ok lets all shit our pants to something old: pre-2006 horror film thread

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

I know there are loads of old horror film threads but I wanted a more obvious one for regular discussion of whatever you have seen recently and for recent reissues of older films.

I'll talk again about some of the older films that I mentioned in the other thread. So I'm going to repeat myself a bit.

NIGHT OF THE DEVILS came out on DVD about a year ago and its by the director of Mill Of Stone Women. Early 70s, somewhere between old Bava and more modern gorey stuff. It's about a mostly abandoned forest town with wurdalak style vampires haunting it. I don't think it's a classic but it clearly deserves to emerge out of neglect/obscurity because before it got reissued it seems there was rarely any mention of it and I think it's a lot better than many other 70s Italian horror films. It has some really great images but on the downside it has two vampires dying a screaming death in a laughably unlikely fashion.

Last summer I watched on YouTube two of the 50s versions of GHOST OF YOTSUYA. The late 50s colour version was easily the better version and probably the most glaringly absent film of all the western DVD releases of classic Japanese horror films (such as Kwaidan, Onibaba, Kuroneko, Blind Beast, 60s version of Jigoku, Horrors Of Malformed Men, Lake Of Dracula, Matango, Hausu and Ugetsu). I'd say this was better than most of them actually. Great soundtrack, great ending scenes.
This really needs a proper release, I've heard that Miike's upcoming Over Your Dead Body is a variation on this story that has been filmed roughly ten times. Maybe that'll help this version come out but I wouldn't bet on it. Do you think emailing DVD labels would be worthwhile?

BOXER'S OMEN was another impressive recent viewing mostly for the sheer weirdness and colourful grotesque elements.

MORGIANA is kind of a basic murder mystery plot but it's made worthwhile by the visual styling, great dresses of the mostly female cast and good setting. I'd like to see more of Juraj Herz's horror films but there seems to be nothing available aside from Cremator.

MUMSY NANNY SONNY AND GIRLY was really funny in a way that might annoy a lot of people; it's kind of unique. I love how in America they called it GIRLY and advertised it like a sexploitation film.

Other things I saw not long ago was SISTERS and NIGHTMARE ALLEY, both very good but probably don't need as much introduction.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:36 (five years ago) link

Saw BLOOD ON SATAN'S CLAW on tv last night and I'm glad I didn't buy it, I find most British horror films of that era immensely overrated even though I love those gothic and rural visual styles more than anything. Redeeming features are the settings, the odd soundtrack and the lovely dancing naked girl at the end. I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:52 (five years ago) link

I sort of felt the same way about Witchfinder General, but eventually warmed up to the thing.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 13:56 (five years ago) link

Isn't Witchfinder General more anti-conservative? I've never seen the whole thing.

I think IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS deserves way more chat than it gets. It has some really major flaws but I think it's a lot more ambitious, effective and special in places than it ever gets credit for; probably same for Prince Of Darkness but to a lesser extent. Something that strikes me is how Carpenter has always been very pro-showthemonster but you only get a brief glimpse at what was clearly a bunch of monsters that had loads of work put into them. I've never been able to find out about the DVD extras of the film but I remember as a terrified child seeing on tv the special effects studio proudly showing off the monsters and I wonder if that clip is lost forever.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:05 (five years ago) link

Not about the conservative angle, just the Britishness of it.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 14:16 (five years ago) link

Which Sisters are you talking about? It's not obviously bringing anything to mind right now.

Morgiana/Mumsy Nanny/Nightmare Alley all top films. The latter I love a possibly inordinate amount. The former, yeah, it's all about the styling, I see it as high gothic meets Mucha meets late '60s/early '70s surrealism. But then I may be talking crap. I actually went to a costume party as Viktorie recently, though I'm not sure how well I pulled it off (or indeed if anyone knew who I was supposed to be).

Looked up Boxer's Omen - that has gone straight on my 'to watch' list.

emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:24 (five years ago) link

I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.

Not entirely sure what you mean - horror kind of revolves around attraction/repulsion towards what's on screen, but I don't think Brit rural folk horror is noticeably more repulsed by its pagan practices than it is attracted...

emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:27 (five years ago) link

DePalma's Sisters. A much better film than Scarface or Carrie I'd say.

I think the whole "conservative" horror and fantasy thing is not as easy to decide as some might say but it has been used repeatedly as a critique. Like Tolkien's orcs; pagans and vampires in films being defeated by puritans. Kim Newman talks about this a lot in his book NIGHTMARE MOVIES.

I think the conservative depiction of vampires accusation is harder to justify because it seems sensible to kill vampires who are destroying your families and are killing lots of people in the process. A vampires bloodlust overpowering their their empathy is a good enough explanation for me. The actions of those in Blood On Satan's Claw make sense inside the film, but there is a feeling among lots of critics that this comes from a unfair worldview, particularly when old Christian dudes are getting the violent victory at the end (but in BOSC the guy who kills the demon seems secular).

The depictions of pagans in particular. Like when Moorcock said that you can't really trust Tolkien to tell you that all orcs are pure evil.
I like Christopher Lee but I recall him in a recent interview talking about pagans as if they were a real threat in the modern world.

Ever since Clive Barkers era I think it's been frowned upon in some circles to depict humanoid monsters as unquestionably evil. Some people have accused Machen's "Great God Pan" being misogynist but I don't see that myself.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:03 (five years ago) link

hey just fyi this exists too:

sometimes I like to shit my pants oldschool: 1990-1999 horror film thread

Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:13 (five years ago) link

Yeah, but the pagans in The Wicker Man are unquestionably the bad guys, but you still side with them over Edward Woodward every time. They're obviously bad, but they're much much cooler and more interesting. So does that make it a conservative film or not?


emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:15 (five years ago) link

I'll never forget how as a child, having "good guys" win against monsters made no sense to me, I was horrified when I saw Dracula clumsily falling through cracking ice into freezing water. I think that was Dracula Prince Of Darkness.
Many years later even though my expectations were lower, I was still horrified by a Dracula who was supposed to be "powerful beyond your wildest imaginings" even more clumsily kills himself by getting tricked into walking into too many thorny bushes. That might have been Dracula AD1972.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:17 (five years ago) link

I've never been huge on Wicker Man, Woodward doesn't deserve his fate but he is annoying enough that his downfall is funny and satisfying rather than difficult to swallow.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:20 (five years ago) link

In the Mouth of Madness is really really great. Miles better than Prince of Darkness.

Sisters was one of Herrmann's last great film scores and it drives me crazy that it is only available on CD in a shitty sounding noise-reduced edition. Someday I'll buy the LP and make a rip of it.

I managed to download Michael (Witchfinder General) Reeves' The Sorcerers off the internet this weekend and am v v psyched to watch it.

Disappearing doorways department: I bookmarked a bunch of 70s british ITV horror items on Youtube a few weeks ago (particularly the Beasts series of short films) but when I went back to watch them the dude's account had been shut down.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

looooool @ the new DVD of "The Visitor" what an entertainingly bad movie

Damn I maybe should have called this thread "pre-2005" because "post-2005" probably includes everything in 2005? I'm sure it doesn't matter too much which thread includes 2005 films.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:49 (five years ago) link

I'm a huge fan of Nosferatu and the very beautiful Faust (aside from the prolonged romantic comedy section) but I've never tried another Murnau film despite years of opportunity and more complete versions of his other films which has risen their critical standing.
Any recommendations for Phantom or Haunted Castle?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:09 (five years ago) link

COFFIN JOE COLLECTION is a bargain even if most of the 9 films are very poor...

AT MIDNIGHT I WILL TAKE YOUR SOUL is okay, it has mainly short bursts of gusto and a freshness of approach about it.

The sequel THIS NIGHT I WILL POSSESS YOUR CORPSE is the only one I'd actually recommend and if you bought the collection for only this, it would be a fair price. There is some overly long boring scenes but it is totally unique and has lots of energy; a few good hysterical scenes with strange imagery, really crazy intro credits too. Sadly the film still has censored dialogue at the end to make it appear as if Coffin Joe repented for his sins.

These first two films also have a strange philosophy that adds a lot to their appeal; but sometimes I wonder if Marins has it all figured out or if he just makes it up to be whatever sounds cool at any given moment. Coffin Joe is supposed to be crazily sexist but the way his female victims fall in love with him so easily make the film's look sexist as a whole. The director and his character are a fascinating phenomenon sometimes (worth reading about how he was regarded in Brazil) but I don't know why the later films have such an imaginative decline.

Aside from the documentary all the other films are really challeningly dull slogs with brief moments of interest and oddity.
Awakening Of The Beast has funny little four legged monster with a tree sprouting from its back, some weird hallucinatory scenes similar to the second film and people with faces painted on their shaking buttocks. A later film has a man discreetly fingering a woman to help her look like she is crying at a funeral.
After sitting through them all, I understand why so few people bothered writing about the later films.

I'm curious about his newer film Embodiment Of Evil. Marins has a reputation for making risky scenes of women being terrorized by creepy crawlies and some people have said the women in this film look genuinely hysterical in a deeply worrying way. He had to take his wife to the hospital to get an insect out her ear as she was screaming that she thought it was inside her brain.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:05 (five years ago) link

There needs to be a proper Corman box set of his horror films. I'm reluctant to get a lot of them because a lot of them are underwhelming but they often have just enough going for them for me to crave more and I think they are better than the similar British films of that era.

THE UNDEAD (not seen it but the trailer has a stunning beauty in it)
MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH (should offend dwarves)
PIT AND THE PENDULUM (easily the best of the ones I've seen, good visuals and Barbara Steele)
TOMB OF LIGEIA (a bit dull)
THE TERROR (Karloff and Jack Nicholson, okay)
PREMATURE BURIAL (not seen it)
TALES OF TERROR (not seen it)
THE RAVEN (not seen it)
TOWER OF LONDON (really dull, not to be confused with Karloff film of same name)
HAUNTED PALACE (Lovecraft attempt with some nice visuals and gorgeous lady)

Not sure about comedies like A Bucket Of Blood and Little Shop Of Horrors. I always thought Oblong Box was by Corman but it isn't. Horror Hotel feels like one of them and I'm quite fond of that.

I'm amazed that Corman is still regularly producing films with titles just like he did in the 50s-60s. Anyone seen his newer films?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:47 (five years ago) link

Don't get people who are rooting against Sgt Howie in TWM. He may be a bit of a prude but how can you not feel for him? Even on a basic level of empathy for a guy who's clearly trying to do good while all around plot against him.

ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:53 (five years ago) link

I guess I could feel sorry for him but my excuse is that I saw that clip "Oh God!Oh Jesus Christ!" repeatedly (people link to it regularly on forums and blogs for comic effect) on tv horror film documentaries that had obnoxious spoilers. It is very funny in isolation.
I think those shows spoiled a lot of films and I hope future viewers can experience a lot of these films more freshly than I did. Luckily when I watched Spoorloos/Vanishing, I didn't realise I had previously seen the ending on a clip show until the film finished. That would have ruined it.
Those clip show bastards showed the endings to Suspiria, Nosferatu, Exorcist and Don't Look Now.

It is sad that books aren't more widely discussed but the big benefit is you can read most of the classics without knowing what happens in them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:07 (five years ago) link

Tears of Kali (2004, Andreas Marschall)
German flick about a fictional cult whose meditation methods unleash demons, sounds pretty great. Not great by any means, but intriguing and promising. Unusual ideas, ambitious storytelling and an omnibus structure that keeps things moving. Undercut by distinctly lacklustre cinema. A trial run for something better?

Naked Blood (1996, Hisayasu Sato)
Repeat viewing. An alienated young man invents a serum that causes people to experience pain as pleasure, tragedy ensuses. This film seems known only to hardcore gore & transgression buffs, but I think it's an amazing work of art. A justly notorious (though relatively brief) midfilm auto-cannibalism setpiece drastically limits its potential audience, but I strongly recommend Naked Blood to anyone who thinks they might be able to stomach the gore. Surreal, quietly anguished and strangely haunting. A longtime personal favorite that holds up remarkably well.

Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies (2001, Naoyuki Tomomatsu)
Repeat viewing. A mysterious disease causes young women between the ages of 15 and 17 to die and then return to life as mindless, bloodthirsty zombies. This cheerfully schlocky, superficially comical splatter movie uses its basic situation to tell a number of related (and in most cases overlapping) stories, with varying tone & emphasis. Beneath the goofy surface, however, lies a cryptic and rather disturbing commentary on Japanese schoolgirl fetishism. Sui generis and strangely heartfelt.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 06:05 (five years ago) link

I've seen a fair amount of talk about Naked Blood On this forum. I'm intrigued, I don't think I've even heard the name before.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:32 (five years ago) link

damn you aren't kidding that tears of kali SOUNDS great! I have to see that despite yr mixed rev.

hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:12 (five years ago) link

tears of kali is definitely worth a watch, and yeah, the concept had me sold from the get-go. the director's follow-up, masks, is much more assured & satisfying, if a good deal less original.

re naked blood: i genuinely love the move, but it's very hard to recommend. the worst moments (of which there are few) are REALLY nasty, like "some things you can't unsee" level unpleasantness. my sense is that the yuk factor unbalances and overshadows the rest of the film, to the point where even i have to admit that a threshold has been crossed. with that substantial caveat in mind, an amazing piece of work.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 18:54 (five years ago) link

I never go out of my way to seek or avoid violent sickie films; but I've heard a lot of complaints recently about such things and I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.
There are some things I don't like seeing but I can't think of anything that I thought shouldn't have been shown.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:32 (five years ago) link

i don't mean that naked blood becomes reprehensible as a result of its gore (well it does, but that doesn't bother me in itself). i mean that the nastier moments alter the film's overall tone substantially, perhaps to its artistic detriment. certainly limits the potential audience, which seems a shame.

... I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.

feel you, but i'm not sure that kind of thing should or even can be broken down all logical-like. we all have our limits, and gut-level emotional responses (DO NOT WANT!) are just as valid as more seemingly-coherent intellectual analyses.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:45 (five years ago) link

I just went to amazon and bought it there. 20pounds, a little bit too expensive but I'm very intrigued. I'll have to watch this when everyone else is asleep.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:47 (five years ago) link

A few more things I saw in recent times...

In the music section of this forum I've praised the soundtrack a lot (Libra includes a few Goblin members). When I watched the trailer for this film I decided to not bother with the film because the soundtrack by itself seemed so much more exciting.
But a few years later I got the chance to see it and it was way better than expected. This might even be one of Bava's very best films. A lot of his classic films stand on the strength of their visuals but this is better than most of them as a whole work. This is Bava adjusting to a new era of Italian horror film and he doesn't look remotely out of touch here.
The story is about a dead father who haunts his wife by possessing the body of his son.
Some really strange moments in this film, but really the soundtrack is still my favourite thing about it.

Some people rate this as one of the greatest Japanese horror films ever but it barely made much impression on me. It's made in the form of a documentary, with tv show clips and investigative journalism.

Aside from the appealingly smokey dark visuals and settings, this is yet another incredibly dull Bela Lugosi film with all the willingness and poor comic relief you'd expect.

Sluggish boredom and the expected racism. The lightning massacre at the end was kind of good but I could never recommend the film.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 21:59 (five years ago) link

It is weirdly sedate for a gore film, reminds me in some places of Death Powder. I can see how you might think the goriest parts spoil the sleepily surreal parts. The violence is important to the story, so the gore doesn't feel entirely misplaced; perhaps after being warned it didn't seem too bad to me. The naïve quality of the film was interesting.
Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?
There was an advert on the dvd for a film called Sexy Soccer, which looks like the laziest sexploitation film I've ever seen.

This film makes little attempt at being coherent but it has some good stuff in there. Steamy cyberpunk locations, hallucinatory scenes, a humorous music video, groups of scarred people. The version I saw was only partially subtitled.

This is really stiffly animated but it works well enough, the background art has some nice dreamy darkness about it. The first story is pleasingly monstrous, surprisingly scary with a pretty cool twist.
Umezu got a lot of his comics made into live action tv/film but I've never bothered with them apart from this.

This is from Sogo Ishii's quiet phase after his early punk films. An elegant soft black and white ghost story that is only borderline horror, really nice stuff. Ishii's frequent actor Tadanobu Asano stars.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 15:41 (five years ago) link

From the animation thread, but I properly linked this video because this thread isn't in threat of being overloaded with videos...

Nina Shorina's "Room Of Laughter" here. One of the best films I saw last year. A prime example of what animation can do for horror. If you have ten minutes to spare...


Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:00 (five years ago) link

Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:41 AM (Yesterday)

nearly all of hisayasu sato's other films are softcore sex pictures (though he did direct a memorable segment in 2005's rampo noir horror omnibus). i've downloaded a few of his pinku based on the recommendation of others, but have yet to watch any: survey map of a paradise lost, an aria on gazes and love - 0 = infinity. tbh, i don't know whether the somewhat artful titles here are original or replacements intended to help sell the films to more sensitive western audiences, and i don't really trust imdb on this. he's said to be a well respected director within his micro-genre, an experimental punk artist working at the furthest fringes of commercial cinema. i wouldn't know, and i'm not sure i want to further explore a filmography full of titles like lolita vibrator torture and horse woman dog. he did make a gay pink film called muscle, which sounds intriguing, but i haven't found a torrent.

personally, i see naked blood as an interesting and convincingly anguised peice of outsider art. the fact that the director apparently spent the bulk of his career making sleazy, violent, low budget pornography only adds to the nihilist resonance.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:13 (five years ago) link

and wow, death powder sounds great! thanks for the tip, will watch.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:18 (five years ago) link

Anyone been seeing these recent BFI disc releases? Stuff like M R James/Ghost Story For Christmas collection, Robin Redbreast, Gaslight, Sleepwalker, Dead Of Night, Supernatural and Schalcken The Painter?

Most of this appears to be old British tv shows, I'm sceptical but I've seen some extremely positive reviews for them. I've seen one or two of the M R James episodes and they were fine. I read Le Fanu's Schalcken The Painter recently and I am curious how they'd pull it off for screen.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:14 (five years ago) link

A word of warning: the complete Karloff's Thriller is packaged and blurbed like a pure horror show but really only something like 10 episodes of the 67 are horror; it was really a noir/crime/mystery show. Quite a few people said it was better than Twilight Zone and Outer Limits but I never saw much of them.
It was decent but I never sustained enough interest to watch the whole thing. A lot of the acting is a bit sloppy. The highlights for me were a haunted house story with Rip Torn; a Bloch story about a mirror or glasses that let you see monstrous "true" forms of people; best was a Derleth story with Karloff as a weird pale lethargic scientist covered in cobwebs. But none of this was really enough to justify getting the boxed set.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:37 (five years ago) link

I super dug the three episodes I watched before it was taken off Netflix. Also: tons of fuckin money ass goldsmith scores on those.

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:39 (five years ago) link

The theme tune was great.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:54 (five years ago) link

100 bloody acres now streaming on us at least netflix

ohhhh lorde 2pac big please mansplain to this sucker (jjjusten), Friday, 2 May 2014 02:11 (five years ago) link

The Watson/Webber version of Fall Of House Of Usher. I'd say it was among the best silent horror films. Only 12 minutes...

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 May 2014 23:09 (five years ago) link

Any opinions on the 1974 version of Dracula? I guess it's about to be reissued, and Varese Sarabande just issued the soundtrack by Bob Cobert-- I listened to it on spotify today and it's great stuff in the hammer romantic-menace vein (but better recorded than most of the hammer music).

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Friday, 2 May 2014 23:33 (five years ago) link

Who was playing that Dracula, it doesn't sound familiar.

Anyone saw Mimic directors cut? Del Toro said he was pleased because he didn't have to disown the film anymore. But I'm still kind of reluctant because unlike Barker's Nighbreed, I never got the sense that it could have been something special if left alone (admittedly based on the opinions of people who saw it before it was butchered). I guess The Keep is another film that people are still hoping for a directors cut.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 May 2014 23:29 (five years ago) link

Just watched my new copy of IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS (not a good copy, I think it's Korean, it has way too small a screen size), I hadn't seen it in maybe more than 10 years and it holds up less well than I had imagined.
The light metal music in the intro/outro doesn't set the tone very well. I remembered the film being cheesy with the appearance of the evil writer and the clichéd scary children but I didn't remember the goofy humour at all, with all those wisecracks.
I used to be freaked out by Sam Neill laughing in the cinema but I guess there was nothing wrong with that part, I'm just older. I kept thinking Neill didn't care that much about his performance or maybe he thought this was going to be closer to a horror comedy than it really was. It's unbelievable and funny how he makes a map from the book covers.

What is still quite effective is the disordered reality scenes almost like Jacob's Ladder, a lot of the driving scenes with the tunnels, dark roads and the cyclist; I liked the creatures (especially the main tunnel scene that is very similar to Lovecraft's "At The Mountains Of Madness") and the church interior too.

2 taglines: "Lived any good books lately?" and "Reality isn't what it used to be".

I have really strong memories of being very young and even terrified of this films existence, trying to avoid looking at pictures of it. As a young teen finding it pretty scary too.

It isn't great but I don't know why it rarely gets mentioned for quite a long time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:38 (five years ago) link

One of my favourite sites heavily recommended an obscurity called Atrapados that sounded really great...

Now he linked to vimeo where the director has uploaded the film...
I hope I can watch it soon if my internet speed gets fixed.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:50 (five years ago) link

I'd watch a Keep director's cut out of curiosity, but the film is perfect as is

lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:46 (five years ago) link

I think the reason it has never had a DVD release is possibly the difficulty of finally putting together the directors cut. Not sure what is stopping Nightbreed.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:51 (five years ago) link


I got an unexpected amount of pleasure seeing a musclebound hero who is also a convincing, likable everyman (for lack of a better word). Not a fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger, I don't mind Stallone but I could do with more big muscle guys who seem approachable in films. Don't think I've seen a film with The Rock in it but he seems nice.

I'm very familiar with the majority of Carpenter's films but for some reason I had never heard of They Live until a few years ago.

Great funny long fight scene. The thing I liked least is the very forced sounding wise cracks and cheesy lines.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:26 (five years ago) link

Been looking around for Jean Rollin DVDs and some are prominently labelled for being uncut but I don't think any of his films have been censored for decades have they? He seems way too tame to be censored into the DVD age.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:22 (five years ago) link

Are the Dr Phibes films worthwhile?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:18 (five years ago) link

I had passed on The Hunger and Paul Schrader's version of Cat People many times because I never bought the hype, they didn't sound interesting to me. I lump them together as very 80s sexy horror films that were very modern and cool for their time, I guess Near Dark might even fit in there. But I finally watched both this weekend and I'm glad I did.

Cat People feels like a radical new interpretation possibly more based on the source short story than the original film (?), I have to agree with the camp that prefers this to the Lewton film (I think there were better Lewton films), there were so many aspects I don't recall in the older film. Kinski was really sweet in this.

The Hunger was a real surprise. I don't have much experience with Tony Scott but I was never remotely attracted to most of his output that I know of (I have heard he has done lesser known great stuff); so I was amazed that this is one of the most visually impressive and stylish films I've ever seen; really beautiful at times. A lot of old makeup jobs look terrible but the makeup for aging Bowie was very impressive. This is the type of surprise that makes me think that sometimes I should listen to hype when I'm reluctant.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 01:58 (five years ago) link

first doctor phibes is fun, not great, but a nice period piece, great production design. second is a wash.

dig both the hunger and shrader's cat people remake, moreso the former. other than that and true romance, though, i've never had much use for tony scott.

katsu kittens (contenderizer), Sunday, 18 May 2014 04:16 (five years ago) link

This might be kind of silly but Angel Witch's Dr Phibes tune made me think "wow, maybe if that film inspired such great music maybe the film is great too".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 12:30 (five years ago) link

oh which you probably knew lol

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 18 October 2019 19:37 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I heard it played on a bad movie night and there is a compilation of that actor moving his eyebrows about.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2019 19:56 (four months ago) link

There's a lot more going on in "Digital Love" than the George Duke sample. There's not a ton going on in "Harder" that doesn't come from Birdsong.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Friday, 18 October 2019 19:58 (four months ago) link

Oops, wrong thread

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Friday, 18 October 2019 19:58 (four months ago) link

Pumpkinhead (Winston, 1988) pic.twitter.com/k88jWGRpwS

— K I N O D A S E I N (@cinexistenz) October 16, 2019

Not a great film but worth seeing, the witch's home is the best thing in it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 October 2019 16:05 (four months ago) link

Been watching Schlocktober videos, wish he did more of that instead of the big current films. Recent one has brief clip of unauthorized Mortal Kombat film.

Akira Kurosawa script

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 20 October 2019 19:12 (three months ago) link

Saw the Wicker Man on the big screen at the weekend and it was such a bad print, a very obvious jump cut during Willow's Song and the scene with Willow washing the table outside of the pub was nigh unwatchable. I watched the same cut a couple of months ago on bluray and it was fine, so I don't know why this one was so bad.

So, your CV says you're a (checks notes) DJ and stand-up comedian (aldo), Monday, 21 October 2019 09:01 (three months ago) link

it's part of the fun of seeing film projections - you don't know if it'll be complete, or it'll be washed out pink, or a foreign print. i've learned to "enjoy" the gamble

Nhex, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:21 (three months ago) link

i am watching new nightmare right now and YOU'RE ALL WRONG IT'S GREAT

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:04 (three months ago) link

I have this thing where I like to leave 'treats' for myself, films I figure I'm likely to enjoy but hold off on seeing so that I always have classics I can visit for the first time. So last night, I finally took on The Howling! And it was pretty much everything I could have possibly wanted from a werewolf movie directed by Joe Dante. It's rare that a movie so perfectly meets my expectations and still manages to surprise me. Did Dante and Landis consult with one another while making their respective were-films? It's weird that two such innovative films of the genre were released pretty much in parallel.

And what was up with werewolves in 1981, anyway? No fewer than five lycanthrocentric films were released that year (Howling, American Werewolf, Wolfen, and Full Moon High, as well as Naschy's Night of the Werewolf original release in Spain).

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:14 (three months ago) link

it is odd that we go through cycles of key horror things. Vampires, werewolves, zombies... i guess at the moment the key creepy in the theaters is, um, society?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:41 (three months ago) link

they're all different ways of talking about the same horror -- US!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:44 (three months ago) link

On the same site as that Kurosawa screenplay review is new reviews of similar dream project screenplays by Shane Carruth and Coppola.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 October 2019 17:51 (three months ago) link

Attack Of The Super Monsters looks hilarious

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 26 October 2019 15:30 (three months ago) link

Ah ffs, I just reviewed 11 80s and one 90s horror films for yis and somehow the post got lost. I ain't typing it all again but btw they were all GREAT.

Except Chopping Mall. Chopping Mall was just fine.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:05 (three months ago) link

THE NEW KIDS (not horror I know, this was addressed in original post, it involves a multitude of text and Tom Atkins)

ALL GREAT (I addressed my issues with THE HOWLING at length in OG post basically ffs no one gave me a trigger warning for parts of it, but HEY DICK MILLER, I guess it's GREAT)

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:14 (three months ago) link

Sorry, should be 10-2 80s-90s not 11-1, I forgot Bad Channels is 90s cos it's so quintessentially 80s

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:18 (three months ago) link

oh yeah, I forgot my main point:

And what was up with werewolves in 1981, anyway? No fewer than five lycanthrocentric films were released that year (Howling, American Werewolf, Wolfen, and Full Moon High, as well as Naschy's Night of the Werewolf original release in Spain)


Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:23 (three months ago) link

Actually you said "lycanthrocentric"... hmmm... NO, STILL NOT ACCEPTING THIS

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:24 (three months ago) link

Been wondering whether to take a chance on some things I've always passed up because the trailers weren't interesting enough. Like The Beast Within, Boogeyman and Madhouse (the version with the dog). Or a lot of other things that Arrow released that might only be as good as The Slayer (not that great).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 26 October 2019 23:10 (three months ago) link


Monsters look cool but I'm not sure Orochi: Eight Headed Dragon will be worth tracking down. Anyone here seen it?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 October 2019 15:38 (three months ago) link

Demoness From Thousand Years - Joey Wong starring time travel fantasy with bits of romantic comedy, not enough sword fighting, punching or kicking to be considered a martial arts film.
I was hoping this would be more along the lines of Zu Warriors From The Magic Mountain but only the few fight scenes in a cave 1000 years ago are like that (and they do look quite good), the rest is mostly fish out of water and cop/gangsters comedy set in the 90s, occasionally a bit funny from what I could make out.
There's only a couple of hong kong disc versions with slightly murky letterbox picture and the subtitles are poor. I wondered why this was obscure and now I know why this is unlikely to be remastered any time soon. Disappointing.

Mister Designer - I sometimes saw this on Russian horror film lists, favorably reviewed too. It's good, based on an Alexander Grin story, definitely worth seeing, (appropriately) well designed, Sergei Kuryokhin soundtrack is really good (I might try to find this on CD, or something else by him, he seems famous in Russian avant garde music); not a masterpiece (though surely a hidden gem), there's some rough edges...BUT, I've never seen another film so deeply into the whole decadent/symbolist/gothic milieu (it's set in 1914 and a lot of the expected artwork is shown onscreen, Odilon Redon in particular) and if you like that sort of thing, you'll probably enjoy this. Above all, it is beautifully designed.
If there is justice, pretentious aesthetes everywhere will titter at their friends who haven't seen or heard of it.
Check out the screens.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 October 2019 21:41 (three months ago) link

cause you're a COOOOOOOOL DUDE!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:24 (three months ago) link

(from the 1987 slasher pic Berzerker)

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:24 (three months ago) link

I bet Parker & Stone have seen every film like that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:12 (three months ago) link

i really like that video and have found myself mumbling ur a cooooooool dude got your bs in social psy today

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:07 (three months ago) link

tales from the crypt: demon knight is an AWESOME movie

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:49 (three months ago) link

Eve Of Ivan Kupalo - Based on a Gogol fairy tale. I could only see this in a crappy version on youtube subtitled in French but it is still quite striking at times with the sense of design, rapid cuts that shift characters across the screen in different positions, that weird crowing laugh of the old man played several times, characters tilting on the ground and it may be partly the poor quality of the version I seen, but I was wondering how on earth they achieved the scene of the woman darting around the forest.

Anyone know about Church Of Film? It moves around a few locations in Portland, and from the youtube

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 November 2019 15:52 (three months ago) link

Agggh, I hadn't finished!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 November 2019 15:53 (three months ago) link

Muriel Lucas's youtube channel has such an incredible array of obscurities that I'd love to see. As much as I like all sorts of cult films, I've never considered myself much of a cineaste or cinema goer, but I'd feel very lucky to be near enough to regular showings like this and I'm sure I would actually go to see them. Any of you been to them?


This trailer proves there is a superior print of the film.

Check out the selection of trailers on the channel, it's incredible.

Here's a trailer for Mister Designer

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:06 (three months ago) link

I got the Lost Soul documentary bluray for the extra interviews and it was worth it. Comes across even more how incessant Stanley is when he talks and how much he had thought about absolutely everything; seems to regret not taking a chance on Judge Dredd though there were was already serious script problems to deal with. Barbara Steele (in audio only) says she was at a disturbing dinner party with Frankenheimer but stops there.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:20 (three months ago) link

Have you seen The Otherworld? Peak Stanley.

Stoked there's talk of it being a Lovecraft trilogy after the reception Colour out of Space has got.

So, your CV says you're a (checks notes) DJ and stand-up comedian (aldo), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:16 (three months ago) link

Last week I passed up the chance to meet Luigi Cozzi because his wife was really vague about when he was coming into the shop other than "5, maybe half past" and it wasn't 3 yet. (And I didn't think making my wife hang about for hours to watch me shake the hand of a guy she'd barely heard of would win me many brownie points.)

So, your CV says you're a (checks notes) DJ and stand-up comedian (aldo), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:20 (three months ago) link

I've got The Otherworld and White Darkness on my wishlist.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:08 (three months ago) link

Barbara Steele (in audio only) says she was at a disturbing dinner party with Frankenheimer but stops there.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:20 PM

I should add that she had more to say about him and there was no implication that he was the disturbing part of that dinner.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:09 (three months ago) link

"A Woman Sobbing" episode of Dead Of Night -
I'm fairly sure this is a riff on Gilman's "Yellow Wallpaper"; Gaslight is referenced a few times. Intelligent script and very 70s.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 16:53 (two months ago) link

george romero's season of the witch aka hungry wives is on shudder and is nearly as brilliant as martin imo, check it out

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:42 (two months ago) link

Uh...how the hell is Romero's Season of the Witch not more of a thing?!? I always thought it looked/sounded intersting but I'm shocked to discover that this obscure thing is one of his very best films. Certainly one of the best acted. Only caveat wrt this particular thread is that it's barely horror, but big thumbs up.

― Dethloaf LLC (Old Lunch), Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:29 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink


american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:42 (two months ago) link

omg i LOVE that one
my favorite non-Dead old Romero!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:42 (two months ago) link

Nighbreed (director's cut) - So strange to see Cronenberg as a proper main character in a film but I like him in this role. Noting the LGBT theme, I wonder if this was a sort of callback to Michael Caine Dressed To Kill?
I liked it okay but it runs into that problem of lots of science fiction tv shows and creature filled b-movies do: there's often an unimpressive lumpy face look to piled on prosthetics; still preferable to cgi.

The Inferno / Hell / Jigoku (1979) - Another bizarrely underseen old Japanese horror film; and Kumashiro is one of the most important Japanese directors of his time who somehow hasn't travelled abroad like his peers.
This is far better than the 1960 Nakagawa version (which has some great scenes but a bit boring overall) and the 1999 Teruo Ishii version (declining director on shoestring budget), by quite some distance. Far more ambitious, more stages to it and more serious.
This time it's about a girl reliving her mother's life, possibly possessed by her. Nearly everyone in the film goes to hell. Much more sex than the other films.

I particularly liked it when the daughter looks down into hell at her mother. Lots of nice mountain scenery. Uses similar effects to the Nakagawa film in the hell scenes, but bigger demons.
But how does Shima die in the basement? She was left there for a short time.
Hako Yamasaki contributes some songs which make the film seem several years older than it is.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 December 2019 19:17 (two months ago) link

Didn’t know extended nightbreed had happened

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 8 December 2019 23:21 (two months ago) link

I actually hadn't seen the theatrical version. Also new to me was that Barker intended this to be the first part of a franchise, but since he never wrote any prose sequels I'm guessing it would have been just like his comics lines and Hellraiser film sequels: probably for extra income and to give his buddies work.
The cop rubbing his lips against a choking wire was funny.

Still cant wrap my head around why so many good Japanese horror films from 50s-80s don't get English releases. A very strange blind spot for horror film fans, of all places. The Inferno is growing on me in the days after seeing it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 13 December 2019 20:32 (two months ago) link

I loved Nightbreed when I was a kid - I had the game for the spectrum! And the later, flawed Amiga game.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:34 (two months ago) link

Kali project is news to me, could have been interesting, probably a bit awful.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:20 (two months ago) link

I want to see all these, best channel!

Feather Fairy, Millennial Bee and Snow Queen (1986)

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 21 December 2019 17:26 (one month ago) link

getting midsommar vibes off the snow queen there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 21 December 2019 21:07 (one month ago) link


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 December 2019 00:44 (one month ago) link


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 December 2019 00:44 (one month ago) link

"Iconic" is a very overrated quality but I really don't think the 80s beats the 30s for that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 00:05 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Muriel Lucas's channel has been deleted for repeated nudity/sex violations. This is extremely shit and a bit suspicious, I don't recall anything that could have got her banned and youtube tends to be more tolerant of nudity/sex in the context of old films.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 2 February 2020 00:59 (two weeks ago) link

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.