MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

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"Not great, AMC!"

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:01 (seven years ago) link

OH fuuuuuuck this noise

Tetsu: The Inoue Man (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:05 (seven years ago) link

huh. it worked for breaking bad cuz breaking bad hasn't traditionally taken two thirds of the season to really get going.

at this point i hardly remember what happened last season. don cheated a lot and was emo a lot and drank a lot, then he got fired, the end.

Waluigi Nono (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:11 (seven years ago) link

They were all on drugs all the time.

And it only halfly worked on BB. 5B has been all-time-great, but 5A was mostly dull.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:14 (seven years ago) link

Shorty punched Roger in the balls.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:15 (seven years ago) link

Peggy's Clio dreams were sidelined once again and so she stabbed her boyfriend.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:16 (seven years ago) link

Bryan Cranston will do the voiceovers on the Mercedes ads that air during Mad Men.

punt cased (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:16 (seven years ago) link

Bob Benson brushed Blue Blood's bad-spot.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:17 (seven years ago) link

I'm so over this show, I realized.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:20 (seven years ago) link

When someone who constantly shows up with coffee and smiles can command everyone's attention for an entire season, then yes, the wheels may have fallen off.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:20 (seven years ago) link

i'm PRETTY SURE i enjoyed the last season but in retrospect it all seems so uninteresting. maybe i've just become a breaking bad monogamist.

Waluigi Nono (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:23 (seven years ago) link

is this really that surprising?

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:24 (seven years ago) link

Bobby watched Planet of the Apes. Pete fell down the stairs. His mother fell over board. Ken got shot in the face. So many great things happened, though overall it wasn't as insanly good as seasons 3-5.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:26 (seven years ago) link

Pete doesn't get to see Annie's boobs anymore.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:28 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, I really struggled to give a damn through last season.

circa1916, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:28 (seven years ago) link

Don contacted by Nixon's Plumbers unit.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:28 (seven years ago) link

Last season was worth it for making me not hate Betty anymore.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:29 (seven years ago) link

idg people who complain that "nothing happens" in this show. it's not a cop/crime show!

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:33 (seven years ago) link

come on then seeing as we've nothing better to do. season rankings?

mine:

season 4
season 3
season 1
season 6
season 2
season 5

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:40 (seven years ago) link

5,4,3,1,6,2

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:42 (seven years ago) link

How can you have five as the worst?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:43 (seven years ago) link

^^^

circa1916, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:44 (seven years ago) link

it was just such a comedown after the dizzy heights of season 4!

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:47 (seven years ago) link

I should give 6 another shot. Fell asleep in the middle two weeks in a row and never bothered trying to catch up.

brio, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:59 (seven years ago) link

But, but, but... Roger on LSD! Pete being punched in the face! Repeatedly! Zou Bisou Bisou!

I think season 5 might be the bravest and most thematically complex season they ever did. After reinventing the show completely after both seasons 3 and 4, they then went and undercut all of that with what was pretty much a return to the status quo before the show started. While really in the few seasons before that it seemed as if everything was changing, and in such exciting ways, then all of a sudden it turned out that everything would stay the same (most brilliantly played out in At the Codfish Ball, one of my favorite episodes in the whole show) But I might be giving the season too many bonus points for difficulty, perhaps it isn't quite as good as season 4.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:02 (seven years ago) link

1,4,5,2,3,6

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:12 (seven years ago) link

Later seasons are more accomplished than the first, but it's my favourite cos it seemed so fresh at the time, and because it has the most traditional narrative structure (I'm quite conservative about storytelling in some ways).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:14 (seven years ago) link

3 > 5 > 2 > 6 > 4 > 1

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:16 (seven years ago) link

didnt begin to watch this show til a year ago. So good. Last season was a slowburner but really great and weird and inexplicably spooky.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:16 (seven years ago) link

Part of the fun of 6 was all the online Megan conspiracies that ultimately resulted in nothing. It was the most fun of that nature I'd had since LOST.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:21 (seven years ago) link

JF so otm. I've noticed I am impartial to MM being drawn out over more years. It will hopefully prolong the fun for longer, because at this rate, after season six, I will not care about MM a whole lot after it ends I think.

Incidentally, I only watched the last three episodes of Lost last weekend. For the first time, having seen all the episodes, all seasons when they first aired, being hugely engaged in it all. But then love happened and I forgot about Lost for... Years. The final episode was a bag of cock. I enjoyed anticipating watching it way more than actually watching it.

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:25 (seven years ago) link

Yes! In general, the internet-fandom has been so fun these last few years. In general, Mad Men still has a reputation as being this really slow, dour, self-important show, but it's also an endless gif-generator and morbidly funny show. Like, for all the heavyness there is this really big joy to the show and it's fanbase.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:30 (seven years ago) link

otm. it's just so weird and off kilter and dreamlike. could watch a whole season where barely anything happens.

ryan, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:31 (seven years ago) link

Absolutely. And it's something I haven't completely reconciled with, for I want to love the show for the show alone. But for me, in the case of Mad Men, that internet buzz only heavily started in season 3 or 4, which makes that I'm not sick of it yet, it is at its prime. And I don't mean checking buzzfeed or whatever. Reveling in the MM thread right here is enough to add to the enjoyment.

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:35 (seven years ago) link

(That was an xp, but Ryan otm)

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:36 (seven years ago) link

frederik otm, one thing about mad men i didn't expect before watching it was how hilarious it is.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:38 (seven years ago) link

what's the season where the secretary runs over the guy's foot w/ the lawnmover

Tetsu: The Inoue Man (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:39 (seven years ago) link

3

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:40 (seven years ago) link

that was a good one

Tetsu: The Inoue Man (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:41 (seven years ago) link

this is cliche but it's so funny in a really satisfying why because the characters are so richly drawn--so much of the humor comes from a very careful build up of motivations and tendencies. and it's great because the show does a great job of placing each episode in the timeline of that character's development. the whole history of the show seems to weigh on every scene.

ryan, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:42 (seven years ago) link

lawnmower foot vs. Ken face-shooting is a tough call for me

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:44 (seven years ago) link

dude on the other side of the translucent glass squeegeeing the blood off coupled with ashen-faced harry and roger's jokes was an all-time great MM moment.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:46 (seven years ago) link

"and just when he got it in the door"

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:48 (seven years ago) link

"the doctor said he'll never golf again"

That might be the funniest episode ever.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:55 (seven years ago) link

MM supercuts on YouTube are the best.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:56 (seven years ago) link

Oh god, remember when Miss Blankenship died? Driven out covered by Harry's blanket.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 23:05 (seven years ago) link

Well, this is interesting. Robert Towne has joined the writing staff:
http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/screenwriter-robert-towne-joins-writing-staff-of-mad-men-exclusive-1200615261/

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 00:59 (seven years ago) link

!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 01:13 (seven years ago) link

I love season 5 as well. And will stan for the idea of season 6, which is running in circles by design. It is still running in circles, though.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 June 2018 15:00 (two years ago) link

I agree w. Οὖτις upthread that the series finale is much more satisfying if taken non-literally

Simon H., Friday, 22 June 2018 15:06 (two years ago) link

Season 6 is the only not great one imo

chap, Monday, 2 July 2018 12:31 (two years ago) link

disagree with a lot of this. found the first season good if a bit hammy when it came to highlighting the social mores of the time. nearly gave up with S2 because it started off with more of the same and I was bored of Don Draper having yet another affair. But it's not until the lawnmower incident in s3 (which some could see as a jump the shark moment but I don't) where for me the show kicks up several notches and really comes into its own. After that I was p much addicted to the end

Hotdogs Killcars (dog latin), Monday, 2 July 2018 13:59 (two years ago) link

5 the weakest yeah but 6 was a return to form of sorts and 7 is great, bordering on amazing.

piscesx, Monday, 2 July 2018 14:10 (two years ago) link

there is a lot of hamhanded stuff in s1 - Pete's serial killer-esque speech to Peggy about hunting (after being shown literally using the office pool girls as target practice), Betty's psychiatrist literally calling her a child, the constant Harry/Crane/Kinsey fratboy sexual harrassment, etc.

Show is still amazing, of course. The characters are so rich.

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 July 2018 15:23 (two years ago) link

i just feel like i've been watching draper at rock bottom since s4 and it's getting old

marcos, Monday, 2 July 2018 15:24 (two years ago) link

hey it's a long way down

my wife remarked that this show is essentially the ascent of Peggy mirrored by the descent of Don, with tons of great arcs for the supporting characters as well (Pete, Joan, Roger, Sally, Betty)

I can tell you who this show *isn't* about: Bobby! Many lolz re-watching this counting the many Bobbys.

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 July 2018 15:29 (two years ago) link

wtf mates, season 5 was great.

season 6 was a step down even tho it was good to see people finally confront don about his jackassery.

anyway, all seasons of mad men are good. even season 6 has "not great, bob!"

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 July 2018 16:28 (two years ago) link

^^ yep

feel like this really benefitted from the year-gaps between seasons. breaking bad is built fer bingeing but this felt more special doled out in small portions.

also [finale spoilers coming] i still feel kinda "not great bob" about the peggy/stan last scene. not that i didn't enjoy the characters or the performers, or even the idea that they'd hook up - just that felt like an unusually fake note to end on

and also that guy's speech in the final five minutes, like stfu where is don

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 2 July 2018 19:21 (two years ago) link

Also also, Weiner's novel is so bad (from the excerpts I've read) and he seems like such a shmuck, I kinda wonder how he even managed to make this (co writers?)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 2 July 2018 19:23 (two years ago) link

idk writing for tv seems to be his main skill (haven't read his novel, but his movie is baaaad). he wrote some of the best latter-season sopranos eps.

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 July 2018 19:31 (two years ago) link

His new thing sounds like it could be interesting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Romanoffs?wprov=sfti1

nate woolls, Monday, 2 July 2018 19:37 (two years ago) link

Weiner had a *great* set of writers and directors, many of whom had been around for awhile and established reps for quality in their own right - Tim Hunter, Lesli Linka Glatter, Phil Abraham. Just like I don't think you can rightly attribute everything awesome about the Sopranos to David Chase, I don't think everything awesome about Mad Men is because of Weiner.

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 July 2018 19:41 (two years ago) link

totally agreed. the Sepinwall "Revolution was Televised" book seemed to indicate that he had a pretty hands-on approach to writing and editing tho.

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 July 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

Kiernan Shipka's rundown of the Bobby actors still gets a lol from me:

MY MEMORIES OF THE BOBBY DRAPERS

Bucket Head Bobby A little known fact is that this Bobby was an entirely different Bobby. He was anointed "Bucket Head Bobby." We didn't really bond, because we only worked together for a few hours. He seemed chill.

Pillow Face Bobby Another Bobby many people don't know about is "Pillow Face Bobby," because he was directed to bury his face into the pillow and not turn towards camera. Like with the other Supplemental Bobby Drapers, we didn't chat too much, but he seemed very nice.

Bobby #3 Jared Gilmore ditched for Once Upon A Time, but he was great! He loved Sizzler and eating packets of straight sugar.

Bobby #4 Mason Vale Cotton stuck with us through the end. He's an awesome kid and had the longest run out of all the bros. He loves football and can rock a tux.

so much so whenever Bobby is referred to onscreen I subliminally wish the actor appended the number to his name (ie Don: "Sally, wait here in the car with Bobby 3")

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 July 2018 19:47 (two years ago) link

Also also, Weiner's novel is so bad (from the excerpts I've read) and he seems like such a shmuck,

I dunno if there's clip of it on YT anymore (Cinefamily collapsed in a sexual harassment scandal), but I went to see a showing of Antonioni's The Passenger with a discussion afterward with Adam Curtis (who had picked the movie) and Matt Weiner. I can't place a specific phrase or idea that Weiner said but he exuded a bad mix of overconfidence and ill-informed questions. Guess I'm picky, but sometimes a difficult man is just a shmuck. Watching Mad Men now as Peggy's story (rather than Draper's) is so much fun.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 02:24 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I subliminally wish the actor appended the number to his name

lol I forgot *this actually happens onscreen* when Bobby goes to camp and refers to himself as "Bobby 3"

Rewatching this entire series I am really struck by how clear Don's downward/spiral descent is from the beginning to the end. He has these occasional bumps where he tries to right the ship or cling to what he has or grasp for something new, but they're all just detours on an otherwise incredibly bleak downward trajectory of self-destruction. I remember being confused at the end of s6 as to why he makes the sudden decision to torpedo his career in front of Hershey and then blow-up his marriage by backing out of going to LA - but taken as a whole with the preceding seasons it's clear it's just another in a long line of deliberate self-destructive decisions, the central facet of his character is his wanting to destroy himself and everything he thought he wanted - his career, his family, his identity, all of it.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:36 (two years ago) link

Yeah--adopting the identity of Don Draper allowed him to become what he thought would make him happy, but also imprinted a deep sense of guilt and lack of self-worth. He had grade A imposter syndrome and whenever he felt himself feeling a modicum of happiness, he would feel that he didn't deserve it and tear himself down. I was usually annoyed by the childhood flashbacks but I think they ultimately painted a pretty good picture of just how deep-seated Don's troubles ran.

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

i have one episode left in this whole series

marcos, Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:24 (two years ago) link

*spoilers*
pete shoots Don in the face and then jumps out a window onto a giant lady foot

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 August 2018 15:47 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

No ⚾️ but you can still sing the song(s) +🍺🍺🍺 @Mets #OpeningDay #OpeningDayAtHome #FauxpeningDay pic.twitter.com/YJDUa67nw3

— Mad Men Quotes (@MadMenQts) March 26, 2020

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 March 2020 15:07 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

damn it! in the middle of rewatch and i find out it's leaving netflix tomorrow. Im on season 4

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 14:23 (eleven months ago) link

They obviously don't like to advertise those things but I really wish there was some easy way to find out when shows/movies will be leaving Netflix/Prime etc

groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:06 (eleven months ago) link

That hasn't happened to me yet--must be infuriating, albeit less so with a rewatch.

If you have today and tomorrow and the time to do it, finish up, carne.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:13 (eleven months ago) link

yeah i'm going to try and marathon through it. Have to say it has been really awesome watching it a second time, so many great details I missed when it originally aired.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:33 (eleven months ago) link

Prime do have a "limited time on Prime" section. But yes, this is one of the many infuriating things about that website.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 18:34 (eleven months ago) link

...called Netflix.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 18:34 (eleven months ago) link

I'm no help here, but the complete Mad Men might still be on sale in the iTunes store for $20.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:54 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

Here's your ultimate Mad Men trivia question: who was Tilden Katz?

clemenza, Friday, 16 April 2021 03:24 (three weeks ago) link

By the way, the infuriating thing watching this on Prime is that they cut the end credits after a few seconds and skip to the next episode, without an option of staying on the credits. Much musical brilliance wasted.

clemenza, Friday, 16 April 2021 03:25 (three weeks ago) link

That question actually has two correct answers--easier because of that.

clemenza, Friday, 16 April 2021 03:27 (three weeks ago) link

Rachel Menken's husband is the obvious answer I guess, no idea what the other correct answer would be though!

willem, Friday, 16 April 2021 08:20 (three weeks ago) link

You just need to turn off Auto Play under 'Settings' (Gear Icon) then 'Player' from your Prime home screen on a browser xps

groovypanda, Friday, 16 April 2021 08:42 (three weeks ago) link

do you guys follow january jones on instagram?

treeship., Friday, 16 April 2021 10:20 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks, I'll try that.

The other answer--the one I had--is that that's the pseudonym Don uses the night they go to the after-hours place with Freddy Rumsen, the episode where they fire him: Dick Dollars, Mike Moneybags, and Tilden Katz. I didn't realize he got that from Rachel's husband until I googled the name after I posted. You've got a better memory than I do--never would have got that in a million years if I hadn't just watched the Freddy episode.

clemenza, Friday, 16 April 2021 10:27 (three weeks ago) link

it's a cool name.

anyway, though, the actress who plays betty draper has been bludgeoning rattlesnakes in her back yard in order to protect her dogs.

treeship., Friday, 16 April 2021 10:29 (three weeks ago) link

reminds me of when she shot her neighbor's pigeons with an air rifle in season one

treeship., Friday, 16 April 2021 10:29 (three weeks ago) link

That moment, shooting the pigeons, is probably the first stunning moment in S1 (ninth episode). There's been lots of great moments up till that point, but that comes out of nowhere; with the show's timeline just moving into the '60s, it's like the close-up of Janet Leigh's eye in Psycho.

clemenza, Friday, 16 April 2021 10:37 (three weeks ago) link

Anything I post here I very likely posted above already, so I kept it to a minimum this time. Two things that killed me (again, I'm sure) in the last couple of episodes: Duck's final exit--wonder if it was scripted or improvised--and Joan's reaction the news of Roger's marriage to Marie.

clemenza, Monday, 26 April 2021 23:12 (two weeks ago) link

Is that where Duck tries to take a poop on a chair??

piscesx, Monday, 26 April 2021 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

No, that's in S5 or S6. He visits Roger about a meeting he's set up, and Roger sends him on his way: at the doorway, just before he leaves, he quickly looks to his right, then looks to his left, like he's lost--he is, and also drunk. It's the perfect summation of Duck the whole way.

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

Visits Pete, that should say, not Roger.

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

Duck trying to poop was in "The Suitcase" back in S4 iirc.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:33 (two weeks ago) link

Right, right--such a famous episode. I mentioned in the Mr. Robot thread that the guy who plays Duck showed up for about two minutes in one episode.

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:38 (two weeks ago) link

I think I’m going to rewatch

https://dirt.substack.com/p/dirt-the-mad-men-rewatch

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 1 May 2021 05:28 (one week ago) link

I looked around a bit online for an original copy of Meditations in an Emergency, but was quickly jolted into reality re the price.

S5, not S7, but I'll ask the question here: any thoughts on the way Don handles Lane's forged cheque? I think it's one of the more interesting ethical dilemmas of the show's entire run. I can see arguments on both sides. Doing some Monday morning quarterbacking, you can say it was awful that Don didn't smooth that over--Lane did help save the company, including the money of his own that he chipped in, and the $8,000 or whatever it was almost surely would have been paid back before long. On the other hand, as he explained to Lane, it could have destroyed the agency if word got to the clients, and subsequently he never let anyone else know about what Lane had done.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 May 2021 17:01 (one week ago) link

It's not an ethical dilemma for Don...it's some kind of dilemma.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 May 2021 17:02 (one week ago) link


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