

Great funny long fight scene. The thing I liked least is the very forced sounding wise cracks and cheesy lines.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:26 (five years ago) link

Been looking around for Jean Rollin DVDs and some are prominently labelled for being uncut but I don't think any of his films have been censored for decades have they? He seems way too tame to be censored into the DVD age.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:22 (five years ago) link

Are the Dr Phibes films worthwhile?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:18 (five years ago) link

I had passed on The Hunger and Paul Schrader's version of Cat People many times because I never bought the hype, they didn't sound interesting to me. I lump them together as very 80s sexy horror films that were very modern and cool for their time, I guess Near Dark might even fit in there. But I finally watched both this weekend and I'm glad I did.

Cat People feels like a radical new interpretation possibly more based on the source short story than the original film (?), I have to agree with the camp that prefers this to the Lewton film (I think there were better Lewton films), there were so many aspects I don't recall in the older film. Kinski was really sweet in this.

The Hunger was a real surprise. I don't have much experience with Tony Scott but I was never remotely attracted to most of his output that I know of (I have heard he has done lesser known great stuff); so I was amazed that this is one of the most visually impressive and stylish films I've ever seen; really beautiful at times. A lot of old makeup jobs look terrible but the makeup for aging Bowie was very impressive. This is the type of surprise that makes me think that sometimes I should listen to hype when I'm reluctant.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 01:58 (five years ago) link

first doctor phibes is fun, not great, but a nice period piece, great production design. second is a wash.

dig both the hunger and shrader's cat people remake, moreso the former. other than that and true romance, though, i've never had much use for tony scott.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Sunday, 18 May 2014 04:16 (five years ago) link

This might be kind of silly but Angel Witch's Dr Phibes tune made me think "wow, maybe if that film inspired such great music maybe the film is great too".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 12:30 (five years ago) link

I'm watching Exorcist III *for the first time* and am thoroughly enjoying myself.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 8 June 2019 01:54 (three months ago) link


american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 June 2019 02:21 (three months ago) link

Finished the documentary about Island Of Doctor Moreau. I think that even if Richard Stanley had been kept on, there's a good chance Brando and Kilmer would have destroyed it anyway. It's a good warning about casting egomaniacs who might not get behind a film.

It doesn't really let you know quite how much Stanley has done afterwards, even if most of it is short films and scripts. I never finished Hardware because towards the last third it seemed really drawn out. I should see the directors cut of Dust Devil before Color Out Of Space comes out possibly the end of this year (Nicolas Cage too). Hope Stanley gets things back on track but I wonder if he has all the potential fans credit him with.

He's also got a segment in Theatre Bizarre which I've wary about because reviews were quite negative and Clark Ashton Smith was somehow uncredited.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 June 2019 14:50 (three months ago) link

I love the bit where he reveals he managed to get on screen in the end.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Saturday, 8 June 2019 20:02 (three months ago) link

If you haven't seen The Otherworld, I highly recommend it (even if it does make clear he's more of a space case than you already thought).

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Saturday, 8 June 2019 20:04 (three months ago) link

Thanks. Someone else told me his other mystic doc White Darkness was their favorite. I wouldn't have guessed they'd be the stronger ones.

Kind of regret getting rid of my Hardware dvd because it had a bunch of short films I should have given a chance.

I could listen to his voice for quite a while.

Fields Of Nephilim really were a perfect fit for him.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 June 2019 20:19 (three months ago) link

read through a bunch of this thread recently, and was transported to moment from middle school when Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 was on cable at a sleepover. as i remember it, it was a piece of shit. am i remembering properly?

also all the early talk of In the Mouth of Madness. love that movie, for the same reason that a lot of others love it— the long driving sequences, the dread that hangs over everything, even the sort of jokey parts.

didn't catch it above, but has anybody watched Deadbeat at Dawn, the Jim Van Bebber film that's on Shudder? i was obsessed with The Manson Family and My Sweet Satan when i was in college, as well as the preview for the never-made CHUNK BLOWER, but man, Deadbeat at Dawn is some really despicable shit. i liked it, particularly as a portrayal of rust belt desperation and depravity, but christ.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 10 June 2019 01:51 (three months ago) link

y'all next of kin totally blew my mind. i watched it twice in a row

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:15 (three months ago) link

immediately one of my favorite movies of all time

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:15 (three months ago) link

also all the early talk of In the Mouth of Madness. love that movie, for the same reason that a lot of others love it— the long driving sequences, the dread that hangs over everything, even the sort of jokey parts.

I hadn't really considered it before but it's kinda admirable what a nice balance ITMOM strikes between Carpenter's arch & goofy satirical side and his 'OMG the world is basically entirely fucking over now' side.

Fiat Earther (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:42 (three months ago) link

Brad, where'd you see it?

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 20:10 (three months ago) link

Glad you liked it Brad. Another thing I liked about it was how much tension they got out of the cube stacking scene.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 June 2019 18:50 (three months ago) link

Brad, where'd you see it?

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, June 11, 2019 1:10 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a new blu ray of it just came out, i took a chance

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 18:55 (three months ago) link

Glad you liked it Brad. Another thing I liked about it was how much tension they got out of the cube stacking scene.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, June 14, 2019 11:50 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the last thirty minutes were all incredible, ratcheting tension executed very simply and quietly. it also made me think of a lot of other horror movies i love, it's like they mashed up let's scare jessica to death and the haunting and messiah of evil and probably a few giallo films i haven't seen and next of kin came out. but i also love that it never releases itself completely into senselessness or dreaminess, it's a balancing act of "is this really happening? it's really happening" to the very end

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 19:00 (three months ago) link

They were also very wise in deleting the scenes they did.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 June 2019 19:16 (three months ago) link

Man, someone help me out. When I saw the name Next of Kin it made me think of some gloomy family drama/thriller from the '80s, about a son facing off against his mother's abusive boyfriend? Sort of in the moody vein of At Close Range. So I Google Next of Kin and I get some 1989 Patrick Swayze movie. Obviously it's not that one, I think, and then it comes to mind that maybe the movie I was thinking of was called Youngblood, so I googled that, and it's some Rob Lowe movie that *also* happens to feature Patrick Swayze. About hockey? Anyway, it's not that one either, but can anybody think of what movie I am thinking of? About a rebellious son in the C Thomas Howell mold who faces off against a stepfather or something?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 June 2019 20:25 (three months ago) link

It's odd that the preview for Next of Kin made me think of Bava's "Twitch of the Death Nerve/Bay of Blood." Maybe it's the wheelchair? All I know is that I fucking *adore* that Bava film and will watch anything remotely resembling it.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 14 June 2019 20:33 (three months ago) link

for a while i was thinking you were talking about that Patrick Swayze hicks vs. mobsters movie

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:38 (three months ago) link

The Stepfather? This Boy's Life?


Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:45 (three months ago) link

btw damn brad, you mentioning Messiah of Evil definitely makes me want to check out this, non-Swayze version of Next of Kin

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:53 (three months ago) link

xpost No, it wasn't either of them. It was def. a grim '80s movie, very sullen C. Thomas Howell or Kevin Dillon in a sleeveless sweatshirt sort of flick.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:56 (three months ago) link

i'd put it up there with any ambiguous atmospheric '70s horror i love, whether messiah of evil, let's scare jessica to death, deathdream... it's that deep, that impressive xp

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:56 (three months ago) link

and also: oh god, it's actually scary

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:59 (three months ago) link

also love Deathdream *fist bump*

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 17:14 (three months ago) link

yes!!! it's incredible

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 17:19 (three months ago) link

Watched Dust Devil directors cut half way through, disc condition made it unwatchable any further on, previous owner must have been an animal. Not buying this again until a bluray comes out.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:12 (two months ago) link

I watched madhouse
Pretty strong
Let's scare Jessica to death was even more amazing tho

surm, Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:28 (two months ago) link

Is that the Vincent Price one where he has a painted face?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 June 2019 16:43 (two months ago) link

I actually didn't even know about that madhouse! This one is 1981 about a troubled woman with a disfigured sister

surm, Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:24 (two months ago) link

I've never actually seen it but he looks cool in the photos.

Saw the trailer for the second American Horror Project box. I think I'll give this one a miss, just too expensive for what might be good but not really enough of my favored type.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:42 (two months ago) link

Next of Kin now on Shudder...

And I will say, it had me on tenterhooks from about 30 minutes in to the end. Not as gory as I was expecting, which was a nice surprise.

Great soundtrack, too!

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 01:27 (two months ago) link

i rewatched next of kin AGAIN just bc it was on shudder, what a perfect movie

shudder really killed it with this recent crop of titles they just added

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:22 (two months ago) link

Some other things from the interview I didn't mention. Director says he hadn't seen The Shining at the time, was mostly inspired by Bertolucci (maybe mentioned Antonioni?), kept mentioning "Italian style" but didn't seem to be talking about Italian horror at all, I don't think he was particularly a horror fan, but he just did a horror film because the opportunity was there to make a film.

He said the script was on a deadline and he thought it could have been so much better. This ties into him saying that tight deadlines and quantity over quality are a big part of what killed the Australian film industry.

I'd add Tony Williams to list of directors I wish had directed a ton more, like Richard Blackburn (Lemora) and Juan López Moctezuma (Alucarda).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:13 (two months ago) link

damn thank you for that info!

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:18 (two months ago) link

Machete Maidens Unleashed - I'm slightly disappointed by this but still enjoyed it well enough. Problem is how much of this is about Corman's productions and was in the Corman documentary (admittedly a year later) and covered extensively elsewhere.
Exploitation of Filipino crews could have been handled more sensitively, although some interviewees are laughing more in disbelief than anything else about it. John Landis is the only person to call any of it racist. Was glad to see some films with more homegrown Filipino cast and crew, several of them interviewed.
Oddly enough, Landis spends most of his interview deflating the films discussed and the claims made about them.

Bought this, Not Quite Hollywood and the Cannon documentary on Umbrella bluray and for the extras I mostly stuck to the interview footage.
Machete Maidens Unleashed extended interviews are perhaps as good as anything in the film, Marlene Clark (if I remember correctly, sorry if I got the wrong actress) recounts a particularly horrible filming experience and Chris Mitchum's experiences filming in korea sound like action movie plots.
In the Not Quite Hollywood extras, I was pleased to see there is indeed an extended interview with critic Bob Ellis, in which he does have some nice things to say and unlike you might expect (being unfamiliar with him as I was), he totally hates Peter Weir (he explains why) and has some hate to give other art films.

Razorback - Yes, it is stylish, quite punishing towards the good guys but I'm slightly hesitant to recommend that much. Could have used a better script and there's a bit too much cutting around at the end. Bonus extended scenes are even more gory. Another Umbrella bluray with extensive extras.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:08 (two months ago) link

Really hope Mark Hartley keeps making these documentaries. Don't know how far he could take it or if he'd be willing to go into other languages because I didn't know how much more mileage you could get from widely English speaking territories. India next, please?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:16 (two months ago) link

Watched Russian witch/folktale movie VIY on Shudder and loved it — not sure I understand it entirely but visually noteworthy/memorable and pretty well dubbed. Amazing sets/design etc. Would recommend if you haven’t already seen it and like those colorized photos of Russian village people from the 19th c + folk horror

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:20 (two months ago) link

I LOVE the last 15-20 minutes but not so sure about the rest. Not sure why there aren't more films like that, a lot of bigger budget Russian films look way cheaper somehow.
I assume you talking about the 60s version and not the one with cgi and Charles Dance?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:31 (two months ago) link

Yes the 60s one. I enjoyed the whole thing! There were goofy parts but generally I liked the effects & the last 20 min were definitely O_O wowee

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 30 June 2019 19:40 (two months ago) link

Actually I'd forgotten how much crossover there is between Machete Maidens and Corman's World but Mark Hartley is the better doc maker imo.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Monday, 1 July 2019 12:35 (two months ago) link

During the Dante/Arkush interviews I was wondering if some of this was the same footage.

the last 20 min were definitely O_O wowee
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera)

Now that I think about it, those really are some of my favorite film scenes.

Talking about Viy reminds me that I really should be chasing up more of that stuff. Russico label is quite helpful and it's not unusual for Czech releases to come with English subtitles.

I got the Jack Zipes book Enchanted Screen but I'm quite daunted by how big it is (or how small the type is), I'll probably read the europe chapter first.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 July 2019 14:23 (two months ago) link

I thought Corman's World was quite good but the main thing that stands out for me is the Jack Nicholson interview, because I don't think I've ever seen him interviewed and he cries!

Both docs have Pam Grier for a confusingly short time.

The more I watch about Corman and the Cannon duo, the more confused I am about how their love of films was balanced with their love of money. All these guys were said to take more than their fair share. I guess if you're doing it for that many years, sometimes you love money more.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 July 2019 14:44 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Savage Hunt Of King Stach - Another soviet film from Ruscico label.

I'm going to spoil something but it's difficult to talk about without spoiling this 1979 gothic horror (based on a novel) where the supernatural is gradually explained away, I really dislike that kind of thing but the director (as seen in dvd interview) is very insistent about wanting to make a film about explaining the ghosts away. I respect that he had a bit more ambition than a typical Scooby Doo ending but it's still hard for me not to be disappointed because the legends and atmosphere are pretty enticing, nice ominous ambient music.

It's set in an isolated mansion in vast marshes called Marsh Firs. A visitor probes into the legends of the family who lives there. The architecture/interior design is lovely and the cameraman knows where to stand to enhance it's qualities.

Really doesn't feel like many gothic films I've seen before and it's told in a way that is refreshing because it doesn't go through so many of the familiar British/American/Italian motions. With a few pushes in this and that direction, it could have been a real classic. The idea of a king riding around acres of marshes and forests with his soldiers for hundreds of years to kill off a large trapped family is really cool and I'd like to see this potential realized in some form. But as it stands, I still like it quite a bit.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 July 2019 18:17 (two months ago) link

Heads up: Let's Scare Jessica to Death finally coming to Blu-ray via Scream Factory.

Story Of The Voyages/Tale of Wanderings - 1983 Russian/Czech/Romanian fantasy.

In a medieval setting, a small boy is stolen from his sister because he is a living gold detector (he feels great pain whenever gold is close to him). The sister searches for him with the help of a travelling doctor/philosopher.

Early on there's a dragon embedded in one of the regions they travel, so it just looks like rocky terrain with a dragon's spinal spikes popping out. You do see its head and tail, and it looks okay-ish, a big rubbery monster blowing fire, but the scene with it blowing fire at the boats on the raging waves works.

This suffers from way too much light comedy, would have been much better without the humor. But the cuteness of Tatyana Aksyuta (sweetheart of early 80s Russia) is profound.

Not easy to find on disc but I was lucky to find a copy, I think there's two different editions of it with English subtitles.
Despite the availability of screenshots and clips of these kind of films, I feel like sometimes I'm trying to tell people about a dream I had. There's hardly ever a good trailer and maybe someday I should get the tools to make trailers and good screenshots.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 27 July 2019 14:19 (one month ago) link

Oh, wait, this is where people are talking about Next of Kin. Yeah, it was good! Not scary but super atmospheric, and with some inspired camera stuff. And great score! Very Carpenter meets Popul Vuh.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 July 2019 19:16 (one month ago) link

Another two Russian fairy tale films. Snow Queen from the 60s is a bit disappointing, kind of garish in the way they too often are (I've always felt this about Wizard Of Oz).
I cant tell if Black Hen from the early 80s is made for children because it's quite stylized and quite bleak, much better than the above.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:09 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...


Most of these are new to me.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 September 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

their insta is a must follow: https://www.instagram.com/deadlypreygallery/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 8 September 2019 16:27 (one week ago) link


Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 September 2019 18:22 (one week ago) link

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