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, Saturday, 8 March 2014 03:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Search and rescue teams already deployed

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 03:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm heading back to KL tonight and while I'm not particularly worried about my own flight (at least, no more than usual), this doesn't look good at all. :( missing for just about ten hours now.

Roz, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:21 (five years ago) Permalink

The thing that weirds me out is that apart from a brief passage over the South China Sea, the plane should be flying mostly over land.... It doesn't seem like there's anywhere along the route where it might have went down without being detected?

Roz, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:33 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah the only thing I'm willing to believe is that the plane was over the ocean at its last reported location, before it stopped transmitting

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Yep, that's the only part that's been confirmed... It was travelling at cruising altitude in good weather, so it's really unclear what happened after that.

Roz, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:45 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah this is horrifying, how can it just disappear?

the Bronski Review (Trayce), Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:46 (five years ago) Permalink

UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh god, probably my #1 nightmare way to die. Because you have all those minutes (as the plane descends) to contemplate your imminent death upon the deep dark sea. Shudder, shudder, shudder.

drash, Saturday, 8 March 2014 05:08 (five years ago) Permalink

oh man :(

the Bronski Review (Trayce), Saturday, 8 March 2014 05:36 (five years ago) Permalink

WSJ already running a story about the financial implications to Malaysia Airlines that will result from this

I'm gonna go throw up

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 05:44 (five years ago) Permalink

PEK has released passenger manifests

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 06:03 (five years ago) Permalink

I fly over the ocean a lot, and always feel some anxiety, so these (extremely, extremely rare) events chill me to the bone.

(I feel bad that my reaction here is so self-centered. Pity-- thinking of the passengers and their loved ones-- outstrips fear, by far by far, in this situation, but words are much less apt to express the former. There are no words.)

I usually feel more "reassured" (or less terrible unease) when these things are due to pilot error rather than random mechanical failure... not exactly sure why. (Less vicarious sense of helplessness?) Though I guess often it's a combination (in varying proportions) of the two.

drash, Saturday, 8 March 2014 06:38 (five years ago) Permalink

MAS still hasn't made an official announcement yet, but they're holding pressers every two hours so prob just a matter of time. :(

Roz, Saturday, 8 March 2014 07:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Three hours later and everybody is still relying on the secondhand report from Tuổi Trẻ

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 07:49 (five years ago) Permalink

had to run a report to see if any of our clients were on that service :(

no use guessing what happened at this stage, just shocked this happened to MH and to a Boeing 777

wow such doge of venice (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 8 March 2014 08:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Apparently a 20km long oil slick was found by the Vietnamese Navy; people at FlyerTalk ( have calculated that the coordinates given in the article are within ~30 km of the last known location of the plane

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 11:54 (five years ago) Permalink

"Vietnamese aircraft spots liquid and "rubbish" on surface in overlapping waters of Malaysia and Vietnam, official tells CNN. "

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 12:14 (five years ago) Permalink


peak environmental scaremongering (darraghmac), Saturday, 8 March 2014 12:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Just found out that an old college friend, her sister and her mother was on the flight. Another sister is close friends with my brother and she's devastated right now. Argh this is so so so fucked.

Roz, Saturday, 8 March 2014 13:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Fucking hell, Roz

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 13:29 (five years ago) Permalink

NYT confirming the reports of the oil slick. Guess it's a foregone conclusion by this point

, Saturday, 8 March 2014 13:37 (five years ago) Permalink

this is completely terrifying

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 March 2014 14:41 (five years ago) Permalink

As disturbing as this is, is it a rarer occurrence than it used to be? In my childhood and young adulthood, I remember crashes happened seemingly all the time. Maybe they still do and they get buried by other news, but air travel has to be safer now than it was even just 15-20 years ago.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 March 2014 14:55 (five years ago) Permalink

They are currently on the 13th series of Air Crash Investigation and they still haven't run of air crash incidents, so that is a hell of a lot of crashes :(

xelab, Saturday, 8 March 2014 15:13 (five years ago) Permalink

odd but maybe nothing:

In a development that raised fears of foul play, investigators said they were looking into reports that two men — one Italian, the other Austrian — whose names were identical to those listed on the plane’s passenger manifest, had reported their passports stolen.

The Italian citizen, Luigi Maraldi, told news organizations in his country that his passport had been stolen while he was in Asia, that he is currently in Bangkok and that he was is not the Luigi Maraldi listed on the plane’s manifest. The Austrian Foreign Ministry said, according to news accounts, that the one of its citizens, Christian Kozel, 30, reported that his passport was stolen two years ago in Thailand.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 8 March 2014 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

the false-optimistic rumors and reports that were running rampant yesterday (ie, "towers just received a signal from the plane! we heard it may have landed at an alternate location") have to be the worst for these fearful families. Looks bleak at this point, sadly.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 8 March 2014 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

As disturbing as this is, is it a rarer occurrence than it used to be?

Depends where you are in the world from what I can tell, and also what airlines. The huge, terrifying series of American air crashes in the late seventies and early to mid eighties have always given me some pause since I grew up with them -- for a while there it seemed like there was one big one every year or more, and the PSA Flight 182 disaster in San Diego occurred while I was there in third grade. Things fell off from there, but there have been plenty of notable commuter/local route air crashes in the last decade alone, and it's fairly well documented that pilots run crazy long shifts for comparatively low pay (one reason I liked that Sully pilot with the 2009 Hudson river landing is that he pretty much immediately used his public fame to say "Guys, things are REALLY fucked on that front.").

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 March 2014 18:10 (five years ago) Permalink

As Ask The Pilot points out (can't find the exact post, but it's there somewhere), the Asiana crash in SF last year was the first crash-with-fatalities of an airliner in the US since 2001. Considering there are around 30,000 flights/day worldwide, crash stats are still insanely low (but yeah, they were higher in the 70s/80s -- 1985 still stands as the worst year on record).

I do worry about fatigue/low pay (something else ATP talks about) -- pilots on regional carriers start at something like $14k/year. iirc, fatigue was one of the factors in the Colgan Air crash outside Buffalo a few years ago. And Sully OTM.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 8 March 2014 18:23 (five years ago) Permalink

Besides that there was that comair crash in Kentucky and then there was a crash in buffalo iirc but that's it.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 8 March 2014 19:11 (five years ago) Permalink

flying is still the safest means of travel, it's just that...when something goes wrong, the odds of still being alive afterwards are much worse. you can survive a car wreck. very difficult to survive a plane crash. and if the death isn't instant...very painful.

not to be grotesque, it's of those things where although the probabilities side with your safety, the lows are that much lower if you're that .01%.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 8 March 2014 19:23 (five years ago) Permalink

Wasn't there a study showing that most air crashes are actually pretty survivable as well? Like some large percentage of crash victims are not fatalities?

bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Saturday, 8 March 2014 20:20 (five years ago) Permalink

when I saw the video of that asiana air crash I was stunned that only a couple people died (and only one bc of the crash!)

christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 8 March 2014 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah and before yesterday, Msia Airlines had had only two fatal crashes in 40 years of operations, one of which was a hijacking. It's a pretty impressive record, considering they run about 120,000 flights a year... whatever the problems MAS has with financial management (and there have been MANY, no thanks to govt/political interference) have never extended to its flight operations.

Roz, Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

what constitutes a 'large percentage'?

Neanderthal, Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:30 (five years ago) Permalink

Very early to speculate, but was reminded of the crash of Air France 447 and Adam Air 574

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:43 (five years ago) Permalink

The MA 777 was damaged in a runway collision two years ago. I'm wondering if there was more damage that was undetected during the repairs.

The China Eastern Airbus was waiting to take off when a wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 bumped the left elevator on the tail of the Airbus. Both aircraft received damage that prevented them from continuing their flights.

The top portion of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines plane was broken off and dangled on the tail of the China Eastern Airbus, according to pictures posted by passengers on the Internet.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:47 (five years ago) Permalink

i had a frightening conversation with a friend's father, an aerospace engineer, not too long ago. basically i'm never going to fly on a south american airline.

socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 8 March 2014 22:28 (five years ago) Permalink

(lots of REALLY outdated planes flying out there with false credentials apparently)

socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 8 March 2014 22:28 (five years ago) Permalink

It looks like the two people on false passports were traveling together.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Sunday, 9 March 2014 09:06 (five years ago) Permalink

Two people who traveled on the missing Malaysian Airlines flight under the passports of an Italian and an Austrian citizen appear to have bought their tickets together.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 9 March 2014 09:07 (five years ago) Permalink

That's fucked up

^^ Does anybody remember this at all?? I literally have no recollection of this

, Sunday, 9 March 2014 10:50 (five years ago) Permalink

Conspiracy theorists will point to the ticket purchase + majority Chinese passenger list + recent incident in Kunming, obviously

^ Pilot ahead of MH370 claims to have established contact with the plane

, Sunday, 9 March 2014 10:55 (five years ago) Permalink

Apparently two more passengers in addition to the two above used stolen passports, for a total of four

, Sunday, 9 March 2014 10:57 (five years ago) Permalink

The transport minister seems to have clarified that it is just two passengers they are looking at.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Sunday, 9 March 2014 11:01 (five years ago) Permalink

^^ Does anybody remember this at all?? I literally have no recollection of this

Yeah, I definitely remember it. Coming so soon after 9/11, people were (understandably) freaking out about it possibly being another attack. Those fears were quashed early on in the investigation, iirc.

(I had a crippling fear of flying, and the 1-2 of 9/11 and flight 587 kept me from flying for at least another year.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 9 March 2014 11:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Artist friend said on FB that there was a delegation of 29 Chinese visual artists on the flight.

baked beings on toast (suzy), Sunday, 9 March 2014 11:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Dayo I remember the 2001 crash is Queens really vividly too. It was awful.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Sunday, 9 March 2014 14:08 (five years ago) Permalink

started new thread for discussion of current events: Malaysian flight MH17 / Ukraine conflict 2014

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 21 July 2014 03:38 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

PBS' Nova covers the disappearance.Good summary of everything.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:34 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Hampered by Disagreements

The five teams of investigators were made up of officials from Boeing, Inmarsat, France’s Thales Group , the U.S.’s National Transportation Safety Board, and the Australian Defence Science and Technology Organisation. Each was asked by the ATSB to analyze the data independently and draw their own conclusions.

“Originally we thought we had a consensus among the five groups, based on the best data available at the time,” Mr. Dolan, head of the Australian air-accident investigator, said in an interview. “Once we refined the data again the methodologies diverged.”

Investigators haven’t made clear why using an autopilot would result in such a different flight path from that suggested by the plane’s satellite signals. Mr. Dolan declined to say which of the experts supported which of the crash-site theories. Representatives from the NTSB, Inmarsat, and Thales said they couldn’t immediately comment, and a Boeing spokesman declined to comment[

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 30 November 2014 02:07 (four years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Because 2014 is the worst:

Roz, Sunday, 28 December 2014 03:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Ugh. So sorry

Pigbag Wanderer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 December 2014 04:53 (four years ago) Permalink

exact same make/model i just took to heathrow. yikes.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 December 2014 13:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Agence France-Presse ✔ @AFP

#BREAKING AirAsia Flight #QZ8501 likely 'at bottom of sea': Indonesia search chief
2:26 AM - 29 Dec 2014

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Monday, 29 December 2014 02:31 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Well, someone's gone off the deep end.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 04:25 (four years ago) Permalink

I have some clients at Baikonur - i'll ask around.

I have no idea how something this crazy actually ends up being published.

Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 08:25 (four years ago) Permalink

richard belzer's new book will answer all our questions...

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 18:12 (four years ago) Permalink

seems legit

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 20:09 (four years ago) Permalink

in re: nymag's jeff wise article. the biggest weakness in his theory is the total lack of a coherent motive for such an elaborate plot. even the most off-the-wall speculative motives seem far too weak to justify the theorized actions. one simply asks why on earth would anyone conceivably do this?

as long as you disregard this glaring hole, his theory hangs together fairly well.

Aimless, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:45 (four years ago) Permalink

It's still pretty impossible for someone to do this undetected while crossing over land borders too, even by flying close to territorial boundaries, as Wise suggest.

somewhat related: I've found that it's not a good idea these days to tell cab drivers in Malaysia I'm a reporter. Every single one of them is a Jeff Wise.

Roz, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 08:46 (four years ago) Permalink

xp wise did a q&a on gawker and was asked about motive a couple of times - his response was basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 09:32 (four years ago) Permalink

that is my motivation for most things so im a believer baby

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 12:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Tbf, I think he was less :shrug: and more admitting that lack of motive is a major missing component of his theory.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:53 (four years ago) Permalink

seems kinda nuts to dream up an outlandish and insanely detailed theory without also coming up with an answer to the very first question any rational person will ask - 'why'?

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, once you move well beyond the realm of Occam's Razor, I imagine "why" becomes less important.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 16:05 (four years ago) Permalink

also, when there's no clear indication of who or why, it perhaps makes (or seems to make) more sense to deal with the evidence you do have than to speculate about motives.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 16:31 (four years ago) Permalink

when you hypothesize a state-funded and state-planned crime on this scale, yet you cannot supply the first idea of what possible benefit they could derive from it, as opposed to the massive risks involved, then you have a deeply, deeply flawed hypothesis. because equipment malfunction followed by a crash does not require a crime, a criminal, or motives, it becomes the most reasonable default explanation.

Aimless, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 16:44 (four years ago) Permalink


bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 16:50 (four years ago) Permalink

love the bit about the Kazakh Cosmodrome and the big pile of dirt just exactly right for covering a plane that size with

nashwan, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 18:02 (four years ago) Permalink

As far as I know, Baikonur cosmodrome is actually a really busy "spaceport" full of non-Russian scientists and engineers working to get stuff up and down to the International Space Station and the like--you'd think they'd notice a massive jet landing there and being buried.

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:46 (four years ago) Permalink

It's basically the centre of day-to-day space transit.

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Was the suggestion that something was buried? I thought the implication was that this was a disused temporary way station that got torn down after the plane landed, refueled/etc., and then was flown out somewhere else within Russian-controlled airspace where no one else's radar was going to notice.

Anyway, the topic most here and elsewhere seem to be missing and perhaps part of the reason this was published is that this is supposed to illustrate in passing how easy it is for someone who leans rational and skeptical to fall down the rabbithole of a theory of their own invention. Both this and the theory itself are somewhat unclear on the face of the piece, because it appears to be overly-abbreviated, not necessarily by the author.

Banned on the Run (benbbag), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:53 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying I agree with the theory by any means, but it's not completely implausible.

Banned on the Run (benbbag), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:55 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Search for Missing Plane Spots Unknown Shipwreck

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 14 May 2015 00:49 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Debris on an Island Is Examined for Links to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

A large object that appeared to be an airplane part washed up Wednesday on the shore of Réunion, a French island in the Indian Ocean, prompting speculation that it might be debris from Flight 370, the Malaysia Airlines jetliner that disappeared in March 2014.

A French official with knowledge of the investigation said that the object appeared to be a wing flap, possibly from a Boeing 777, the type of aircraft used on the flight. The official said that the object was about 9 feet long and 3 feet wide, and that it appeared to have been in the water for a very long time.

The French aviation safety bureau, known as BEA, said in a statement on Wednesday that it “is studying the information on the airplane part found in La Réunion, in coordination with our Malaysian and Australian colleagues and with the judicial authorities.” It added that “it is not possible at this hour to ascertain whether the part is from a B-777 and/or from MH370.”

The French official said that the authorities were in the process of designating a laboratory in France where the object would be taken for examination, and that pinning down exactly which plane the object came from may take several weeks.

Agence France-Presse reported that the object was found by people cleaning a beach, and cited a witness who said it was partly encrusted with shells.

Even so, aviation experts who viewed published photos of the object said it strongly resembled a part of a modern jetliner wing known as a flaperon, one of the control surfaces that pilots use to guide the aircraft in flight.

Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board, said it seemed clear from the photos that the object “is a wing flap, and it’s about the right size.”

Whether it came from a 777 was another matter.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 23:51 (three years ago) Permalink

They've now found a suitcase, some bottles, and a plane door. All almost certain to be from MH370 but we'll get confirmation by tomorrow at the earliest.

Possibly more debris might have washed ashore in the past few months:

Roz, Sunday, 2 August 2015 07:13 (three years ago) Permalink

"I found a couple of suitcases too, around the same time, full of things," he said, almost in passing.
What did you do with them?
"I burnt them"

daavid, Monday, 3 August 2015 06:49 (three years ago) Permalink

They've just confirmed that the wing part was from MH370. Incredible, really and still so damn sad.

Roz, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 18:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I saw steve ganyard, some retired marine pilot dude, on Charlie rose talk abt how the wear on the wing indicates in his opinion that someone was conscious and poss trying to land as opposed to the plane going nose down into what/where-ever it crashed

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 18:39 (three years ago) Permalink

yea heres what he said on abc news at some pt I guess

I want to bring in retired colonel Steve ganyard, a pilot himself. I want to take our viewers back to that piece of wing because the angle of that flap and how intact the debris is, as you heard Jim reporting, leading someone to believe that someone might have deliberately done this. What do you think tonight? I think you're right. There are two scenarios. Everybody was unconscious, the airplane went in at a very steep angle. What we're seeing here on this debris is something that's intact which opens the very chilling possibility that there was somebody alive, conscious, and trying to land that airplane after it ran out of gas.

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 18:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Let's not lose sight of the fact that we're still no nearer finding the bulk of the wreckage, the bodies of the deceased or any answers as to how this tragedy happened.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:06 (three years ago) Permalink


difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 22:09 (three years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

says the reunion island wing piece is confirmed as MH370

, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

More debris being found on Eastern coast of Africa:

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 12 March 2016 07:55 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

it sounds like experts are working towards a conclusion that the pilot intended to commit suicide and was choosing a path to avoid radar...

omar little, Monday, 14 May 2018 16:54 (one year ago) Permalink

was just thinking about this the other day, did any of that debris mentioned just upthread ever get confirmed as being from the plane?

sleeve, Monday, 14 May 2018 16:56 (one year ago) Permalink

oh n/m it addresses that in the article

sleeve, Monday, 14 May 2018 16:57 (one year ago) Permalink

What seems very weird to me is that, if the whole point was murder-suicide, it could have been accomplished much more simply, directly and easily than what happened. Once you incapacitate the crew and passengers, just point the 777 at the ground and mission accomplished. Why go to such lengths to make the plane disappear when that is not essential to the main plan?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 01:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Another good detailed article breaking the news that Zaharie's flight simulator had underwater practice runways near the Indian Ocean:

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, March 17, 2014 11:00 PM (four years ago)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Pretty good summary of where things stand

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 15 April 2019 21:36 (two months ago) Permalink

Good presentation. Really is a headscratcher.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Can't believe I've been covering this story for five years straight.

That's a pretty good video, aside from a couple of minor factual errors (e.g. the Ocean Infinity search took only three months rather than more than a year). I think the original hypothesis - fire/electrical failure leading to hypoxia and hours of flight on autopilot - is probably still the best explanation for what happened, everything else is either too insane or too simplistic.

at this point, it's a matter of identifying where exactly it went down, and finding people with enough money, time, and tech to search. And that's the hardest bit.

Roz, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 03:53 (two months ago) Permalink

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