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What should i beware of if i sign up? (to occupy, not host)

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:52 (six years ago) link

Utter classic, the future of holidaying

imago, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:25 (six years ago) link

classic imo. i've only used it once, we rented an awesome little bungalow in austin for a week. i had a great experience.

website is better designed and more usable than competitors (e.g. vrbo, where searching was a fucking pain in the ass and i had to browse luxury listings alongside the budget stuff i was looking for)

beware that different hosts have varying levels of requirements. the lady i rented from was super laid back and relaxed about everything, but some other places i looked into required an entire lease agreement and all sorts of tenant requirements and house rules

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:30 (six years ago) link

airbnb had some feature where i could browse listings (filtered by any criteria i wanted, e.g. price, amenities, etc) alongside a city map so i could see exactly where the rental was located, it made finding a place in the neighborhood we wanted to stay in really easy

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:32 (six years ago) link

and imago otm, honestly i kind of feel like i will never stay in a hotel again for a vacation. like in austin i rented it during a conference and for $100 less per night than the conference hotel we had a whole house, backyard, kitchen, living room, etc., and stayed in a great fucking neighborhood

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:34 (six years ago) link

classic... affordable and you get much better accommodations than if you were to stay in a hotel

chinavision!, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:36 (six years ago) link

maybe sometimes there's an expectation to socialize and 'get to know interesting people' that I don't really enjoy, but you can always just grab keys say thanks and shut the door.

chinavision!, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:40 (six years ago) link

classic. a. and i used it to book a private cabin at a hilltop retreat with a well-water pool outside. we could have stayed at a boring days inn or something for the same price. we're using it again for our seattle visit; it's cheaper than the conference rate at the hotel and we'll have our own apartment.

mary-kate and ashley's roachclip (get bent), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:41 (six years ago) link

ive used them a bunch of times and its always been great, way cheaper than a hotel would be and often in better neighborhoods

no war but glass war (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:28 (six years ago) link

unbearable, why am i leaving the comfort of my home if not for a corporately-monogrammed robe, what is this

mustread guy (schlump), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:56 (six years ago) link

but no, great, i'd imagine the only thing you'd be wary of is clarifying that it's as kinda free-standing/domestically un-assimilated as you prefer?

mustread guy (schlump), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:57 (six years ago) link

got it, thx guys

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:00 (six years ago) link

fine, as long as they are fairly assessed and pay the same occupancy/transient/etc. taxes that hotels have to pay to the cities they do business in

sarahell, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:02 (six years ago) link

living next to an unregulated hotel room is kind of a drag, especially if there is any kind of shared or communal space. the og intent--monetize that spare bedroom!--makes perfect sense but enabling ppl to rent a mess of apartments and then airbnb em out to randos is kinda problematic imo

adam, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:05 (six years ago) link

airbnb owns, especially if you have kids tbh

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:07 (six years ago) link

yea, with a small child i could not imagine a vacation in which we are all in one shared room without a kitchen

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:11 (six years ago) link

I will only be investigating unshared spaces, going solo.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:29 (six years ago) link

we stayed at a lovely place in islington when we took a vacation to london. location was great, the host had provided alot of amenities and guide books.. even power converters. was also way more attractive price than some wack ass hotel in a bad location.

people should take advantage before the business model gets destroyed by litigation and the big hotel companies. no way they will stand to let these guys host people without regulation, insurance, etc.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:25 (six years ago) link

I stayed in the St Pancras clock tower on my birthday, total surprise. Place was fucking awesome so I am firmly in the 'classic' camp.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:31 (six years ago) link

Lookin at this for nyc in september good to hear all the posi experiences

treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:05 (six years ago) link

ok! looked for a air bnb thread a couple of weeks ago and didn't see anything. nice to hear folks are having good experiences. looking forward to using for trips to NOLA and Vancouver in the near future.

condo associations are people my friend (will), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:12 (six years ago) link

airbnb allows me to explore my fantasy of living in various craftsman bungalows throughout the central and western US

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:15 (six years ago) link

I find it essential for Paris... the equivalent airbnb for a basic hotel room is significantly higher in quality and location.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:18 (six years ago) link

Used it in NYC and it was p amazing for hardly any money

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 21:44 (six years ago) link

Classic based on my Chicago trip last year.

If I had hands and you had a neck (WilliamC), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 22:39 (six years ago) link

Had a good exp in DC, one-bedroom more than big enough for lil ol' me. She left beers in the fridge I didn't even have time to drink.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:58 (six years ago) link

I'm down with this whole idea but I don't like the idea of turning up in a strange city and the house owner suddenly being absent for some reason. I'm assuming there's some protection for instances of this happening but at least with a hotel there's a sense of security.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:33 (six years ago) link

i don't like the thought of the house owner being anywhere near me tbh

fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:39 (six years ago) link

classic - we stayed in a converted garage two blocks from santa monica beach for way way way less than a hotel in the same area. owner lived in the main house but left us alone, place wasn't fancy but had a full kitchen, a large-ish bedroom and living room area that could be partitioned by a heavy curtain, and owner allowed us to bring our dog for no extra fee.

just1n3, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:46 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm keen to try this but really really don't want to have to even see/socialize/talk to owners

I have friends who host and they are fully into the taking their guests around and showing them the city, hanging out etc and i'm just like nooooooooooooo thank you

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 18:57 (five years ago) link

you can look for the hands-off situations, i never met my host.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 18:58 (five years ago) link

accidentally airbnb'd in a hippie cult sex drug compound recently

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:03 (five years ago) link

I didn't get much sleep due to didgeridoo

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:05 (five years ago) link

uh oh I'm having to recount the entire affair, please

imago, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

uh that's offputting

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:07 (five years ago) link

it's a really funny story but was a huge inconvenience at the time, I'll prob post abt it on 77 at some point

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:08 (five years ago) link

it was prob worse than what a stereotypical bad sketch comedy bit on airbnb would be

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:09 (five years ago) link

sorry to speak all cryptically, just wanted to say that I have had great experiences w/ airbnb but I now know that it's possible to accidentally book a hippie cult sex drug compound

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:11 (five years ago) link

Used it again this weekend to book a place in Austin. Great experience, as always.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:15 (five years ago) link

please tell story on 77 xp

marcos, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:16 (five years ago) link

there's at least one airbnb place on every block near my house, in a city with a hugely depleted stock of rental properties and already-skyrocketing rents and ten million billion hotel rooms. i find this problematic.

adam, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:30 (five years ago) link

I just booked a big farmhouse in NH for a week. The rate is so cheap I'm wondering if there might be a (n unpleasant) surprise awaiting our arrival. THe owner seems super chill and didn't have any problem with the fact that our party will include 8+ kids. should i be concerned?

tobo73, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:20 (five years ago) link

I'm keen to try this but really really don't want to have to even see/socialize/talk to owners

I have never socialised (or even had the opportunity to socialise) with a host. Sometimes you meet them at check-in/out, sometimes you don't see them at all.

popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:36 (five years ago) link

the whole airbnb thing just seems like a big ugly mess just waiting to happen... like an ideal scenario for unsavory people to take advantage of others.

Darin, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:53 (five years ago) link

that's what they said about christianity, maaaan

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:03 (five years ago) link


james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:03 (five years ago) link

yep, proceed with caution, as always.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:11 (five years ago) link

Problem with Airbnb is that people can be unwilling to write bad reviews or point out bad parts of a trip if they've gotten to know the owner

I know that when you review you can tell the owner stuff in private

But who knows if the owners ever actually act on it

, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 23:48 (five years ago) link

"after they left" should be "after they returned"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 March 2018 13:59 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Booked 4 nights in London for my wife in July, just had an email to say that the flat isn't available on the first night and if we're ok for just the other 3 nights. As she and her sisters have booked air and planes not really so asked for her to cancel so we can get a refund.

Haven't heard back from her, so looking to cancel using the 'my host needs to cancel' option. It says it'll refund it minus the service fee of nearly £60. I haven't submitted it yet, but are we going to be £60 out of pocket through no fault of our own? Or will the fee be refunded when the landlord responds?

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:26 (one year ago) link

Get in touch with Airbnb direct and tell them the situation, should cancel without fee (that's been my experience)

I'm Finn thanks, don't mention it (fionnland), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:32 (one year ago) link

I'll give her until tomorrow morning and if I don't hear anything will get in touch with Airbnb.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:43 (one year ago) link

Got my refund, but she wanted me to cancel at first which I guess would have penalised me.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 08:07 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

To what level are you experiencing price inflation? Going to go back to look at previous airbnbs stayed in and from even a year ago the change is eye-watering, some are double the price, some as much as 300% higher. Only place that seems to have relatively unchanged prices is Sarajevo

cherry blossom, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 04:59 (ten months ago) link

What is your native currency?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 05:10 (ten months ago) link

So one of my neighbours has taken it upon herself to rent out her flat on Airbnb, not to mention and various others. Since it's a shared block (in London) we now have constant noise and disruption, plus lots of mail going missing where it's been left by the postie on the table downstairs - parcels, bank cards etc. So fuck you, Airbnb. Hotels need licenses for a reason.

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 08:47 (ten months ago) link

If hotels weren't so prohibitively expensive, I'd be on board with Airbnb-bashing, but as it stands, I would have no way of travelling otherwise.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 08:51 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

Update 11/1/19: The morning after this article was published, the FBI contacted VICE about the claims made above.

Book Doula (sleeve), Friday, 1 November 2019 19:36 (five months ago) link

oh yeah! that article was amazing!!

sarahell, Friday, 1 November 2019 19:40 (five months ago) link

Massive dud from the POV of someone who lived in tourist town. Jacked up rents and depleted the already-small apartment/condo stock. I had to battle for a spot in laundry room with maids washing sheets and rugs every day. Ruined the community vibe of complexes. Forced me to leave the lil village I liked and move 20 miles away where the unintended side effects from this shit aren't an issue. Yet.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:00 (five months ago) link

that was a really great article. I used airbnb the first couple of years it started and still look at listings every so often when traveling but it turned into such a hassle with bad owners, complicated key hand offs, cancellations, excessive cleaning fees/deposits.

I rented out a second bedroom in my old house about a dozen times and all guests were totally fine but I eventually just completely lost interest in hosting. I do recall one 60-70ish yr old Turkish guy who stayed with me, he was in town to "see nyc" and his wife sent some turkish bowls and turkish delight to bring as gifts for me. I noticed he was around a lot. Like all the time. Eventually he had to tell me he was really there because his son had been arrested for credit card theft and he was going to MCC (correction center) in the day to try to visit or coordinate a time to wave from outside. I think he felt a lot better after he told me. He ended up cooking me crazy dinners (like steak cooked in heavy cream???) and I would drink whiskey with him. We watched the Macys thanksgiving parade together and then I drove him to the airport.

And now we are married.

Yerac, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:08 (five months ago) link

maybe everyone else is just terrible at airbnb but we never have anything other than excellent experiences

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:16 (five months ago) link

the key is a lengthy multiple-hour vetting process and an open mind about one's destination town

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:17 (five months ago) link

Helps if you know how to cook steak with heavy cream

Evan, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:20 (five months ago) link

lol Yerac.

I haven't used it in forever but it's always worth a chuckle to see the top line price compared with the bottom line whenever I do get curious (and then immediately book a hotel which is easier, more trustworthy and cheaper).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:22 (five months ago) link

Before I swore off it I used airbnb maybe a ten times over the years and literally every time something super sketchy happened. Got pretty much one of each category of bad experience - hosts cancelling last minute leaving me stranded, disgusting places that were obvious scam/flophouses, scary hosts or fellow-renters, hosts trying to squeeze me for extra money, etc. I only ever used it travelling to big cities and each time the cost always seemed to be within 5% of nearby hotels anyway, which made it easy to decide it wasnt worth the hassle anymore.

The last straw was the lady who seemed normal over email & text, then upon my arrival tried to make it a condition of my stay that I have my phone on airplane mode when on the property at all times to protect her from "electric waves". After the 2nd time she woke me up in the night by banging on the door to remind me about the electric waves rule I split.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:34 (five months ago) link

cook her a steak before I left though obv, just good manners

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:35 (five months ago) link

I think I've only successfully used this service a few times. Once in London, and the place was a bit shittier than I expected and in retrospect since work was paying for it I wish I'd just gotten a hotel, but I was trying to save them money. Once in Brooklyn and the place was excellent, zero problems. Once in Italy, and it turned out to actually be a hotel that was taking bookings through ABNB; there were some issues but we worked them out. The last place was the worst, it was in upstate NY, and their cancellation terms were not laid out well or well communicated, we had to cancel a whole month out and they still charged me about $200 and there was nothing I could do about it.

akm, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:59 (five months ago) link

So far we've have exclusively good experiences.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:11 (five months ago) link

how many hours of scanning per place booked do you employ

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:20 (five months ago) link

I've had a combo of good and bad experiences, airbnb are terrible at dealing with bad experiences/refunding money and you end up with a vindictive review from the shitty host that stays on your profile. Also yeah it destroys the rental market in lots of cities (good luck renting an apartment in shitty, boring, small city Edinburgh for anything like what it's worth to be living there for instance)

ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:22 (five months ago) link

Not that I travel much, but I boycott the fuck out of airbnb -- it contributes to gentrification, homelessness, and it is set up to avoid paying the taxes many cities impose on hotels that pay for civic services. If I was a San Francisco resident, I would be FP-ing the fuck out of everyone on this thread that is an unrepentant AirBnB user/host. ... I live across the water, so I am just gonna shake my head and resent y'all and this fucked up company.

sarahell, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:23 (five months ago) link

Sedona AZ passed a law that banned short term rentals...but it was overturned by the Republican-dominated state legislature. Turns out Republicans here don't actually give a shit about "govt that's closest to the ppl" or whatever their spiel is when they want states to have the power to overrule fed laws.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:27 (five months ago) link

we no longer like airbnb, just bc of a couple of not-great experiences plus just the general "we disrupt, you fuck off" vibe of this company, and just so many rental places getting flipped once people move out, being turned into airbnb spots. it's happening all over the city and of course a lot of other big and not-big cities, too.

omar little, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:28 (five months ago) link

I actually don't think anything bad has ever happened at a place I rented on airbnb. Besides the normal private residences in some countries not having ac or a fan or screens in the windows and it's a heatwave. But all the places that I have rented in the past, i usually check on them, seem to no longer list or have increased prices to more than nearby hotels (like someone mentioned above). One of my favorite things to do in other locations is go to the grocery store so I really like to have a kitchen. But there are some pretty decent aparthotels now in some cities.

in oahu, i know they recently passed a thing where all rentals under 30 days need to apply for a license (of which there are not many?). so if they even see you listing on vrbo or airbnb without the registration number they will fine you.

Yerac, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:28 (five months ago) link

but yeah airbnb started out ok and then like everything else, got corrupted.

Yerac, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:29 (five months ago) link

all my airbnb stays are in small towns/the countryside so i do not consider myself part of the problem tbh...or at least, not part of this specific problem

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:32 (five months ago) link

Is Airbnb notably shittier than it’s competitors? I like to rent places with kitchens when I travel so that I don’t have to eat out so much. But I’ve only used Airbnb a couple of times, and not for five years I think. I usually use homeaway and have only had good experiences, renting whole houses usually. But going into it each time I worry that I’m gonna get the shaft. In big cities I just use hotels.

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:33 (five months ago) link

and almost all the time it isn't a second residence but a cabin in someone's garden

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:33 (five months ago) link

or an entire floor of their house

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 21:34 (five months ago) link

all my airbnb stays are in small towns/the countryside so i do not consider myself part of the problem tbh...or at least, not part of this specific problem

― imago, Friday, November 1, 2019 2:32 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

airbnb is definitely an issue in smaller places also, oh, i see your further caveates, nvm

ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:38 (five months ago) link

A shooting at an Airbnb in Northern California killed four people and wounded several others during a Halloween party. The renter had falsely claimed she needed the home to escape wildfire smoke.

— AP West Region (@APWestRegion) November 1, 2019

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:40 (five months ago) link

On my last trip to japan I needed a place for 4 weeks and tried to book through the local short lets agencies rather than Airbnb, hoping my Japanese was good enough. They all just pointed me back to Airbnb where they have the same places for a little more expensive (and then Airbnb adds their fees). I guess it is just easier for them to deal through the platform with automatic translation and stern warnings not to take the trash out, ever. It was fine but would have rather cut Airbnb out of the picture. I need to craft a more Japanese online persona, or at least one that looks resident in japan.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:42 (five months ago) link

The only time I used it it worked out fine in the end but there were a hairy couple of hours where I thought I was in an unknown small town with a small child and nowhere to stay. The house didn't seem to exist where described and no-one was there and I couldn't seem to phone the owners - the AirBNB chat/interface was useless at actually connecting us with the owners (who afaict weren't doing anything shifty). I'd definitely be wary of it now.

kinder, Friday, 1 November 2019 22:45 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

The sudden collapse of AirBNB has been, legitimately, the funniest fucking thing I’ve watched play out this past month.

— Ilhan's Berndam RX-46-2 (@taintberner) March 23, 2020

pplains, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 01:07 (two weeks ago) link


sleeve, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:04 (two weeks ago) link


call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:07 (two weeks ago) link

Fuck this person, who was single-handedly responsible for taking 20+ families out of the city.
Vacant blocks, filled on weekends with tourists.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:09 (two weeks ago) link

Without govt regulation this shit will just pop right back up when ppl resume traveling.
Please only stay at designated hotels/motels/hostels when traveling. Resist the temptation. It wreaks havoc on residents wherever it's prevalent.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:13 (two weeks ago) link

The reverse is happening in Joshua Tree, where frightened Angelenos are trying to escape the city.

nickn, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

And in googling this story I found a place out there that calls itself "The Gaslight."

nickn, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:17 (two weeks ago) link

San Bernardino County (which includes Joshua Tree) has ordered airbnb’s to shut down fyi

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:21 (two weeks ago) link

They could switch to long-term rentals now, I suppose. Even if it ends up being a short term situation.

nickn, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 02:28 (two weeks ago) link

coworker just moved out of a situation where her landlord decided (midway through her contract) to convert the vacant rooms in the house into airbnbs. every week there'd be a new set of random people roaming around, sharing amenities, complete nightmare

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 03:14 (two weeks ago) link

christ, I couldn't handle that. can barely handle the steady roommates

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 03:22 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah that's a nightmare. I could barely handle when other units in my complex turned into short term rentals. But at least I was only renting. Felt so bad for the retirees who bought condos in that complex years ago only to have it all go to shit due to rich fucks from Phoenix buying up all possible units and turning them into airbnbs.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 03:48 (two weeks ago) link

Like for real I've had bad dreams where there's somehow strangers living in my home legally

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

I called them step-brothers.

pplains, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 03:56 (two weeks ago) link

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