贾樟柯导演的《天注定》| a touch of sin, directed by jia zhangke

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乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:02 (seven years ago) link

surrealist action movie? if so, enticed

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:09 (seven years ago) link

i would say 'no' to both those descriptors

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:10 (seven years ago) link

post a more representative jpg then!

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:14 (seven years ago) link

the other good jpgs were too spoiler-y

i would say that this film is actually a little bit too straightforward

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:16 (seven years ago) link

didn't have enough creativity, innovation or artistry? shame

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:19 (seven years ago) link

in its violence? (haven't seen) xp

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:20 (seven years ago) link

well i wouldn't want to spoil it for you, morbz!

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:20 (seven years ago) link

hes not the sort of director i would expect you to like

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:20 (seven years ago) link

re the maximalism discussion the other day

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:21 (seven years ago) link

i'm not always maximalist! especially with film. cf bresson's diary of a country priest

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:21 (seven years ago) link

Looking forward to it. Still Life one of my favorite movies of the last half decade.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:22 (seven years ago) link

diary of a country priest is a lot more agonized and compressed than jia tends to be

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:23 (seven years ago) link

yeah this was really strong. can we just jump into things that vaguely qualify as spoilers? like i will try not to spoil in case people are still clicking into this thread with reckless curiosity, but. when i am thinking about this since seeing it it's about the structure. i remember a half hour in thinking about how the subsequent depiction of the guy pictured above had retroactively made sense of how clumsily he had been tossing the tomato in the opening shot. that his kinda garrulousness & imprecision righted this strangely played scene. & the rest of the film is weighted with similar care and balance, i think - i'm pretty sure that some of what makes the last section (/chapter/w/e) so affecting is how we're primed for it, & what relief it seems to promise; we've had to steel for more violence, never avoided, just awkwardly delayed and then delivered, these flinching shots of it, & then we're in something that is suddenly operating in this incredibly gentle register (maybe not dissimilar to the middle section of hou's three times?, though maybe that's a lazy comparison). i wondered if the last section could, as a standalone thing, work as a pretty sobering dispatch, but i think some of its effect is tied up in the structure of the film.

i can see the arguments for it being too straightforward, sure. narratively it's pretty linear, i think it's that you're fairly claustrophobically entrapped in whichever thread it is pursuing while it happens.

i guess we can see which direction this thread goes in but the other things i thought about this were pretty simplistic reactions to the sorta modest dystopia it constructs of working in china. i don't know if it's still cause i erroneously think of jia as being intrinsically somewhat ~underground~ - which i'm aware he with various levels of cultural irony isn't - but each shot of this that testified to any significant investment in production really wowed me; plane landings, factory production lines, workers outside the factory. it seemed astonishingly bold, prominent.

schlump, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:24 (seven years ago) link

give the word and I'll watch a Jia movie & report back. which one?

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:25 (seven years ago) link

the world?

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:25 (seven years ago) link

or maybe the one named after the joy division album

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:25 (seven years ago) link

the world is the only other jia i've seen and it was good though probably WHOOSH'd over my 20 yr old self... been meaning to check out still life / unknown pleasures since forever

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:26 (seven years ago) link

the world is the reason i found myself at the chinese ethnic minority park in beijing one hot summer day. : |

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:27 (seven years ago) link

i feel like you would really like platform imago but it sorta sucks to not be able to see it at a cinema, it's a little long & is a pretty film but in a kinda spatial way probably ill-served by small screens

has anybody seen pickpocket? i've always meant to watch it

schlump, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:28 (seven years ago) link

Platform (2000) is epic but may be hard to get hold of.

Alfred, Still Life was 2006 ('08 in US).

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:30 (seven years ago) link

morbs, this is also playing at lincoln plaza cinemas in case that's more convenient than IFC

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:31 (seven years ago) link

Platform (2000) is epic but may be hard to get hold of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piIASNlqjq0

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:34 (seven years ago) link

as schlump said and David Lynch might, don't watch that fucking movie on YouTube.

(meh, unless it's impossible any other way i guess)

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:37 (seven years ago) link

I've got a computer with a large screen

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:39 (seven years ago) link

i've got a fast car

乒乓, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:39 (seven years ago) link

*farts*

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:40 (seven years ago) link

You have 5 further minutes to complain while I grab a bite to eat and then it's movietime

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:40 (seven years ago) link

prepared to relax my standards in light of the positive attitude of anybody who is just like let me fix a snack before i sit down & watch a two & a half hour chinese period piece on youtube, pretty sure i delayed my more ideal & comfortable viewings for a long time

schlump, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:42 (seven years ago) link

id suggest getting a k4r4g4rg4 invite and downloading the bluray rips of his recent films but enjoy the vhs quality 5th gen pyrotechnics if u must

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:51 (seven years ago) link

its more real & truer to the spirit of life in an agrarian commune in podunks china 30 years ago, anyway

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:53 (seven years ago) link

i've only seen unknown pleasures and i remember loving it, lots of motorcycles on new highways in exurban hell iirc? at that time i was just getting into movies with long-duration shots and a lot of spatial exploration and respecting jonathan rosenbaum for whatever awful reason. i'm still into the kind of thing that gently lulls you to sleep basically, a note of urban discontent is ok as long as the soundtrack isn't too loud, i don't see a listing here for this but i wouldn't be surprised if it came for like four days in january or something, keeping my fingers crossed.

xp haha

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:56 (seven years ago) link

respecting jonathan rosenbaum for whatever awful reason

nah he's the best one

my stream has had a loading issue 8 minutes in but great so far. hopefully this is the last update for the next 2 and a bit hours

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 20:01 (seven years ago) link

no imago that is a long take

schlump, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 20:01 (seven years ago) link

get blunted 2 fuq and enjoy the show imago lad http://i.imgur.com/ED9eRuO.gif

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 20:08 (seven years ago) link

Still Life is amazing

imago, some of jia's films are p cheap to buy in eg fopp, and are available to rent legit from lovefilm

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 20:13 (seven years ago) link

yeah pretty extraordinary

unformed immediate thoughts: moved from a fairly static first half to a crazy, delocated second. it became all about departures, arrivals, jarring cuts between hairstyles & band-members. the Culture Team literally and figuratively sailing away down the river, changing its name, heading even into the desert before turning around and going back. the fetishisation of movement, of trains, as promised early on, becomes a baffling and humbling world of missed connections

some wonderful shots. especially liked one early on as our bespectacled protagonist and his maybe-girlfriend have a conversation obscured by the corner of a building, each disappearing behind it & subsequently emerging in alternation. also loved the front-of-cab shots (arrivals, departures) and the increasingly allegorical style

the most haunting character obviously sanming - his central cameo crucial to the entire movie & practically made me cry as he walked off - although it is also noticeable how the two female leads respond to the pressures of both modernity & established creed - they're extremely sensitive to the double-pull, although it is zhong who follows the path (of what rapidly turns out to be exploitation, both by her buss and her commitment-shy boyfriend) furthest before reaching combustion point and disappearing

sanming of course the victim of china old and new, the servant to all masters

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:38 (seven years ago) link

mmmm sounds like some good weed!!

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:40 (seven years ago) link

o hush. also what ya got vs rosenbaum

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:41 (seven years ago) link

nice
i hope u now go on to become ilx' maven of contemporary chinese cinema
lord knows apart from taiwan i am not that well versed

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:57 (seven years ago) link

A MAVEN

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:32 (seven years ago) link

LJ PLEASE BECOME A MAVEN

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:33 (seven years ago) link

rosenbaum is fine, i just stopped caring

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:33 (seven years ago) link

he retired

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:34 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:35 (seven years ago) link

supreme film critic but i seldom read him now because.......it's on a blog

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:35 (seven years ago) link

his reader archive (along with camper and to some degree kehr) was my most important formative influence wrt film as a teenager

Chinese Taipei (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:36 (seven years ago) link

he's the only film critic I'd say I trust. had my david thompson phase but now I regard him as more a very talkative fellow fan

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:37 (seven years ago) link

my mavenhood is limited to a very few topics, at least within an ILX context. probably only cricket

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:44 (seven years ago) link

and pizza

check yr poptimism (imago), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 23:47 (seven years ago) link

i didnt know she was his lovermuse

socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:31 (seven years ago) link

too bad prince won't let that one out of the vault

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 17:14 (seven years ago) link

Let The Bullets Fly? Yeah that was trash

― 龜, Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:32 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't say "trash" but it didn't add up to much

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 17:15 (seven years ago) link

that's a weird headline for an article that's mostly about trade protections etc.

btw european cinemas worried about this re. american films in silent/early sound eras. well, european film producers did. the distributors were happy to cash in on distributing/exhibiting american movies. actually one reason france's film industry was fairly dysfunctional in those days was this split in priorities between producers and distributors/exhibitors. similarly i'm sure that the folks who own taiwan's cinemas would love to have popular chinese films to show (I don't really count jia's films in that group though).

espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:26 (seven years ago) link

finally released on DVD in a couple weeks

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:32 (seven years ago) link

and blu-ray I hope?

espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:35 (seven years ago) link

My write-up, from PIX: http://centrifugue.blogspot.com/2014/04/cphpix-day-5-touch-of-sin-bastards-real.html

Liked it. But I knew I would. Loved how many stories was put into it, on the margins of the four main tales.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 11:29 (seven years ago) link

Godo review, Frederik.

This was as a whole terrific but the conventional moments -- the lovers discussing their future over tea; the effete boy and his prostitute girlfriend -- were a drag. The horse-beating scenes were among the more wrenching I've seen in years.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 00:18 (seven years ago) link

"the effete boy and his prostitute girlfriend"

That part of the story is absolute fire.

xelab, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 00:23 (seven years ago) link

The brothel scenes and Party chic worked.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 00:33 (seven years ago) link

for anyone in/near DC, this is showing at the Freer Gallery in a couple of weeks, with Jia and Zhao Tao in attendance:

https://www.asia.si.edu/events/films.asp?trumbaEmbed=view%3Devent%26eventid%3D109070385

Aglet, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 21:31 (seven years ago) link

On netflix instant

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 22:35 (seven years ago) link

for anyone in/near DC, this is showing at the Freer Gallery in a couple of weeks, with Jia and Zhao Tao in attendance:

https://www.asia.si.edu/events/films.asp?trumbaEmbed=view%3Devent%26eventid%3D109070385

― Aglet, Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:31 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

On netflix instant

― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:35 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

film culture in a nutshell, folks.

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 23:11 (seven years ago) link

lol yeah.

in my defense i've written that date down and i'm gonna request that day off work to go.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 April 2014 00:01 (seven years ago) link

oh, i didn't mean it in a bad way.

espring (amateurist), Thursday, 10 April 2014 01:33 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...

got tix for a screening of this next week, woohoo

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 November 2014 17:23 (six years ago) link

That is sweet and sick

, Friday, 14 November 2014 17:27 (six years ago) link

dunno what the venue will be like, it's a new-ish cafe-bar-performance space and i'm told it's pretty compact but a chance to watch this on a decent-sized screen is v. welcome, Hull's not been great for foreign language movies the last few years

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 November 2014 17:29 (six years ago) link

This is definitely a big screen movie. God it is so shit Wessie side for these type of films, you have to travel to Manchester, Bradford or Leeds for foreign language movies. It is always too much train + bus action for my liking or finance.

xelab, Friday, 14 November 2014 23:06 (six years ago) link

I saw Platform at the end of the Chinese film fest - it was interestingly told, how Jia meshed both the personal lives of members of the company and the gradual shift of their repertoire. Change and more change. I was v tired that afternoon so didn't take it all in but I'd want to see it again anyway.

Fantastic thread, didn't know there was one for Touch of Sin, still one of the better films of the year.

I would say its still worth a watch on a DVD. You won't get be able to take in its look however it has a lot else to it.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 November 2014 10:11 (six years ago) link

Touch of Sin was perhaps my number 1 film last year, would still go in a top 5 of the decade easily. Perhaps my favorite Jia.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 15 November 2014 16:39 (six years ago) link

South Florida didn't get it until February so it's going in my best list.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 November 2014 16:42 (six years ago) link

Very great film, but after watching The World I might prefer that one. Have the earlier trilogy on dvd on top of my tv-set.

Frederik B, Saturday, 15 November 2014 16:55 (six years ago) link

i really liked this

think the surround sound in the "cinema" may've been fucked? unless there's deliberate fuckery with the level of the dialogue in the Dahai section?

first thoughts have already been spoken upthread i think but i love how the film is structured as an accumulation of its parts, gaining a lot from their interrelations. and the final sequence was v. affecting.

also so much intertexuality happening

maybes bakin' maybes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 21 November 2014 00:54 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfF7ZmKMUX0

This is kinda really bad haha

, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 13:10 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Good film.

I assume the duck killing was totally real but it looked relatively quick (I hope), but was the horse really being hit that badly?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 16 March 2015 23:10 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/iaD6uBa.jpg

, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:05 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33059234

, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:00 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

new one is a change of pace, more like Stella Dallas meets Giant, except with GoogleTranslate instead of oil

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 03:07 (five years ago) link

mountains may depart is fantastic

, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 04:56 (five years ago) link

ooo

crime breeze (schlump), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 05:07 (five years ago) link

watched Xiao Wu tonight, it was v. good

bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 October 2015 20:06 (five years ago) link

three months pass...
one month passes...

watching MMD tomorrow

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 March 2016 21:26 (five years ago) link

I quite liked it, but not as much as A Touch of Sin

calzino, Saturday, 5 March 2016 21:39 (five years ago) link

Lovely until the last chapter, in which Jia falters with the use of English.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2016 19:41 (five years ago) link

didn't bother me much

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2016 19:52 (five years ago) link

at least not as much as the way no directors but QT and the Coens seem worthy of a new thread for each film

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2016 19:53 (five years ago) link

Start it!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2016 22:01 (five years ago) link

Lovely until the last chapter, in which Jia falters with the use of English.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 7, 2016 2:41 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this was fine, and probably only resonates if you're someone with experience of ESL in the chinese community, and second-generation overseas chinese.

, Monday, 7 March 2016 22:21 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

new one is accused of being "greatest hits" by some, i like it fine; wish i hadn't been exhausted.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 14:16 (two years ago) link

predictably great and at times transcendent. your man's gun falling out of his pants while dancing to YMCA was 10/10

devvvine, Saturday, 13 October 2018 12:18 (two years ago) link

i thought it was just ok

, Saturday, 13 October 2018 12:23 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

STILL LIFE getting a long-overdue Blu-ray release on December 1st: https://t.co/QDSt0wbJPn

— Josh Martin (@MajorHints) October 30, 2020

I like that post from morbs from two years ago, it's painful to think we will never hear from him in the film threads again

Dan S, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:11 (six months ago) link

All of Jia’s films are worth watching imo. Ash Is Purest White is the one I love the most, but also A Touch of Sin. Still Life was interesting to me, I didn't really get it at the time and want to see it again. Platform, Unknown Pleasures, The World - all great

Dan S, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:13 (six months ago) link

I've seen five of his films and heard him speak at a retrospective. My favourite was The World, maybe it had a slightly more hopeful air than the others.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 30 October 2020 03:23 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

Our new poster for Jia Zhangke's SWIMMING OUT TILL THE SEA TURNS BLUE. Opens in theaters May 28. Exclusive trailer premiere @hyperallergic. https://t.co/eoheERX6B2 pic.twitter.com/ucK21B0CKq

— Cinema Guild (@CinemaGuild) April 27, 2021

calzino, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:15 (one week ago) link

<3

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 22:39 (one week ago) link


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