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i was thinking about creating a list of stuff that seems like it comes from the world of Breaking Bad somehow, or gets at similar themes.

For my money the original Breaking Bad was Charley Varrick. Walter Matthau plays a smalltime cropduster who turns to bank robbery, together with a hot-headed younger partner, all under a big Western sky.

Or for another angle on things, Canada by Richard Ford could easily be Flynn's version of events, for anybody who wonders about the fallout for him and Holly.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 October 2013 10:28 (seven years ago) link

Must check out that Richard Ford...

Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Monday, 14 October 2013 10:35 (seven years ago) link

I've been meaning to read Canada for a while, will bump that up my list.

Matt DC, Monday, 14 October 2013 11:13 (seven years ago) link

fiction-wise, some of james crumley's novels prob come closest to the BB 'spirit'

Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 October 2013 11:31 (seven years ago) link

It's been years since I saw it, but at first BB reminded me of Blood Simple, the first Coen brothers movie, which is also kind of a very dark comedy of errors mixed with a violent thriller. I guess Fargo is kinda similar too, in fact it's not hard to imagine the Coen bros being an inspiration for the tone of BB.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 October 2013 11:39 (seven years ago) link

BB >> Blood Simple

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 October 2013 12:07 (seven years ago) link

Tuomas maybe it's the narcissism of small differences, because i can see why you'd compare BB with the coen brothers, but i mainly can't stand the coen brothers while i really love BB. i think BB is more sincere, less self-impressed, more interested in character

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 October 2013 14:06 (seven years ago) link

but hey, whatever gets you through

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 October 2013 14:09 (seven years ago) link

Have you seen Blood Simple? I suggested that one exactly because (as far as I can recall) it's not as "Coeny" as some of the later films, it's not so self-impressed and has less artifice, therefore making it closer to BB. (Though I think BB does have it's share of artifice and self-impressed moments too, just think of the fakeout they pulled with the season 2 teddy bear cold opens.)

Tuomas, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:11 (seven years ago) link

I began a rewatch of The Wire, which completely put the thought of Breaking Bad out of my head.

Frederik B, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:11 (seven years ago) link

No Country for Old Men is completely in line with Breaking Bad.

pplains, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:12 (seven years ago) link

Lol @ this thread! Have you read Methland?

Untt (La Lechera), Monday, 14 October 2013 14:16 (seven years ago) link

wow, Charley Varrick sounds great!

brio, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:21 (seven years ago) link

and James Crumley! and Methland!

Great thread already

brio, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:22 (seven years ago) link

"when he runs out of dumb luck he's always got genius to fall back on"

brio, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:25 (seven years ago) link

Somebody could probably do a decent one of these for Breaking Bad.

pplains, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:34 (seven years ago) link

Also recommended tv --the series about Pablo Escobar (Patron del Mal) was quite good. I never finished watching it because the episodes were dvr-ing all screwy and I got sick of dealing with it, but the show was muuuuuch more tastefully produced than your average novela, if that's what you might imagine (if you watch Spanish lg tv, which most ppl probably don't?)

Anyway I'm sure it has English subtitles. It was pretty good.

Untt (La Lechera), Monday, 14 October 2013 18:10 (seven years ago) link

I'd call Canada minor compared with Ford's more celebrated books but "minor" for Ford is anybody else's major

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 October 2013 18:18 (seven years ago) link

not the same, but watching the first season of Orphan Black has helped to scratch the itch. the pacing & structure seem influenced by BB, like there were will be some crazy unexpected violent turn but it won't come as a cliffhanger like most shows would do it, it'll be 15 minutes before the end of the episode and then the end will be other thing entirely.

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 14 October 2013 18:21 (seven years ago) link

that's funny, I mentioned something on the BB thread about the show reminding me of '70s caper movies and the last one of those I watched was probably Charley Varrick. I didn't make the direct connection though. Is that the one where the bank is in a trailer and they steal the whole bank?

wk, Monday, 14 October 2013 18:23 (seven years ago) link

Here's the Patron del Mal trailer with subtítulos en English

Untt (La Lechera), Monday, 14 October 2013 18:52 (seven years ago) link

charley varrick is fucking awesome

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 14 October 2013 18:53 (seven years ago) link


ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Monday, 14 October 2013 19:07 (seven years ago) link

Charley Varrick is so great

Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 October 2013 19:10 (seven years ago) link

Patron del Mal looks up my street, thanks for that. Wonder why there hasn't been a big Hollywood biopic of Escobar yet.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 14 October 2013 19:58 (seven years ago) link

oh the one with the trailer I was thinking of is Bank Shot

wk, Monday, 14 October 2013 20:15 (seven years ago) link

haha holy crap, watching Charley Varrick again and it all takes place IN NEW MEXICO. at one point charley is like, well, dunno if i can really fly us all the way across the border, i haven't done fancy flying in a long time and his hot-headed young partner is like WHAT GOOD ARE YOU THEN, that full-on utilitarian view of others as parts for the machine of your own schemes. and charley pulls off all these walter white moves, like switching dental records.. SO DOPE. it really is one for the fully-paid up member of Team Walt.

maybe something we haven't touched yet is something that captures the pressure cooker domestic drama of micro-lies that S2 embodied (and which filtered out through the rest of the show)..

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 October 2013 21:37 (seven years ago) link

i.e. ... Far From Heaven??

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 October 2013 22:09 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

pplains, Sunday, 17 November 2013 17:49 (seven years ago) link

Watched Charley Varrick the other night, fun movie.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 17 November 2013 18:46 (seven years ago) link

Joe Don Baker is always so monumental

You just know he was always smelling faintly of beernuts, farts and cologne

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 17 November 2013 19:45 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 December 2013 22:38 (seven years ago) link

my hand says fuck you for showing me that

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 01:19 (seven years ago) link

Ripoff of

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

tbh I cheated like hell on DrMeth and downloaded an autoclicker app - who has the time to hire hundreds of thousands of dealers?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 01:23 (seven years ago) link

a friend just told me he's been hired for the writing staff on Better Call Saul. He's super talented, so I've got hopes for that show.

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 01:55 (seven years ago) link

clicking bad has given me as much fun as gta5 and the new batman combined, mega thanks for that tracer

NI, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:18 (seven years ago) link

can't.... resist....

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:10 (seven years ago) link


Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:17 (seven years ago) link

can't decide whether to play until I've bought the entire senate, then make enough money to buy both the mega-mart and the industrial complex in two consecutive clicks - either one of them seems like the end, right, though if you had the whole senate maybe not

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:54 (seven years ago) link

pfft that's amateur level, I'm working on buying a planet

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 18:21 (seven years ago) link

so i guess all i'm doing today is playing this game with "for the love of money" on repeat

da croupier, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:41 (seven years ago) link

pfft that's amateur level, I'm working on buying a planet

I have two stars, there's really a planet? given that the mega-mart increases risk 55% I figured it was instant game over

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 20:00 (seven years ago) link

I just bought a Meth Star and I'm saving up for some Space Mules next. I have $1.39 trillion in the bank. Just another day in the life...

ʎɐpunsunɾɐɔ (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 20:02 (seven years ago) link

ok fuck it I'm going for the methmart

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 20:12 (seven years ago) link

Taking this all the way baby. Every time I think it's gonna end it gets more cosmic

(I still think we're all actually mining bitcoins for the programmers)

Brakhage, Thursday, 5 December 2013 21:07 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 5 January 2014 20:45 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

is this is a more lighthearted comedy series featuring characters we know wind up having to abruptly escape their entire life or with an incidental and unceremonious death

conrad, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 11:42 (seven years ago) link

I'm enbarrased to admit I dont think I ever twigged that the murdered Pollos Brother was his love interest partner. Does this suggest he also had a thing for Gale?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

Him = Gus there, obv

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 00:04 (two years ago) link

Me either

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 01:20 (two years ago) link

Oh here we go, in an interview with Vince Gilligan:

Gus is a man who had one Achilles Heel, as far as we know: His burning desire for vengeance against the people who killed Max, who was very important to him. We don’t tend to nail things down on Breaking Bad. It’s fun to be a little mysterious, and it’s nice to have the audience come up with backstories on their own. Having said that, I personally think Max was more than just a friend to Gus. I think they probably were lovers. And therefore it was understandably a very crushing, terrible loss for Gus, one that he would never forget. That one bit of emotion that he allowed himself ultimately proved to be his undoing.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:13 (two years ago) link

never picked up on that either tbh!

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 09:25 (two years ago) link

yes it isn't directed said out loud on-screen but rewatching the scene where max is killed i feel gus's reaction is too extreme not to be about a lover or actual family: he pretty much throws himself at hector (smoking gun still in fist) in grief and rage, as if to say "if you don't kill me i'll kill you" -- it's so out of (later) stone-cold controlled character that i felt the off-page emotional math was allowable, given they're plainly not actual biological brothers. so this might be esposito's on-set improvised reading on the day, as much as gilligan's pre-written backstory

the thing i couldn't decode in the same scene tho is when don eladio says to gus, "i didn't kill because i know who you are" (or "what you are"): who or what is he? is this a ref to his mysterious chilean past or his actual identity? (is this something explained later? i am slowly rewatching but it's interesting that i don't remember the exact unfolding of the story, so much as the gathering dread that any given scene i'm watching is going to end horribly… i mean lol many of them do but i feel like i'm intuiting a half-recalled awfulness more than remembering the actual narrative outcomes

mark s, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 10:11 (two years ago) link

directed s/b directly

mark s, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 10:12 (two years ago) link

Weird, I could've sworn it was explicitly stated/very strongly implied that they were lovers, but perhaps mine was just one of several possible interpretations.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 11:21 (two years ago) link

I assume the "mysterious Chilean past" meant that Gus was ex-Pinochet regime, another reason not to be fooled by his surface fabulousness

Frank Pembleton is a good counterpoint to "devil always gets the best tunes" theory: great actor, fascinating character, flawed but totally one of the good guys

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 11:26 (two years ago) link

in the max-killing scene -- a few moments before max is killed -- gus says "i love this guy" (or something like that), but at that point it isn't clear (i don't think) that it's not just an expression of extreme buddyness with his cooking pal to convince don eladio how serious they are as business partners with the cartel

fairly sure max has never been mentioned before this scene -- haven't rewatched far enough to recall if he's subsequently mentioned (or appears in flashback)

mark s, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 11:27 (two years ago) link

I wish Skyler had gotten more iconic moments than "I fucked Ted" (which is admittedly the best)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 11:29 (two years ago) link

Yeah I got the impression Gus's past was explicitly not explained and just left a menacing idea hanging.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:32 (two years ago) link

^^^ yeah it was never explained

my mind immediately went to Pinochet too but eh who knows

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:02 (two years ago) link

Did Gus mention a wife and kid(s) at some point? I feel like it came up when Walt went to dinner at his place. Not that this precludes anything involving his former partner, and might have been for respectable businessman cover story reasons but still.

joygoat, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:21 (two years ago) link

think vince gilligan's take is pretty definitive. gus and max were very close, probably lovers, though this isn't spelled out

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:25 (two years ago) link

Well, hector does say they should be called “the butt brothers”

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:44 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

there is absolutely no need for this but if Gilligan has a great story to tell then oh well

steven, soda jerk (sic), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:15 (two years ago) link

when Better Call Saul was announced people had the same reaction and that turned out pretty well

I have a hard time figuring out what sort of interesting storyline they could pull off given the way BB ended - I mean, the last three episodes closed the book about as hard as it possibly could. still confident they'll pull off something brilliant though, that's what they do

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:59 (two years ago) link

people had the same reaction

I was totally down for an Odenkirk / Gilligan half-hour sitcom

steven, soda jerk (sic), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:45 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I can't believe I only just found out about this! And there probably is no need but it should be totally worth watching based on what Gilligan did with BCS

paolo, Sunday, 3 March 2019 12:22 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I had never made the connection that Tuco was also in the Chupacabra episode of the X-files until today.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:42 (one year ago) link

*googles* a Shiban ep!

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 22 April 2019 00:36 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

oh god I forgot the birthday handjob in the first episode

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 20 September 2019 06:30 (one year ago) link

new trailer:

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:45 (one year ago) link

If this one's good I want the Francesca Liddy movie.

WmC, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:29 (one year ago) link

momentarily wondered if Mike Francesa had been cast as G. Gordon LIddy

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 26 September 2019 12:01 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Took me a couple of tries to figure out which thread I posted on the first time I watched the this...I guess here; I thought I posted more often, though. Anyway, through three seasons of a rewatch; still consistently good-to-great, though not, for me, as good as Mad Men (which it beat 71-61 in a poll thread).

One thing made me laugh the other night, one of the episodes after Skyler has broached her car-wash idea to Walt. You see her sitting at her computer--careful, methodical, cautious Skyler, the one who realized that Laser Tag was an awful idea and that they needed a well thought out cover story--and she's googling "money laundering."

Season 3 was 2010. Was the world's attitude towards one's internet footprint that much more casual then, or was this just a logistical gaffe on the show's part?

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:16 (one year ago) link

the former imo.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:49 (one year ago) link

they cut the shot of her setting up a VPN and opening an incognito tab, for time

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:51 (one year ago) link

Nah, I think it’s in keeping with the character. Skylar’s bad at being bad.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 21:40 (one year ago) link

I ordered a pricey sofa online two nights ago, and both my credit cards were turned down. I phoned Visa, and after about ten minutes on the line, they unlocked the account; they said they flagged it because I'd recently moved, and, I'm guessing, also because I rarely make large purchases on credit.

My Mastercard was still locked as of today--I hadn't tried to use the card again, but I wasn't able to log into my account, so I realized that was the problem. Another phone call, lots more questions. When the guy had me identify recent purchases, he got to something called Wish. It didn't ring a bell, so he told me it was an Amazon-type retailer.

Me: "Yes! I bought a Los Pollos Hermanos T-shirt the other day."
Him: "Breaking Bad?"

It was a great paradox. It was like we bonded over the T-shirt, and he was more ready to trust that I was who I said I was. On the other hand, probably not the best thing to come up when you're trying to prove that you're not someone who'd commit credit-card fraud.

clemenza, Saturday, 4 January 2020 04:34 (one year ago) link

Anna Gunn starts to look so much like Courtney Love towards the end of season 4. I googled the two names together and found at least one person who noticed the same thing, but I thought I'd find more.

clemenza, Sunday, 5 January 2020 14:05 (one year ago) link

Lydia ordering tea early in the final season--"You're really running me through my paces here"--is so funny.

clemenza, Monday, 6 January 2020 06:30 (one year ago) link

i've spent the last couple months slowly going through this show. i adore it, but i've had to take a few breaks from it -- while it's completely absorbing and surprisingly hilarious at times, i find it really intense and sometimes almost too nerve-racking to watch.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 January 2020 06:54 (one year ago) link

after watching the first few episodes i told a co-worker that i'd found the bathtub/acid stuff a little hard to stomach and she kind of laughed, like, oh you have NO idea what's coming.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 January 2020 06:56 (one year ago) link

Not sure what she meant by that, the bathtub/acid thing is by far the grossest moment in the entire series.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Monday, 6 January 2020 08:06 (one year ago) link

Grossest but far from most immoral.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 January 2020 08:09 (one year ago) link

i'm about to finish season 4 but yeah i haven't encountered anything else that gross yet, at least a few moments that i found more horrifying tho

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 January 2020 08:38 (one year ago) link

I rewatched the entire series when C was a baby, so coming up two years ago, and found it just as compelling and unsettling second time around. My sense of Walt having always been an asshole got stronger.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 January 2020 13:07 (one year ago) link

the bathtub scene is definitely the grossest moment of the series but far from the most intense - I'd say that goes to the box cutter scene, maybe the most nerve wracking thing I've ever seen on television.

Anna Gunn starts to look so much like Courtney Love towards the end of season 4.

I dunno how this came off in real time but it was strange watching the show on Netflix and just seeing her face drastically change from one episode to the next

frogbs, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:00 (one year ago) link

it was like that in real time. one season she just showed up with a totally different face.

Nhex, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:06 (one year ago) link

Seeing as JD is working his way through this for the first time, I'll hold off on anything too specific for the time being--was going to quote a great Saul line from Season 5.

clemenza, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:46 (one year ago) link

The guy who plays Uncle Jack gives a really good performance--as does Jesse Plemons, who's just about the politest cold-blooded killer ever (I think Jesse calls him a psycho Opie or something like that).

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 23:11 (one year ago) link

Just looked him up. Michael Bowen--wow, didn't recognize him from Jackie Brown and Magnolia.

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 23:13 (one year ago) link

Don't even think about making a move on my territory.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:32 (one year ago) link

Just started rewatching Community with my daughter and Badger is in it!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:49 (one year ago) link

wait til you get to Season 5

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 05:07 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

— Heyzazel (@Hayzazel) April 5, 2021

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:31 (one week ago) link

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