Under the Skin (2014) dir. Jonathan Glazer

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no thread for this divisive masterpiece?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoSWbyvdhHw

Number None, Saturday, 15 March 2014 11:12 (five years ago) link

this is the first new film i'm excited about for a while

You cannot interrupt his tea stirring because it is his holy trick (imago), Saturday, 15 March 2014 12:35 (five years ago) link

a grand statement on what it means to be a human being?
no, thanks

pandemic, Saturday, 15 March 2014 12:42 (five years ago) link

^^^probably liked the lego movie

You cannot interrupt his tea stirring because it is his holy trick (imago), Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:47 (five years ago) link

Really looking forward to seeing this, but it doesn't seem to be showing anywhere local, dammit!

Duane Barry, Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:51 (five years ago) link

I saw it this morning. For the first half or so, I found myself wishing that I didn't know Glasgow, and didn't know about use of guerrilla filming. It took me out of the film too much - spotting locations and thinking about the mechanics of shooting it, and who was unsuspecting and who was not. But I got over that, as the film moved out of that phase. At least two unforgettable scenes, for me, and I want to go back and see it again very soon, maybe on a bigger screen than the one I saw it on today – I want it to overwhelm me more. But first I've got to rewatch both parts of Nymphomaniac. 2014 has started very well for me.

The trailer gives an excellent sense of the whole film, by the way. Those sounds are at the heart of it.

Alba, Sunday, 16 March 2014 01:52 (five years ago) link

Am trying to think of other film-makers who got more progressively more avant-garde with with their first three features.

Alba, Sunday, 16 March 2014 01:55 (five years ago) link

is "guerrilla filming" the big conceit here? wondering what makes this film "divisive."

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 16 March 2014 01:57 (five years ago) link

I don't know. Often I only hear about films being divisive through articles saying their divisive. Apparently it got booed by some at Toronto, or something, and I did read today someone quoting someone in the Independent who called it a "laughably bad alien hitchhiker movie" back then. But I've not actually read anyone slag it off myself.

Alba, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:01 (five years ago) link

i'm only getting the term from number-none's original post ("divisive masterpiece").

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:03 (five years ago) link

I have found that review.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/film-review-under-the-skin--even-scarlett-johansson-cant-save-jonathan-glazers-laughably-bad-alien-hitchhiker-movie-8796596.html

It is stupid and its point about the film ignoring ethnic minorities in Glasgow quite baffling.

Alba, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:04 (five years ago) link

Yeah, it's not just number-none saying that – it's a word that's been attached to the film in the media.

Ugh – "their divisive" = "they're divisive" above.

Alba, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:05 (five years ago) link

loved this! had been looking fwd to it for a long time, totally lived up to expectations

just sayin, Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:13 (five years ago) link

This looks interesting and I can't wait to enjoy it _and_ the Lego movie

have a nice blood (mh), Sunday, 16 March 2014 15:36 (five years ago) link

I'd like to hear the opinion of someone who though Birth was bleh

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 March 2014 15:38 (five years ago) link

I really liked Birth up until the neat tying-up at the end, so that's not me.

Alba, Sunday, 16 March 2014 16:16 (five years ago) link

I liked Birth a lot, but have never understood the reverence for Sexy Beast, which I found to be basically a ridiculous farce. This new movie sounds really bad.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 16 March 2014 16:20 (five years ago) link

Sexy Beast was a good larf tho; never took it as more.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:39 (five years ago) link

sexy beast is a pretty sweet flick, w/3 really great and vv different performances occupying the center. lots of ridiculousness there, true.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:59 (five years ago) link

sexy beast was the first time i saw ian mcshane in anything and he was terrifying

Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 16 March 2014 18:18 (five years ago) link

yeah mcshane struck a good balance in the film of being utterly scary and perpetually bemused and coldly but fairly logical.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 16 March 2014 18:25 (five years ago) link

man i just don't know if I can credit this film with being not -awful

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 16 March 2014 21:06 (five years ago) link

For the first half or so, I found myself wishing that I didn't know Glasgow

well i saw this yesterday in Glasgow, then afterwards walked round many of the locations seen in the film, and there was something very exciting and unusual abt this slippage between the screen and the real, for me.

loved this, slower, more abstract than i was expecting, but really haunting, and a film where you cld easily be ambushed by unexpected emotion. haven't seen glazer's other two movies, but here i admired his brass balls/confidence in treating the material in this way (as someone said to me, "the plot sounds just like Species")

Ward Fowler, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:42 (five years ago) link

Seeing this at the GFT tomorrow. Haven't been as excited for a film in a long while.

ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:05 (five years ago) link

I loved this too, although I wonder if being a stranger in Glasgow gave it some added resonance for me. I did prefer the first half to the second half although that seems to be the case with 9 out of 10 films I see recently. And yeah, there were 2 or 3 scenes which blew me away.

ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:01 (five years ago) link

Saw it for a second time today. I was able to relax more in the early scenes, but am even more convinced that it's the section from when she picks up the man with neurofibromatosis through to the sex scene that's the dizzyingly great peak of the film.

Alba, Friday, 21 March 2014 02:00 (five years ago) link

like is it a sad sack sex scene with canon in d playing or a pisstake of same, and either way how do you reconcile not seeing it as awful with considering yourself an adult

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 21 March 2014 14:18 (five years ago) link

loved this

socki (s1ocki), Friday, 21 March 2014 14:30 (five years ago) link

Are you calling me a child for liking that scene, thomp, or have I misunderstood your post?

Alba, Friday, 21 March 2014 18:14 (five years ago) link

this looks like complete trash, only skimmed the anthony lane profile of ScarJo+review of this in latest New Yorker and threw the magazine across the room.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2014 18:46 (five years ago) link

I should say pretentious trash

but maybe I'm wrong, guess I'll never know...

espring (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2014 18:46 (five years ago) link

This will be my favorite movie of the year but for the buttsex in Stranger by the Lake.

Eric H., Friday, 21 March 2014 19:10 (five years ago) link

but have you seen nymphomaniac?

lots of sex to choose from

espring (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2014 19:13 (five years ago) link

Top 3's gonna be pretty sexy.

Eric H., Friday, 21 March 2014 19:15 (five years ago) link

(4?)

Eric H., Friday, 21 March 2014 19:15 (five years ago) link

Stranger by the Lake, Under the Skin and Nymphomaniac actually are the best three new films I've seen this year.

Alba, Friday, 21 March 2014 19:16 (five years ago) link

Think I've reached my 2014 cock quota now.

Alba, Friday, 21 March 2014 19:20 (five years ago) link

Wait til you see the Godzilla reboot and why what made the hole in that skyscraper may surprise you.

Eric H., Friday, 21 March 2014 19:21 (five years ago) link

stranger by the lake opens here tonight, am psyched for cinematic cock.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2014 19:52 (five years ago) link

although i get the feeling there may be some walkouts by older folk who "went to see that new French movie"

espring (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2014 19:52 (five years ago) link

I wonder if the theater is even aware that real! homosexual! fellatio! is happening on one of their screens.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2014 19:53 (five years ago) link

The scotch-guarding will tip you off.

Eric H., Friday, 21 March 2014 19:53 (five years ago) link

not sure why certain people are so eager to damn this sight unseen. Possibly they're just idiots

Number None, Friday, 21 March 2014 23:39 (five years ago) link

people who don't share your opinions are idiots

espring (amateurist), Saturday, 22 March 2014 02:36 (five years ago) link

i'm damning it sight seen. that's because it's a really stupid movie

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 22 March 2014 14:54 (five years ago) link

people who share my opinions are idiots

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 22 March 2014 14:55 (five years ago) link

i get a whiff of glazer trying to do the whole french-cinema-of-extremity thing a decade late

espring (amateurist), Sunday, 23 March 2014 09:32 (five years ago) link

wronger than ever

Number None, Sunday, 23 March 2014 10:49 (five years ago) link

I found this kind of disappointing. V enjoyable in many places, but overall the same kind of long slow shots in lieu of much of anything new, that I'm getting a little bored of. I saw it in the same cinema I saw Upstream Color so I think that has affected my take on it slightly (had a similar reaction to that).

kinder, Sunday, 23 March 2014 18:02 (five years ago) link

v scared of this

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 March 2014 18:03 (five years ago) link

(also what club would be playing "sandstorm" in this decade...)

― lex pretend, Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:59 AM (four years ago)

lol lex.

Great film and whoever it was upthread who said it was Patrick Keiller-esque was otm.

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:02 (three months ago) link

Dang, everyone's so weepy about the baby scene! Maybe someone came by and saved the baby!

I thought this, but the SJ character hears on the radio that a man's body was found and the mother and child are missing and they've called off the search 'cos of fog, which seemed like an unnecessarily cruel bit of info.

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:15 (three months ago) link

One of the few films I've been majorly excited about that actually exceeded my hopes - that opening sequence blew my mind and there's not a wasted frame after that.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:16 (three months ago) link

beach scene was very tough to take. kinda stunned that someone called it "hilarious" upthread, unless that was supposed to be a joke.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:36 (three months ago) link

Extremely tough, and also the most shockingly alien in perspective. Kicks the film into high gear.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:50 (three months ago) link

has anyone else read the book? it's very very different but also good.

na (NA), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:51 (three months ago) link

Same cinematographer for his 2020 Auschwitz film, some 6+ years in development. I fear that because nothing has been reported on summer 2019 production, that it'll be pushed to 2021...

The comparisons to Kubrick are more apt looking at the Glazer's whole ouvre, in the concerns (Kubrick also planned an Auschwitz film), stunt casting, framing, pacing, and intervals between films.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Friday, 6 September 2019 23:00 (three months ago) link

Yep I've read the book too - I'm glad I didn't see a lot of that stuff on screen actually. I'm impressed with Glazer planting the same seed in a different medium and letting it mutate. Strongest Kubrick influence perhaps.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 6 September 2019 23:03 (three months ago) link

Birth seems like his most Kubrickian, and best probably, don't know that I'm looking forward to him making an Auschwitz film tho

or something, Friday, 6 September 2019 23:10 (three months ago) link

my first viewing of this, at the tail end of a multiplex run, was hysterical. to be clear it had run in multiplexes in scotland because it was filmed in glasgow and i guess there was "local interest". mass walkouts, people around me all asking what the fuck they'd come to, people accusing others in their party for having asked them to come to see it. the best was a boxer guy that i recognised from my own gym shouting how shite it was as he noisily left the auditorium.

i fucking love it.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 23:12 (three months ago) link

you could barely concentrate on the film for all the noisy hilarity going on.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 23:15 (three months ago) link

beach scene was very tough to take. kinda stunned that someone called it "hilarious" upthread, unless that was supposed to be a joke.


I can see this but didn’t find it funny or particularly disturbing. The movie didn’t strike me as cruel at any point like Sacred Deer or something.

So much to say but goddamn this is the best example of PURE CINEMA I’ve seen this decade. So many things so beautifully conveyed in images, gestures. The most moving and simple example being the closeup of the disabled guy pinching himself. Masterful use of sound and silence too

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:11 (three months ago) link

I’m not a film guy but even my dumb ass recognized this shit was transcendent.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:18 (three months ago) link

What’s weird is that the beach scene didn’t disturb me as much as it did many others (although I also didn’t find it “hilarious”, wtf) but the scene of the guy watching the other guy get sucked out of his skin and then watching the empty skin float around in the void is one of the most disturbing nightmare images I’ve ever seen in a movie. I have a super vivid memory of watching it in the cinema and feeling paralyzed with dread.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:22 (three months ago) link

yes. I also thought the scene with attempted sex was memorable, and the cake scene where the SJ character is looking at it and wondering, what the hell is this?

Dan S, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:40 (three months ago) link

Seriously tempted to show this in the film club I'm doing.

WmC, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:50 (three months ago) link

do any women like this movie? just curious

del griffith, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:58 (three months ago) link

cause like I can't imagine it being as big a hit/making as much of an impact with an actress less hot than The Scarjo, and that seems ironically problematic maybe? haven't figured it out yet, but I did like this movie

del griffith, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:59 (three months ago) link

Well the big joke is that these dudes are willing to follow a woman who looks like scarjo into what looks like a crack den if they think they’re gonna get laid, though you could certainly argue maybe that would be true with any moderately attractive woman though making it her I think does make it funnier

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 7 September 2019 02:26 (three months ago) link

My wife was def into this movie
Xp

Οὖτις, Saturday, 7 September 2019 03:02 (three months ago) link

It's not really a comedy though, is it? I don't think I laughed once during the whole thing, although, like I said, I really liked this movie! It's good, but I didn't laugh. Certainly never like "lol they're falling for her cause she's moderately attractive at least" cause I mean what's funny about that. That's just human nature. If you're a straight guy, haven't you ever fallen for someone super hot who actually talked to you for a little bit? And from the moment that started to happen, weren't you sorta on the clock to figure out whether this clearly hot person is worth being talked to by your obviously superior intellect? And should you feel ashamed about it if you decided she is? I never found a "big joke" in this movie, but it did make me feel ashamed of all the times I ever thought with my balls, and it did feel like some sort of feminist masterpiece that I'll probably always be under and never really understand.

del griffith, Saturday, 7 September 2019 03:03 (three months ago) link

this didn't seem comedic to me at all.

I've only seen it once but the motorcyclist seemed like some kind of alien handler who was ultimately in a position of control

Dan S, Saturday, 7 September 2019 03:16 (three months ago) link

stephanie zacharek liked it:

https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/04/02/under-the-skin-is-alluring-creepy-and-great/

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 7 September 2019 03:18 (three months ago) link

the genius of the movie for me was its showing a view of human empathy from a completely outside perspective, thought it was moving

Dan S, Saturday, 7 September 2019 03:32 (three months ago) link

I know women who rate it pretty high, I obv can’t speak for their precise reasons but it takes on stuff like the male gaze and gendered power dynamics pretty explicitly.

Scarlett Johansson being in it obviously helped the movie get made & get seen, but I think it’s one of those cases where that also works artistically. There are obv many different layers and readings that can be brought to bear, but the larger context of viewers being aware of her as a giant movie star and international sex symbol is definitely at play in how the movie is operating and what its doing, imo

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 7 September 2019 03:53 (three months ago) link

I mean I just thought it was funny that she led these dudes into this sketchy as fuck building and they blissfully went along. It’s funny because it’s ridiculous and yet totally believable.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 7 September 2019 04:01 (three months ago) link

Poll: Would you walk into black water for Scarlet Johanson?

Y
N

Funky Isolations (jed_), Saturday, 7 September 2019 04:15 (three months ago) link

I've been to places that look like where she takes the men but I am from Glasgow ymmv if you have lived bougiely only

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 7 September 2019 04:29 (three months ago) link

cause like I can't imagine it being as big a hit/making as much of an impact with an actress less hot than The Scarjo, and that seems ironically problematic maybe? haven't figured it out yet, but I did like this movie

― del griffith, Friday, September 6, 2019 8:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it wasn't a hit, it made half its budget back. seems weird bc it made an impact, at least at the time, I've been meaning to check this out for 5+ years based on one perfect recommendation ("Under the Skin tho"). and shakey is right about Stranger Things ripping this off and doing it worse

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 September 2019 04:36 (three months ago) link

alright well not a hit, but the reason we're all talking about it now.

and it's not really about Glasgow though is it? it's about men being taken in by attractive women no matter what hopeless environment they happen to find themselves in, and therein lies the trap.

del griffith, Saturday, 7 September 2019 04:38 (three months ago) link

What’s weird is that the beach scene didn’t disturb me as much as it did many others (although I also didn’t find it “hilarious”, wtf) but the scene of the guy watching the other guy get sucked out of his skin and then watching the empty skin float around in the void is one of the most disturbing nightmare images I’ve ever seen in a movie.


Oh definitely - it’s a masterful scene in so many ways. The mounting dread, the silence, the noise, the skin looping around like a discarded plastic bag while you see the trays filled with meat - it’s totally horrific but the scenario itself being so, well, alien made it easier to take for me.

gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 04:50 (three months ago) link

N, but I don't think it was just black water. The endless white/black plane of the "seduction" scenes (nods to THX 1138) would have left me limply curious. Maybe it related to the rundown tenement as the interior of the Tardis, but if taken as presented and not a visual metaphor, the victims have tunnel vision I've never experienced except under psychedelics. There's some trancranial magnetic stimulation (etc) going on.

Mild spoilers for book: In Faber's book, while the protagonist Isserley may use (artificial) feminine charms to keep the victims talking until she can confirm they won't be missed, there's no undressing, just a button in the dash that activates autoinjectors under the passenger seat. The cinematic version is far better.

TBF, the film retains very little from the book besides "female appearing alien develops misgivings about abducting male hitchhikers in Scotland for further processing". I like the "alien anthropologist goes native" thread of the film, and I don't think the book's focuses on class consciousness, backbreaking labor, or factory farming could have worked visually.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 7 September 2019 05:05 (three months ago) link

I liked this movie but haven't seen it since it was in cinemas. I read the book not long ago, impressive how they got from that to the movie but it's a great movie. I was actually going to watch it again last night but ran out of time. I'd forgotten the beach scene, think that would be hard to watch again.

kinder, Saturday, 7 September 2019 10:45 (three months ago) link

I'm a woman btw

kinder, Saturday, 7 September 2019 10:47 (three months ago) link

do any women like this movie? just curious

― del griffith, Saturday, September 7, 2019 12:58 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

It remains my favourite film of the decade.

― tangenttangent, Friday, September 6, 2019 7:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

imago, Saturday, 7 September 2019 10:49 (three months ago) link

I am a woman and I enjoyed this movie as well as the soundtrack.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 7 September 2019 14:32 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

https://news.avclub.com/watch-the-fall-a-nightmarish-new-short-from-under-th-1840036328

new glazer short

na (NA), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:54 (two weeks ago) link

with mica levi score

na (NA), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:00 (two weeks ago) link

I'm a massive Glazer fan but I thought this was a bit ehhh

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

same

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:25 (two weeks ago) link

Is it just the BBC who have it online for the UK still?

brain (krakow), Thursday, 28 November 2019 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

Yes, it's a BBC production.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Thursday, 28 November 2019 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks. One of those rare times I'm frustrated as a TV non-licensee. Oh well, I'll wait until it appears somewhere, doesn't sound crucial viewing.

brain (krakow), Thursday, 28 November 2019 13:33 (two weeks ago) link

a man of principles!

Heavy Messages (jed_), Thursday, 28 November 2019 13:34 (two weeks ago) link

Or a man of laziness!

brain (krakow), Thursday, 28 November 2019 13:42 (two weeks ago) link

Actually got the Opera browser's built-in VPN to work, so I'll watch it later on the US site, once darkness falls.

brain (krakow), Thursday, 28 November 2019 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

I agree that it's a bit something and nothing. There's some cool shots and it's decently unsettling, but I thought there was very little to it. Oh well.

brain (krakow), Sunday, 1 December 2019 14:47 (one week ago) link

I have a coworker who actively dislikes this one and complains about it being recommended to him as horror, but I think it’s very much in the ponderous genre subset and I get that it’s not for all

mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 00:28 (one week ago) link

Do you mean Under The Skin? For clarity, I was talking about The Fall immediately above.

brain (krakow), Monday, 2 December 2019 00:46 (one week ago) link

ahh, yeah. UtS

mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 01:04 (one week ago) link


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