How many times is Godzilla going to be rebooted? 2014 edition

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKO10hKtYw

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link

More than anything else, I want to see how they mess up "giant lizard destroys city."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link

Why would they need to airdrop in soldiers to fight a giant lizard? You'd think it'd be preoccupied enough with destroying the city and eating trains and stuff that it wouldn't notice five or six lil' dudes sneaking up.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, I'm excited, because I love Godzilla. I loved "Monsters," too, which shows the director knows how to write for and direct, you know, actual people.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

Could be alright.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link

Although until not five minutes ago I was convinced that Gareth Edwards was the guy who directed The Raid. Turns out that's Gareth Evans. I haven't seen Monsters.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link

"Monsters" is really good, imo. Totally not what you'd expect from a movie called "Monsters" that does have monsters in it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link

My flatmate's claiming it's shit right this minute. I'll watch it and make my own mind up.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link

Is your flatmate 15? 'Cause yeah, I can imagine a kid picking out a movie called "Monsters" and hating it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:52 (ten years ago) link

Haha, he's 34 but his taste in movies is similar to that of a 15 year old.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link

that film was really good iirc.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link

Godzilla after Cloverfield after 9-11

Interesting aesthetics in that trailer – godzilla moving about in smoke and darkness, actually hiding in it despite his size – some of the wreckage looked realistically done, I saw a plane being chucked around a runway and a train?

Bryan Cranston?

I suppose the challenge for a special effects disaster/monster film now is that everyone knows you can make millions of tanks/spaceships/missiles fly around the screen, we're all numb to any CGI spectacle that relies too much on scale and ignores details

cardamon, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 02:50 (ten years ago) link

dang this actualy looks good

Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link

i loved monsters.
open of my fave movies in the genre.

mark e, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:28 (ten years ago) link

Attaching smoke and flares to your special ops guys before parachuting them into the city seems like a the ideal way to turn them into airborne Godzillasnacks to me.

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:49 (ten years ago) link

Another entry in the dark, roiling, cgi clouds school of film-making.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:55 (ten years ago) link

Lotta imaginary airborne particulate matter in Hollywood these days.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:57 (ten years ago) link

Trailer does not get me excited. It looks like your standard Bruckheimer/Bay/Emmerich summer atrocity.

zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:01 (ten years ago) link

agree

Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:15 (ten years ago) link

Only the fact that the Monsters guy is doing it has me curious. At least Big G looks more like his classic self in this.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link

In some ways it was genius for Toho to eventually turn Godzilla into a semi good guy. That way he got to destroy cities while also destroying other giant monsters, yet survive to star in sequels. The roteness of modern takes on "giant monster destroys city" is not the destruction, per se, but waiting for the inevitable "aha, that's how we kill it!" moment. Which is hard to care about, considering it's preceded by watching said monster destroy things in awesome fashion. Might as well have a character declare "aha, that's how we kill it, and make the movie stop moving!"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link

What about that "she is just protecting her eggs" moment?

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link

Trailer does not get me excited. It looks like your standard Bruckheimer/Bay/Emmerich summer atrocity.

― zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:01 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

disagree, not enough money shots of buildings being leveled or people narrowly outrunning the earth crumbling beneath them like they're on a universal studios ride; michael bay's HALO jumping military guys would be buff scowling badasses, instead the emphasis is on their fear and terror

Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link

I have to say, I started this thread with a certain level of dismissiveness, but now I'm kinda looking forward to it.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:41 (ten years ago) link

I'm on board

it's going to be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs (latebloomer), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:20 (ten years ago) link

Godzilla always ruled because he was a role model for fat, pear-shaped schlubs everywhere. You can change the world while still being sluggish and having horrible breath.

it's going to be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs (latebloomer), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link

Or maybe being so big you knock shit down just by turning around? I don't think Godzilla can see his feet, either.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 01:27 (ten years ago) link

And don't even get me started on this pudge monster:
http://www.wiredmomma.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/godzilla.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/slq3w3Sl.jpg

Does this Godzilla seem even more giant than previous Godzillas? And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link

Monsters is a great, great movie. So I'm looking forward to this on that alone.

akm, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link

And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?

Probably not. As I vaguely recall from my biology and physics, if you double the size of something, its muscle strength squares, but its volume/mass cubes, so the muscles are no longer strong enough to support the body (this is why insects/spiders don't come in sizes bigger than they currently do--if they got much bigger their exoskeleton weighs more than their limbs can support). Given the vaguely humanoid sjhape of Godzilla, he'd be fucked.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link

But yeah, Monsters was wonderful.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpc53FvcZ4c

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Friday, 21 February 2014 01:27 (ten years ago) link

that trailer looks amazing up top. never saw the 1998 one. i'm guessing it wasn't much good?

piscesx, Friday, 21 February 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link

You guess correct. It's not even bad in a fun way.

Simon H., Friday, 21 February 2014 03:52 (ten years ago) link

the way the 98 one bombed was wonderful

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 21 February 2014 04:24 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link

If you would have told me back in, say 2001, that we'd have another Godzilla reboot starring Malcolm's dad and the Olsen's twins kid sister...

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link

this looks great.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link

Looks surprisingly good.

lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link

Like the use of Ligeti. Hoping this turns out to be a Rise of the Apes-style classy update.

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link

Interest building....

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link

Does Godzilla make airplanes fall out of the sky or something?

jmm, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link

why does the statue of liberty look so fake

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link

did you see the desert mountains in the background

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link

i know it was going for a way different vibe, but i hope this can provide the monster-destroying-city action that Pacific Rim was woefully short on.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link

commercial's great, that's for sure. better to only hint at the monster (like with the rising ocean), or show it for a second or two.

30 years later, and the techniques used in jaws still hold true.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link

looks great. don't know why but remakes of franchise movies like this bother me so much less than remakes of stand alone films (point break ,oldboy etc)

TheMenzies, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link

I like they they've kept him tied (it seems) to the post-WW2 nuclear age.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link

*godzilla minus one, I mean

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 December 2023 23:22 (six months ago) link

a pedant writes: '54

same year as Seven Samurai, and both feature Takeshi Shimura who did 11 films that year

koogs, Friday, 29 December 2023 04:17 (six months ago) link

ugh i’m dumb

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 December 2023 04:29 (six months ago) link

I did like what they did with the atomic breath and his physical strength in this movie.

in the Heisei era movies (that I've seen so far), he was using his atomic breath for what seemed like 90% of his attacks and his tail for the rest, but here, it being something that takes longer to recharge, but having a much more amplified, almost a-bomb type impact, was badass. used a lot more of his built-in strength, doing things like throwing actual gigantic battleships across the ocean.

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 December 2023 15:36 (six months ago) link

also i finally watched Shin Godzilla

while very different from the modern godzilla movies it rules incredibly hard and is also, like Minus One, very spiritually connected to *54* Godzilla (i wont screw that up a second time)

maybe even more so
the fukushima parallels are so well done

when godzilla goes nuclear it is perfectly pantshittingly terrifying, as it should be

and such a great blend of fantasy & reality, excellent no notes

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 December 2023 09:00 (six months ago) link

We are meant to understand, right, that Godzilla is just a regular local sea monster who torments some outlying islands until Bikini makes him much bigger and gives him atom breath?

Is the regeneration power a consequence of being irradiated too? I.E. are we meant to believe that if Koichi had opened fire from his plane on Odo that would have been the end of Godzilla?

I totally felt the Rambo 2 vibe here btw. I thought there was a healthy ambivalence. Sure ""not going to war is something to be proud of" but the character that's said to eventually shows up at the war and saves the day by doing so! They don't want to be in the war, but they have to be, on some level they want to have to be.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 04:34 (six months ago) link

This movie reportedly about to hit $100 mil at the box office. Budget was $15 mil!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 21:59 (six months ago) link

I maybe have a false memory of vague spoilers that Kid Godzilla was in this -- was it a blink-and-you-miss it kind of thing?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 22:03 (six months ago) link

There's a lil Godzilla we meet first, maybe that's it? Shin Godzilla kind of had a lil Godzilla, too, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 22:15 (six months ago) link

My son and I watched Shin Godzilla last week - not at all what I was expecting, but it was a real joy. I think my son scratched his head a little at this one. He must have checked how much time was left in the move four or five times. I loved it but we both prefer Godzilla Minus One.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 23:22 (six months ago) link

my brother and I kept joking that the UN was going to issue sanctions against Godzilla

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 23:23 (six months ago) link

I'm in the Heisei era now, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2.

kinda loving the more bonkers each one gets.

how in the hell can they afford to rebuild so many power plants so frequently though

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 00:40 (six months ago) link

This movie reportedly about to hit $100 mil at the box office. Budget was $15 mil!

The director denies this: says it was closer to ten.

bae (sic), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 02:02 (six months ago) link

have now finished the Heisei era.

Godzilla v Destoroyah rulllllllllllled.

SpaceGodzilla was a complete cipher of a monster but I actually preferred that one to Godzilla v Mechagodzilla II, which was just completely all over the place nonsense.

taking a break for a bit. I've watched about 15 of these in the last month

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 06:34 (six months ago) link

xpost Either way, that's astounding. I saw somewhere that labor laws in Japan are pretty loose, and non unionized crews and other people on set are seriously overworked and underpaid, but even then, it's hard to wrap your head around those numbers and what's on screen. The FX in a movie like "The Marvels" look pretty unimpressive, imo, or at least they're not notable, but even at their best they don't look significantly better than this one. I think the same article I saw that mentioned labor laws complained that the "Minus One" FX sometimes looked kind of shoddy, but I never noticed anything particularly bad. In fact, I just saw a review (in Slate, iirc) that went out of its way to complement the tactile realism of Godzilla (the creature), and when I think back to the recent Hollywood Godzillas and Kongs, they sure are hell don't look 10x better/more expensive.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 13:25 (six months ago) link

I have to admit, part of the expectation of a "back-to-basics" Godzilla was hoping for a dude in a rubber suit, and being a little disappointed with how generically slick it was, though maybe with such lax labor laws the guy would probably drown a few times while filming. Was the last hurrah for that sort of thing in the 80s?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:28 (six months ago) link

even the 90s movies largely had rubber suits, and I think several of the ones into the 21st century.

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:32 (six months ago) link

I guess Godzilla 2000 is the first to have a fully CGI Godzilla

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:35 (six months ago) link

yeah they did a really good job with it. I'm usually put off by big computer monsters in blockbusters but he was dynamic and terrifying. lots of great open water scenes too which I loved.

ok I lied about the break. taking it after finally finishing Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah - Monsters All Out Attack.

think that puts me at 18....only half or so, but most of them watched in a month's time so give me credit.

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 22:32 (six months ago) link

My buddy wanted to see this again, so I saw it again. Held up! And while it was a smaller theatre, it was packed.

So I guess they are re-releasing this for a week in black & white for some reason. Has anyone ever preferred the B&W versions of movies, when they do this? "Fury Road," "The Mist," what else? Soderbergh made that B&W silent version of "Raiders of the Lost Ark," I guess that was a cool novelty, but mostly I prefer the original color versions of these gimmicks.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:08 (six months ago) link

Really want to see this, so does my son, but we've had a hard time lining up a screening that works for us.

They also did a black and white version of Logan.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:10 (six months ago) link

I massively prefer the b&w mist

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:15 (six months ago) link

That might be one where I slightly prefer the black and white version, but I didn't have a big problem with the color version.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:23 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Okay so I've seen the new Monsterverse one and SIIIIIIGH

My happily spoiler filled rant follows!

* First, an immediate breaking point for a lot of you: GODZILLA IS BARELY IN THIS. Maybe 15% of screentime or so? A more accurate title is _KONG (feat Godzilla): SOME BULLSHIT_
* Said ape's personal problems are the core of the movie and the first plot point involves whether his dental insurance plan covers tooth replacements. (I am only slightly kidding.) And indeed, a good chunk of his whole arc can best be called 'divorced/widowed/old dude hangs around with a young punk who he teaches the ways of goodness to as part of setting him straight given the bad crowd he's fallen into.' Imagine _Gran Torino_, but without the Torino, and only in ape noises. You will feel your mind melt into mush.
* The most 'I guess I didn't expect that' moment is when a typical-these-days sloooow motion goodie vs baddie personal clash moment is ridiculously interrupted. But it's still not that great.
* The implied body count in the film if you count all the various buildings smashed to bits across the globe is likely in the hundreds of thousands. To say that none of this has the slightest hint of resonance and overwhelming, shocking loss in comparison to something like, I dunno, let me pick something at random, _Godzilla Minus One_ maybe, is to understate. (I grant this is feature not bug with so many of the movies and this new one is long in the works and etc. etc. but...ya know?)
* KINDA speaking of which, a quick sequence in which three bridges are smashed in succession with people on them, well, they couldn't plan for that being all too resonant this week, but having a famed Muslim-majority city get violently trashed...well...ANYWAY MOVING ON.
* The Golden Earring "Twilight Zone" sync, I did like that, I haven't heard that in a while and I always liked that song, and it probably helped it was during the most visually interesting and weird part of the film. The Kiss, Foreigner and Badfinger drops, eh.
* At one point Kong and Godzilla shout at each other across the entire length of the Mediterranean and then one gets to the other five minutes later. Somehow, it is all very unimpressive and uninteresting!
* Various actors are on screen and they do act. I have nothing to say about any of them. (Except Rachel House, who always rules, but is given little to do except run around a headquarters and say things urgently, but awesome glasses, though.)
* Look, the end fight is okay enough, I guess. But that's faint praise.
* This is such a dumbass, haphazard 'franchise.' Even though it wasn't perfect or anything, I have to give a certain credit to Matt Fraction and crew for using the _Monarch_ series to try and retcon the previous four films into a vaguely consistent story instead of one that stumbles from situation to situation at best. But this new film doesn't help things any and probably just makes it all worse again.
* There is no easter egg or anything after the end credits. Just go home. Better yet, don't go.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 00:59 (three months ago) link

Thank you for your service.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:20 (three months ago) link

The advantage of a monthly Alamo pass that pays for itself pretty quickly is that I don't feel like I've shelled out for this thing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:24 (three months ago) link

ugh that sounds like more of the same from the 2014 Evans and 2019 Dougherty movies.

cosigning josh thank you for yr service it sounds dire

how hard is it to make a fucking monster movie ABOUT THE GODDAMN MONSTERS

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 01:30 (three months ago) link

Especially after Minus One got it done.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:43 (three months ago) link

I do still hold Gareth Evans personally responsible for this infernal trend

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 01:50 (three months ago) link

It's never too late to blame Zack Snyder for everything being in slo-mo as well.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 29 March 2024 10:37 (three months ago) link

I'd put that more down to The Matrix (in terms of popularising it over the brim)

nashwan, Friday, 29 March 2024 12:50 (three months ago) link

Wonder why del Toro wasted so much time with Pacific Rim, let alone Frankenstein and Pinocchio, when he probably could have made a really awesome (American) Godzilla.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 15:28 (three months ago) link

wtf Pacific Rim was great

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:18 (three months ago) link

I thought it was fine and saw it once.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:20 (three months ago) link

I don't recall it bringing anything to the table that would not have been brought by Godzilla.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:20 (three months ago) link

i saw it MANY times so i think i am qualified to disagree with “it was fine” :D

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:21 (three months ago) link

Many!!! Hats off.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:24 (three months ago) link

I recall Charlie from Sunny In Philadelphia getting swallowed by a monster? Also, robots controlled by stair masters, something like that.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:27 (three months ago) link

Seen Pacific Rim maybe three times it's as fun as Del Toro Giant Mechs vs Kaiju could be. I like the flawed yet effective-above-its-weight Edwards-directed Godzilla also though.

nashwan, Friday, 29 March 2024 22:32 (three months ago) link

Edwards has a gift for big imagery that often only shows in moments, but they last. Whoever thought up the paratroop drop silhouette moment, whether himself or someone else, had the best brainwave.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:00 (three months ago) link

Godzilla Minus One still isn't streaming and has left theaters; and no streaming date in the forseeable future. I read somewhere the rumor is that there is some IP contract that is keeping it off because of this new shitshow movie.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:18 (three months ago) link

Would watch the hell out of a Godzilla vs Big Man Japan franchise flick, otherwise it's a no from me I'm afraid

carnival of bowls (Matt #2), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:22 (three months ago) link

yeah Mr Veg was telling me it was some weird deal
with Showa & Paramount where if Showa releases the movie theatrically Paramount won’t show it on streaming for x amount of time, like a year?

idk i may have the details all wrong

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:33 (three months ago) link

Showa meaning Toho? (I mean, Toho is happy to take Warner Bros/Legendary money!)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:49 (three months ago) link

ugh yes toho sry

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2024 01:50 (three months ago) link

I watched the new one with my 14yo Godzilla suoerfan son. My expectations were near zero, so to that end it surpassed my expectations and was perfectly entertaining, albeit with a low bar. But all of Ned’s comments above are spot on too.

Even with the threadbare connections from movie to movie, I just don’t think this franchise can sustain multi-film narrative arc. By now the majority of the film takes place in the fictional Hollow Earth realm, and the human characters are on more or less friendly terms with the titular monsters. There’s just no TERROR. And yeah like Ned said, when the action does take place in recognizable cities, the carnage is so cartoonish it’s totally devoid of any sense of what ought to be inconceivable tragedy.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 30 March 2024 05:03 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Minus One on Netflix!

https://gizmodo.com/godzilla-minus-one-netflix-streaming-1851513563

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 June 2024 22:11 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

And we have fancy release coming in September:

https://godzilla.com/products/godzilla-minus-one-blu-ray-deluxe-japan-collectors-edition

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 22:10 (one week ago) link


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