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So I've looked, but couldn't find a thread like this. A thread where we discuss stories that are specifically European, stuff like EU-agreements, differences in power between the countries and the like. Stuff like the failed trading-agreement with Ukraine for example, and what it means for the relationship between EU and Russia. Found this month-old look at how Russia played hardball against the Ukraine: Really, the stuff in the East I find extremely interesting, like, all the geo-political stuff about establishing gas-lines so gazprom can't so easily force Ukraine to do what they're told, etc. Until eastern europe loses it's dependance on Russian gas, I don't think there is that much which can be done, unfortunately.

Frederik B, Sunday, 24 November 2013 21:21 (eight years ago) link

There was a Rolling European Politics thread for 2011, but couldn't find anything since then.

What are good sources for stories about European Issues?

Frederik B, Sunday, 24 November 2013 21:22 (eight years ago) link

any way around russia.....

carla jenkinvingne (nakhchivan), Sunday, 24 November 2013 21:22 (eight years ago) link

Four seconds, damn, that was fast...

Frederik B, Sunday, 24 November 2013 21:23 (eight years ago) link

But yeah, the problem with Azerbaijan is emblematic. Caucasus is among the most vital geo-political areas for Europe, and Armenia has already chosen side for Russia, Georgia is fiercely anti-russian but has massive problems of it's own, and Azerbaijan is a dictatorship, in heated struggle with Armenia. It's a mess. Also, would a pipe around Ukraine be able to help that country with it's energy-problems, or would they just lose out on transport-money on the Russia->EU stuff.

Man, I really don't know, but with Ukraine choosing just a few days ago, it reignited my interest in it all.

Frederik B, Sunday, 24 November 2013 21:36 (eight years ago) link

It's tough. The Russian position has traditionally been that if you don't have a special relationship with the country, you can't expect special favours. Ukraine was paying way below market rate for gas until Tymoshenko (who made her fortune stealing Russian gas) made a big political point of going to Moscow and demanding an end to what she claimed were unacceptable long-term deals. Russia said 'fine, pay the same as everyone else then'. The current crisis was prompted in part by Naftogaz Ukrainy owing Gazprom about €1bn.

There's a huge amount of dishonesty (both in terms of political disingenuousness and straight corruption) where energy is concerned in Ukraine. At the same time, the Russian position is transparently coercive. I have a huge amount of sympathy for Moldova which is in a similar situation through no fault of its own.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 November 2013 22:03 (eight years ago) link

As a side issue, I would be a little surprised if the long game for Ukraine was full EU membership. Other accession countries like Slovakia and Bulgaria have just about managed to polish up their political and financial classes to give the appearance of transparency but corruption is so endemic in Ukraine it is hard to see any real will to opening the country up to more external scrutiny emerging. A favoured nation status that allowed privileged access to European markets while maintaining ties with Russia looks about as far as it might go and I think the Kremlin could probably live with that if it stopped being so pig-headed.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 November 2013 22:20 (eight years ago) link

Well, I read up on a background article in my Danish newspaper, which claimed that Ukraine pay the highest price for gas in Europe. However, they do get paid for transportation costs on gas run through Ukraine on it's way from Russia to Central Europe, which somewhat makes up for it. However, then their situation is that they on the one hand is completely dependant on Russian gas, but has tried to make up for it by relying on the rest of Europe also relying on Russian gas. So if the gasline will be made from Azerbaidjan, then Ukraine might be hit even more than Russia... All in all, I do wonder how sincere Europe actually are about including another massive eastern european nation in our integrated economy.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 20:02 (eight years ago) link

Yes, when Ukraine cancelled their historical contracts they signed a new one that pegged the price of gas to oil. As the price of oil has shot up in the last few years, they pay more than they initially anticipated. It fluctuates at around $400 while Belarus, which still gets subsidised gas, pays about $160.

I agree that it's hard to see the EU giving full membership.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 20:39 (eight years ago) link

Kyiv has really kicked off now. It's stating the obvious but the degree to which the country is divided - politically, economically, linguistically and culturally - can't be overestimated. It sometimes gets lost (or is deliberately not stated) in the news reports that the pro-EU, nationalist politicians have a power base that doesn't extend much further than the West of the country and the rest is either affiliated more with Russia or caught in the middle.

On one side you have a lot of people whose recent forefathers would often have been Polish, who speak a language largely incomprehensible to Russians (and often pretend not to understand Russian), who carry understandable grievances around the holodomor and who want the freedom of movement the EU would bring. On the other you have people whose parents and grandparents would have identified as Russian, who speak Russian, who carry understandable grievances about Ukrainian nationalists siding with the Nazis in WW2 and who rely on commercial ties with their neighbour to the East.

On one hand, it doesn't seem sustainable. On the other, these aren't the people who will be making the decisions, really. Whatever public pressure is brought to bear, the outcome will be the one that suits the strongest pack of oligarchs and that's probably no major changes and uneasy political and financial stagnation.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Monday, 2 December 2013 23:40 (eight years ago) link

I don't know. I was a bit surprised at the news I read about this today. That there was demonstrations in the east as well, that the opposition was interviewed on oligarch-owned tv. It might not be the most nuanced piece, but this is interesting: Unlike the protests of 2004, which focused on installing a particular leader, the current protests stem from the thwarted ambitions of millions of Ukrainians who view integration with Europe as a step toward eliminating rampant corruption, overhauling the justice system and generally improving the standard of living. I hadn't thought of it that way, that the people might see Europe as a way to combat the oligarchs. From what I've heard of Rumania and Bulgaria, they might be dissapointed yet again, though...

Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 04:48 (eight years ago) link

The talk of 'thousands' protesting in Dnipropetrovsk is definitely interesting. The spirit of the Orange Revolution wouldn't have taken off in the same way without a bipartisan hatred of oligarchs (which is why it fell so hard when it turned out to be so corrupt) and I can see this protest transcending political and cultural ties in a limited way too with that as one of the main drivers.

At the same time, there has been nothing much going on in Odessa or Donetsk. Klitschko is an interesting wild card here. I don't know enough about his backers to be able to assess whether he represents a break from politics as usual.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 08:15 (eight years ago) link

Has anyone read about the Russian response? I've only seen that Putin said it was 'more a progrom than a revolution', but this is not a good situation for them. The euraisian customs-union is pretty much dead at this point, right?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:52 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Thirteen dead in a suicide bombing in Volgograd. Same city as the bus bombing earlier this year. It was assumed at the time that the woman who blew up the bus was on route to Moscow and detonated it early in a panic about security checks but it looks like they are choosing softer targets now.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Sunday, 29 December 2013 10:59 (eight years ago) link

Yeah. My paper said it was about using the attention because of Sochi.

Frederik B, Sunday, 29 December 2013 20:59 (eight years ago) link

Jesus, fifteen more dead in a bus explosion in Vologograd today.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Monday, 30 December 2013 07:03 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I caught up with some broadly pro-EU, anti-Yanukovich contacts over from Kiev today and they were not particularly positive about how things are going to turn out over the next few weeks. Most of the reporting identifies a clear division between "the government" and "the opposition" but the reality is a lot more complex than that. Euromaidan is not aligned with the formal opposition - it's its own group with its own set of agendas and no clear leadership structure to negotiate with.

Its quite conceivable that a compromise position could be found with the mainstream political opposition but there is absolutely no guarantee that Euromaidan would back it. There's a very strong probability that they would not settle for anything less than the removal of Yanukovich which is highly unlikely to ever be on the table. For all the talk of a negotiated settlement, it's difficult to see a quick end. People are already talking about comparisons with Northern Ireland.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:40 (eight years ago) link

is ukraine going to cleave in two along the dnieper eventually

Pedro Mba Obiang Avomo est un joueur de football hispano-ganéen (nakhchivan), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:28 (eight years ago) link

I don't think that's impossible. Ukraine without the East and Crimea would be substantially poorer, though, and more heavily reliant on agriculture (rather than heavy industry, mining and tourism as well). Culturally and politically it might make a certain amount of sense but economically it would be really tough.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:33 (eight years ago) link

How much would EU-money for the agriculture help with that?

Frederik B, Monday, 27 January 2014 22:28 (eight years ago) link

I don't know, to be honest. It has definitely helped Poland (to the tune of about 4bn Euro a year) but the Ukrainian economy is in such bad shape as it is, i'm not sure it would make that much of a difference.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:36 (eight years ago) link

Also, another major problem: Where on earth would 'west-ukraine' get the energy they need? No way would Russia just give them the gas they need.

Frederik B, Monday, 27 January 2014 22:44 (eight years ago) link

They might do if any division was seen as otherwise favourable.

I don't know. It's so messy. Even in the Russian-dominated cities out East you'd still have a lot of people who'd identify as Ukrainian and who wouldn't necessarily want to change that or move West. Despite all the schisms, i'd like to think it's salvageable but the Ukrainian political class, for a variety of reasons, doesn't seem capable of addressing any of the issues that could pull the country together (fixing the economy, rooting out corruption and special interests, etc, etc).

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:57 (eight years ago) link

ogmor, Friday, 31 January 2014 09:11 (eight years ago) link

Even after the Orange Revolution, it's surreal to see places in Kyiv i know so well turned into war zones.

This is a notoriously bad Russian tabloid but the graphic is useful:

You can see over time which areas have had government buildings seized (pink) and which are under attack (orange).

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:42 (eight years ago) link

I read about an essay basically blaming this whole mess on the hypocrasy of the EU negotiators. In the deal offered to Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia, etc, it was expected that they would fit pretty much every part of society to an EU-standard, unreasonably fast, but it didn't offer any prospects of future membership of the EU. There is a basic difference between Russia and EU: Russia is playing old-school geo-politics: Grapping as much as possible into it's sphere of influence. EU is only half-heartedly playing the same way, demanding that every one accepts EU rules, but on the other hand pretty isolationist and not in any way willing to for instance open the borders to more eastern europeans. I will try and find this essay, that is probably more useful...

Frederik B, Monday, 3 February 2014 13:12 (eight years ago) link

what the fuck is switzerland doing

Pedro Mba Obiang Avomo est un joueur de football hispano-ganéen (nakhchivan), Monday, 10 February 2014 20:11 (eight years ago) link


sleeve, Thursday, 20 February 2014 01:33 (eight years ago) link

Reports from the last couple of days are really scary, lots of deaths on both sides. There are videos and photos of police using semi-automatic weapons against protesters. The opposition is saying that troops in combat gear were ordered to go to Kyiv.

I don't really know that much about ukrainian internal politics, but it looks like the regional tensions start to show in a big way, with Crimea regional council talking about the possibility of seceding and asking Russia for protection, and Ivano-Frannkivsk council declaring Yanukovytch an illegal president.

antoni, Thursday, 20 February 2014 14:08 (eight years ago) link

Yes, both sides have used live fire now, though both are saying that the other one started it. There have been at least thirty deaths and another 300 seriously injured.

I'm finding it difficult to get a sense of how widely the violence has spread in Kyiv. During the major unrest last month it was business as usual in 99% of the city but this looks considerably worse.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 February 2014 14:16 (eight years ago) link

The company I do business with, which is 20 km or so outside the city to the nw, has closed their office today because it was unsafe for people to come in. The first time since the protests began.

Jaq, Thursday, 20 February 2014 14:36 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, this is extremely scary. But I must admit this time it seems to me as if the demonstrators started it. So close to an agreement on amnesty, and then it exploded.

Frederik B, Thursday, 20 February 2014 14:49 (eight years ago) link

I think it comes back to the idea the opposition is not unified. The moderate demonstrators backed the amnesty and left most of the government buildings while the hardliners dug in at the tent city in Maidan Nezalezhnosti. It's tough to see anything other than the complete overthrow of the government being acceptable to some of them.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 February 2014 14:57 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, that's my impression too.

Frederik B, Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:10 (eight years ago) link

Got some Russian dupes on this fucking thread. The opposition is unified in opposition to the government, which is a criminal conspiracy.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:10 (eight years ago) link

Other than being against the government, how else do you imagine they're united? That's rather important when looking at short and long term solutions.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:14 (eight years ago) link

first half of this 2004 tony judt article on ukraine, turkey & the EU is quite interesting -

ogmor, Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:16 (eight years ago) link

paramilitary pigs using sniper rifles against unarmed civilians deserve a special kind of hell

Joyeux animaux de la misère (nakhchivan), Thursday, 20 February 2014 19:39 (eight years ago) link

Apparently Yanukovich has agreed to going back to the 2004 constitution, a new coalition government and elections in December. No word on whether any of the opposition groups are backing it.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Friday, 21 February 2014 08:43 (eight years ago) link

bless yr country for Clean Feed Records and proper wine corks.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:50 (three years ago) link

I thought there was a cork shortage! to what extent do you think the perhaps overstated tech boom can be put down to govt management or is it totally coincidental?

ogmor, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:55 (three years ago) link

What does we're done for mean? I'd give the EU about ten years the way it's going. Solutions and new ways will need to be looked at.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:06 (three years ago) link

We're done for means: having a common market and currency gives Portugal some slight advantages that helps it keep afloat on the international market (also: EU subsidies). I share your pessimism regarding the EU but unless there's some radical change to the system internationally - not ruling this out - Portugal without EU membership is in deep deep trouble.

ogmor, I think there *is* a shortage right now, the result of devastating forest fires two years ago. But in the long run it's still one of our biggest exports.

I have been told that there has been some good work done in the tech sector, but it's difficult for me to disassociate this from the start-up enterpeneurship culture that was running wild during the crisis years, and which mostly amounted to some rich kids getting to show off while "employing" ppl who were basically drifting from unpaid internship to unpaid internship. I still have friends in associated industries who regularly get paid late, or not at all. Plus, you know, all the usual issues with Silicon Valley tech-utopianism: the Web Summit has that stench all over it, pretty funny to remember they had Ja Rule over there shortly pre-Fyre Festival. This year they tried to get Marine Le Pen before the obvious predictable backlash put the kibosh on that.

At any rate I'd say support for this particular sector has been a constant between the right-wing govt we previously had and the current one: it's a good chance to blabber about Supporting Innovation and get pictures taken with celebrities. For the right-wingers it also had the advantage of seeming like a private sector solution to the crisis; a lot of "make your own app!" type advice given out to unemployed graduates.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:01 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

the EU-Mercosur trade deal not looking like such a great piece of business right now

ogmor, Thursday, 22 August 2019 21:50 (three years ago) link

looks like manu and leo agree

ogmor, Friday, 23 August 2019 13:12 (three years ago) link

& Bolsonaro responds by saying that EU concerns "evoke a colonialist mentality".
Post-colonialism: every nation must be free to destroy its own natural resources.

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 23 August 2019 15:31 (three years ago) link

Nothing says post-colonial like a bunch of white people burning indigenous communities out of their homes.

ShariVari, Friday, 23 August 2019 15:40 (three years ago) link

layers and layers of colonizers

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 23 August 2019 15:41 (three years ago) link

Has the EU-Mercorsur deal been cancelled or is it all just liberals shouting into the void again?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 08:51 (three years ago) link

good martin sandbu article in the FT here. Trump’s trade war, China slowdown and Brexit all pose a serious threat to the stability of the euro (and therefore europe?). It’s in Germany’s hands, but will depend on a politics ability to wean themselves off a historical policy of running a trade surplus, which does no one, least of all other eurozone countries, but including themselves, any favours.

Paywalled tho so i put it in a pinboard note here.

goes well with this accompaniment to adam tooze’s recent survey of the past four decades or so of German politics in the LRB.

As a semi-hegemonic state within the eurozone, it’s pretty worrying that the political economy of Germany is so dysfunctional.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 09:55 (three years ago) link

four weeks pass...

spanish supreme court have decided franco's getting his grave downsized, you love to see it

ogmor, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:29 (three years ago) link

just found out meades did a franco building doc last month that I missed, perfect!

ogmor, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:34 (three years ago) link

it was good and scary and angry

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:35 (three years ago) link

Supreme Courts are on fire today.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:36 (three years ago) link

yeah everything I know about the valley of the fallen makes it seem like a nightmare

ogmor, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:39 (three years ago) link

i'd prefer desecrated but downsized will do for now i s'pose

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:46 (three years ago) link

Yeah, good day for Supreme Courts. I need to see that doc.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 11:33 (three years ago) link

Flemish parties toughen migration stance in coalition agreement
Flemish nationalist Jan Jambon announced the three-party deal Monday.

In the UK there are gammons, in Belgium there is Jambon itself.

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 30 September 2019 15:51 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Great that we all learned the right lessons from the last crisis and that the EU is showing skeptics what for by pulling together in solidarity!

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:27 (two years ago) link

This is playing with fire. Can't see the EU surviving this.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:44 (two years ago) link

It'll survive it, but it's another idiotically selfish move that's bound to decrease its life expectancy in the long run.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 14:45 (two years ago) link

Unlike you to be so positive Pom.

But yes it won't collapse overnight, but it gives the anti-EU forces more ammunition. All little steps along the way.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:49 (two years ago) link

seems that germany is going to be the death of it

ogmor, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:54 (two years ago) link

Next Bundestag election will be held some time next year. A proper shift to the left is still possible, but I'm not exactly getting my hopes up.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:00 (two years ago) link

Merkel seemed to be the only thing keeping the fascists at bay, so I'm worried.

I've said before here that I can't imagine Portugal ever going full euroskeptic, despite having been dealt a very rough hand during the last crisis, because the prospects of economic survival outside the EU are just so grim. But if this carries on that just might do it.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:07 (two years ago) link

Same in Romania, but we're expendable anyway.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:16 (two years ago) link

Hungarian parliament has made Orban dictator

Hungarian Parliament passes bill that gives PM Orbán unlimited power & proclaims:

- State of emergency w/o time limit
- Rule by decree
- Parliament suspended
- No elections
- Spreading fake news + rumors: up to 5 yrs in prison
- Leaving quarantine: up to 8 yrs in prison#COVID19

— Balazs Csekö (@balazscseko) March 30, 2020

ogmor, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:48 (two years ago) link

We briefly touched on this in the outbreak thread. The EU is afraid of seeming dictatorial and encroaching on the autonomy of its member states, at the risk of condoning a bona fide fascist dictatorship. This is simply not a risk worth taking, even if the usual suspects – starting with Poland – will undoubtedly side with Orbán in order to safeguard their own Blut und Boden bullshit.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:57 (two years ago) link

The EU seem to be dictatorial when it comes to budgets and issuing bonds though..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:00 (two years ago) link

As long as Germany continues to call the shots…

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:07 (two years ago) link

European governments who think that a massive shock in the range of 12 to 20% of GDP can be absorbed with a few new loans from the European Stability Mechanism (whose total available capital is a paltry €410bn–just 3.4% of Eurozone GDP) are deluding themselves.

— Nicholas Mulder (@njtmulder) March 30, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 10:01 (two years ago) link

"The Dutch" is trending on twitter, so you know what that means... I think their stance is appalling, it's entirely inappropriate posturing during the worst crisis imaginable, by both Rutte and Merkel.

This otm basically:

the arguments against this are arguments against the EU

ogmor, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 10:43 (two years ago) link

It has been argued (in the last crisis) that the half-dozen northern countries opposing fiscal expansion should split as a bloc and I can see that road being mapped out this year.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 10:57 (two years ago) link

what would france do?

ogmor, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 10:57 (two years ago) link

An interesting one for Macron, a guy who has very little ideology.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 11:00 (two years ago) link

what would jupiter do?

ogmor, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 11:20 (two years ago) link

The EU put out a statement condemning the abuse of emergency powers - that stopped short of explicitly naming Hungary. Hungary has just endorsed it.

It felt so empty without us ... So we joined the statement. #European #values are common to us all.

— Judit Varga (@JuditVarga_EU) April 2, 2020

ShariVari, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:17 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

57-year-old Romanian man, one of 40,000 flown in from Eastern Europe to work on farms during the lockdown, dead from Corona he picked up in Germany.

— Greggs Truther (@invisibleste) April 17, 2020


calzino, Friday, 17 April 2020 15:59 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Big surprise in Berlin state elections, where exit polls show the Greens of mayoral candidate Bettina Jarasch outperform predictions to come out top

— Philip Oltermann (@philipoltermann) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:49 (one year ago) link

Initial results indicate that Berlin voted to expropriate and socialize around 11% of the apartments in the city from mega-landlord 😭

— nathan ma (@nthnashma) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:49 (one year ago) link

and Graz just elected a Communist mayor.

— jamie k (@jkbloodtreasure) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:17 (one year ago) link

Germany's first openly trans MPs, both Greens 🇩🇪💚🏳️‍⚧️

— Ross Greer (@Ross_Greer) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:52 (one year ago) link

The SPD has scored a very modest success in this election, if one can even call it that. And it is NOT some kind of youthful Corbyn-surge but a lurch towards SPD of older ex-Merkel voters. Old voters, bulk of electorate, are decisive in explaining small gains.

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 22:24 (one year ago) link

You are a refugee, desperate, on a stranded boat on the Mediterranean. Do you let yourself and your family drown or starve or die of thirst, or do you try to steer the boat - and face 146 years in prison?

— James B (@piercepenniless) September 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 07:39 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Wonder if the EU will survive the recession we're going into.

We are staring down the first global recession not led by US since World War II. It’s near impossible US doesn’t follow and it’s nearly certain we are making it worse.

— Claudia Sahm (@Claudia_Sahm) September 22, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 September 2022 11:41 (one week ago) link

I wrote for @thenation about the Italian election, how rising energy prices could upset the far right’s agenda in government, and the surprising (partial) recovery or the Five Star Movement

— David Broder (@broderly) September 22, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 September 2022 11:59 (six days ago) link

Meloni will call the pope a globalist and cut off the church like how Florida taxed Disney… then the pope will make a Netflix deal where he’s interviewed by Michelle Obama who will ask if there will ever be a woman pope and the pope will respond “stranger things have happened”

— Don Hughes (@getfiscal) September 26, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 September 2022 09:05 (three days ago) link

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