Peter Bogdanovich, threshing machine

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God he really was useless, wasn't he? Arselicker to Ford, Hawks and Welles; OK, the last shot of The Last Picture Show is quite alienating if you like that sort of thing, but What's Up Doc, Paper Moon, At Long Last Love...not to mention coming on to Dorothy Stratten's younger sister right after DS got shot, being generally responsible for Cybill Shepherd - someone defend him if they can!

Emmanuel Goldstein, Monday, 30 September 2002 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the way tatum o'neill waddles down the stairs in paper moon

mark s (mark s), Monday, 30 September 2002 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the way samantha mathis does everything in 'the thing called love'

Jeff W, Monday, 30 September 2002 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

What's wrong with being kissass to Ford, Hawks, Welles?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

SOmeones been reading too much Easy Riders, Raging Bulls methinks.

What's Up Doc was the best screwball comedy of the seventies. (CLose run thing with Foul Play but...)

Pete (Pete), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Last Picture Show is a film of powerful beauty and feeling - I love it. Targets is a very good 'mad gunman' film. I thought he started with huge promise, and went downhill extraorinarily quickly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh i've never seen targets Martin, thanks for reminding me.

the actual mr. jones (actual), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

People with perforated siblings need love too

dave q, Monday, 30 September 2002 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
OMG, Bogdanovich directed the new Pete Rose telemovie on ESPN. That's so sad.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link

i just found a dvd of targets i bought months ago and forgot about! about to watch, will report back...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw Targets very recently...it is silly.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

What a great thread title! I have no idea what it means!

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i really don't like the ascots

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link

TV movies don't necessarily mean the person is desparate. They might just think the story is interesting and aren't worried that it might make them look less classy or whatever. Granted, Bogdanovich directed To Sir With Love 2 for TV, but you never know. I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link

look at frankenheimer, people!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

Nah, he'd been holding up that "will pose as a Welles expert for larges houses and scads of money" long before that, and to great effect. I hate this guy almost as much as I hate John Landis.

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:31 (sixteen years ago) link

frankenheimer is dead! (although his dna lives on in michael bay.)

he actually is kind of an expert, and he speaks well, so it makes sense that he should appear on so many documentaries and commentary tracks. unfortunately there's usually an even more interesting expert that's been passed over for old pete.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:34 (sixteen years ago) link

like who?

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link

well yeah he was an expert before he was even a filmmaker! let's not forget he was one of the main americans participating in the early canonization of hawks etc.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

cats meow.
one of the more venal and elegant bashings of traditional hollywood morality, and proof (if you needed more after bring it on and spiderman) that kristen dunst is one of the better actresses coming out of the last few years, esp. irt the sticky intraceable tendrils of desire (shoot me for the last sentence please)

+ eddie izzard is in it and how can one not like eddie izzard, eddie izzard is a fucking genius.

anthony, Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I love kirsten dunst, eddie izzard, but I thought cats meow was paper thin and very dull.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

2nded, adam. It was boring, talky, and pointless.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
indefensible.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude did a really ace Hitchcock impression when he introduced North by Northwest for TCM. So he was a fanboy, big deal-- Blount OTM.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

This is Orson Welles more than makes up for his mediocre films. He's not particularly exciting (and not a great critic) but I'm much happier having him as a bland go-to-"expert" on ye old Hollywood than some asshole Paulette or a hack culture critic.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Or fucking David Thomson!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, the orson welles book is fantastic, tho the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling "everything you believe is balls! BALLS!" at cybill shepherd over breakfast. i think last picture show is a little overrated, it looks beautiful but it's kind of boring to watch. but i love targets and the thing called love (a nearly perfect movie) so he's not all bad by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link

He's okay on the Sopranos.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

DS was stabbed, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Targets was amazing and totally fun. I perhaps believe the rumor the Polly Platt was his better half and his career was downhill after they split.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Any love for Texasville? A friend maintains it's better than TLPS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling
Then I don't suppose it has him starting a fire with a lit cigar in his bathrobe pocket either.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

on tcm's "the essentials" he appears WITHOUT AN ASCOT

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I believe that you are right, amst. But then surely a clever cameraman has to cover for the missing ascot.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

no way is texasville better than the last picture show! that's just someone have fun being contrary. it's underrated, though, in that it was branded one of the biggest-ever turkeys and it really isn't. it's just kind of a sad mess considering its pedigree.

Or fucking David Thomson!

argh! otm. my dislike for him continues to grow.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

him and friedkin are responsible for like 70% of any fun you get from reading e-z riders n ragin bullz

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

PB comes off as a real dick in that book!

actually everyone does, come to think of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/

Blogdanovich!

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:31 (nine years ago) link

Man will never give up his Ascots, will he.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:39 (nine years ago) link

They shall pry them from his cold, dead dewlaps.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:49 (nine years ago) link

The guru has started another blog.

redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:19 (nine years ago) link

I'm seeing him introduce Citizen Kane in a couple of weeks--just for the thrill of hearing him namedrop "Orson" every other sentence.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:46 (nine years ago) link

i wonder what orson welles' blog would've been called. Roseblog?

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:50 (nine years ago) link

Enjoyed him on the Dick Cavett show circa 1971 surrounded by Robert Altman, Mel Brooks, and Frank Capra. And yes, he was wearing his snappy Cary Grant garden party leisure wear.

Josefa, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:00 (nine years ago) link

I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the original 1972 Elaine May-Neil Simon comedy, THE HEARTBREAK KID (available on DVD), which goes beyond the darkly hilarious film itself, because at the time of its making and release I was living with one of the stars, Cybill Shepherd. This warm feeling only increased with the publication of Cybill’s memoirs (Cybill Disobedience), in which there are numerous revelations—-to me, too—-about her various doings during our nine-year relationship (and, of course, before and after).

This fuckin' guy.

a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:03 (nine years ago) link

This kills me--Bogdanovich in a nutshell:

"As the Duke was walking me back to my car, he took a shortcut, leading me through the sizeable garage..."

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:44 (nine years ago) link

I should say that I think The Last Picture Show is a fine film, although I have difficulty connecting it to Bogdanovich (other than as an assemblage of stuff borrowed from his favorite directors...think Stanley Kauffmann said the same thing way back when).

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:49 (nine years ago) link

Casting him as a thinly veiled Hugh Hefner on Law and Order was kind of amazing.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 02:46 (nine years ago) link

That episode made me laugh so much.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:45 (nine years ago) link

it's weird seeing tokyo rosemary on ILX

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (nine years ago) link

Veg sorta otm, but it's a good place to point people toward the podcast: ten episodes, images and annotations for each of them here

Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2020 03:26 (one month ago) link

Karina Longworth’s stilted vocal mannerisms... oy

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 August 2020 13:47 (one month ago) link

Direct reaction to listeners whining that she wasn't sufficiently clear-sounding in the early seasons. Can't win.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 13 August 2020 14:18 (one month ago) link

Yeah she knows her stuff but I just can't get past the weird enunciation. I think she could "win" if she just talked normally.

Josefa, Thursday, 13 August 2020 14:42 (one month ago) link

I heard a clip of her speaking in her regular voice, and it was totally fine!

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:21 (one month ago) link

Right, I saw her somewhere in Manhattan introducing a movie not long ago and no weird vocalisms then. Possibly she has some type of mike fright.

Josefa, Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:39 (one month ago) link

I saw her Criterion Closet video and she sounded totally normal. I made a note to check out the podcast but forgot, I checked it out... Jesus Christ...

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:41 (one month ago) link

Direct reaction to listeners whining that she wasn't sufficiently clear-sounding in the early seasons. Can't win.

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:18 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I checked out a recent and an early episode and she sounds like a subway terminal announcer in both.

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:43 (one month ago) link

Daniel_Rf is correct though, at least wrt to her heavily enunciated Ts.

I've fully acclimated to her style and don't find it bothersome at all (plus she's moved away from my own personal dislike: attempting imitations), but another point in the Platt series favor is that in addition to Siff's readings, there are lots more interviews than normal, so you hear her voice less than usual.

rob, Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:46 (one month ago) link

Yes, the best season since the Manson one.

― Steppin' RZA (sic), Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:22 PM (yesterday)

Interesting. I found that season too depressing and kind of tangential (admittedly I didn't even finish it). It's perhaps too long, but the Blacklist season remains a high point for me. I also thought the Song of the South one was very strong.

Karina's voice haters should check out the Make Me Over season where she turns the mic entirely over to guests--for me it confirmed that Longworth is good not bad actually, but the Vanessa Williams and Marie Dressler eps are good

rob, Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:51 (one month ago) link

Maggie Siff’s readings really are so well done & thoughtful

Honestly I was truly amazed by the amount of research & hours of recorded interviews that went into this - Longworth really showed this as a passion project and didn’t spare any effort to go deep. Plus having her daughters on the record really lends some special legitimacy to telling Polly’s story

I also loved the reveal over the course of the series that Larry McMurty always held a candle for her. ❤️

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:49 (one month ago) link

her daughters = polly’s daughters, i meant

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:50 (one month ago) link

otm -- she set the bar really high for whatever she does next season (at which point we should start a dedicated thread)

rob, Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:55 (one month ago) link

I enjoy Longworth's voice and presentation on You Must Remember This.

Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:16 (one month ago) link

i'm working on slowing down and enunciating more in my own lectures.. i think at this point her style should be understood as a choice, not a mistake. some people can't stand it, some find it very soothing and absorbing and lets them focus on content. it's a tough balance to strike but it's hard to argue with her success and the quality of the research, and of the writing itself, is fantastic.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:49 (one month ago) link

Yeah it doesnt bother me anymore - her content is always so engaging & interesting that I got past it pretty quick

Like seriously, there is so many fluff podcasts out there, or half-assed/wing-it/chat em ups that the ones that have depth like this are always a joy overall, regardless of quirks

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:51 (one month ago) link

I'm not the biggest fan of her delivery but I've also never had to do a solo podcast which must be **nerve wracking**

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:53 (one month ago) link

otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:54 (one month ago) link

I just like yesterday learned of the existence of YMRT when searching for info on the Warner Bros. doc of the same name. Was curious and now am curiouser after reading y'all's posi reviews. Will seek out.

Ask yoreself: are you're standards too high? (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:54 (one month ago) link

Interesting. I found that season too depressing and kind of tangential (admittedly I didn't even finish it). It's perhaps too long, but the Blacklist season remains a high point for me. I also thought the Song of the South one was very strong.

Second both the blacklist and song of the south seasons, great stuff. The Dead Blondes season has a lot of interesting (and depressing) stuff too. Really don't get why ppl fixate on the Manson season.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:57 (one month ago) link

I have a You Must Remember This t-shirt. Fella in Clissold Park shouted "great show!" at me, only popcult clothing related interaction I've ever had.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:58 (one month ago) link

The Manson season was the first one that integrated such a variety of sources into a single narrative, while still retaining a discrete episodic focus that made each episode a focused piece of writing. Earlier seasons had been built on themes, but usually a loose one that linked various disparate stores (eg Dead Blondes, Star Wars); the Manson one wove lots of elements of disparate stories, as researched by earlier writers, into a coherent tale of a period with a distinct throughline.

The Polly Platt season is similarly a triumph of melding elements, but more so. Longworth takes Platt's unpublished text, her own new interviews with other first-person sources, and historical research by what is now a three-person team, and writes something that appears to be a richer expansion and improvement of Platt's unfinished memoir into a better tribute to her work, with a deeper appreciation of her as a person and artist/creative.

Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2020 20:09 (one month ago) link

Very much so. It's a real triumph. (And I'm just fine with her voice.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 August 2020 20:13 (one month ago) link

Manson also contexualises Los Angeles during that time, and takes time to explore everything feeding into what Manson was part of, showing how he didnt exist in a vacuum and that the envy of the Hollywood/LA way of life was something that fed Manson much more than a lot of books about him ever really acknowledge.

It’s not a story about Manson, it about Manson within the world as it existed at that time. It made for a much more interesting story imo

The only thing I’ve read that matches this series on Manson for depth & context it is the Jeff Guinn book.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 20:47 (one month ago) link

Are there text transcripts of the show?

flappy bird, Friday, 14 August 2020 18:21 (one month ago) link

No, it's very much written for audio. Longworth's recent book on Howard Hughes is good though (& written in a different voice), if that's of interest.

also contexualises Los Angeles during that time

Yes, I meant to say "period and place"

Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:32 (one month ago) link

I need to read that Hughes book

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 August 2020 20:33 (one month ago) link

oh you'll love it

Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 14 August 2020 21:30 (one month ago) link

and you can watch this entire Max Ophuls movie as prep, on youtube

Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 14 August 2020 21:33 (one month ago) link

I popped into this thread a couple of days ago, I think because I heard an ad for or mention of the/a Peter Bogdanovich podcast/doc on an (old?) episode of a podcast I was listening to. Anyway, I don't listen to many podcasts mostly because there are too many podcasts, but also because the affectations (vocal delivery and audio cues, like incessant old time jazz tooting in the background; thanks, Woody Allen and This American Life) sometimes drive me nuts. So I see this thread pop up and pop in and read back a few posts, where I encounter commentary on Karina Longworth's vocal affectation. I file her and that conversation under "interesting things about someone I'm not really familiar with who sounds interesting talking about interesting things." Fast forward two days and a friend coincidentally recommends her You Must Remember This podcast, specifically the Song of the South season, and I think, huh, I was just reading about her o ILX and she sounded like something I would like. But, hmm, wasn't there some discussion about her vocal affectations? And indeed almost as soon as I start the thing up I think, wow, why is she talking like that? Why does she sometimes overemphasize certain letters or syllables, or elongate words that don't need that sort of emphasis, like "Hollywuuuuude." Strange though it may be - is she I guess essentially playing a character? - I don't think it will be a deal breaker, and in fact while it was distracting I immediately found a way to mentally correct: by pretending the podcast was actually narrated by Danny DeVito. Same script, just his voice. It was a very funny thing to imagine and made the episode that much more enjoyable.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 August 2020 20:24 (one month ago) link

I don't watch television shows because there are too many of them, and all of them are about Japanese people hurting themselves climbing on large wet obstacles.

poparse's eye (sic), Saturday, 15 August 2020 20:59 (one month ago) link

Danny DeVito

an interesting choice given his role in the Polly Platt story

rob, Saturday, 15 August 2020 21:04 (one month ago) link

is longworth's delivery really an "affectation" though? fine line i guess, but it feels more like her "radio voice." like when i'm lecturing in class, it's definitely not in my natural voice because i'm consciously slowing down, enunciating more, and also i'm reading my stuff off a page. and there are probably a few things here and there that are affected, like i just sorta like certain words sounding a certain way. but overall the difference between that and my regular voice is more that i'm asking it to do this different job and not like i'm trying to sound a certain way to produce a certain effect or attain a certain status or w/e, which is what 'affectation' reads as to me.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 15 August 2020 21:21 (one month ago) link

It’s the pronunciation that gets me.

One episode she’s talking about Dorothy Stradden and the next episode it’s Dorothy Stratten.

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Saturday, 15 August 2020 21:27 (one month ago) link

As Daniel alluded to upthread, aiui posters on the podcast's own messageboard criticized her D-like Ts so much that she massively overcorrected. So it's actually the constant complaining about her voice that caused that particular problem

rob, Saturday, 15 August 2020 21:31 (one month ago) link

I did like the story about Orson Welles yelling WHO ATE ALL THE TAPIOCA PUDDING, especially since Cybill Shepard wrote about him doing the same but about fudgsicles.

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Saturday, 15 August 2020 21:32 (one month ago) link

that was amazing

also all the Ford stuff was uh...interesting. talk about opening the kimono *barf*

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 August 2020 22:59 (one month ago) link

I listened to the Pretty Baby ep last night.

Christ, Brooke Shields' Mom...

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 15 August 2020 23:18 (one month ago) link

yeah I had no idea about any of that

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 August 2020 00:43 (one month ago) link

I too used to find her delivery offputting, but the podcast is consistently great, and this latest round her best yet. I really enjoyed it, too, as a corrective to the Bogdanovich podcast, which was a good listen, but while the presenter let Bogdanovich have enough rope a couple of times to reveal his innate pomposity and how he'd profited from an era that celebrated and indulged its white male creative heroes, it was clear throughout that it would err on the side of hagiography. Longworth's series went much deeper, never risked seeming like a puff-piece, and also did a great job of rescuing Platt from Bogdanovich's shadow and celebrating her as an artist in her own right, while also acknowledging her own feet of clay and exploring her as a well-rounded person, with her own flaws and motivating damage.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:39 (one month ago) link

It's an accomplished work of biography, which the Bogdanovich podcast isn't.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:40 (one month ago) link

innate pomposity

I believe you are talking about his ascotsity.

(I know it's a bandana, but he wears it like an ascot.)

I assume there are transcripts of the Longworth podcasts, because yeah, unfortunately her voice/presentation is not my favorite. My friend (who recommended the series to me) told me he listened to the Val Lewton one and had to grit his teeth every time she said his name. "Looden," apparently.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:49 (one month ago) link

I assume there are transcripts

your reasoning does not follow

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:55 (one month ago) link

?

A lot of podcasters post transcripts for, at least, the hearing impaired, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:57 (one month ago) link

There are scripts or transcripts of every episode on Patreon. We will post the scripts for the new season once all the episodes have debuted.

— Karina Longworth (@KarinaLongworth) October 15, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:59 (one month ago) link

for, at least, the hearing impaired, etc.

That's a completely different reason tbf

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 23:02 (one month ago) link

I didn't give a reason, tbf, nor does it matter. Don't know where she posts them, though.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 23:03 (one month ago) link

You literally just posted a tweet where she says where they're posted.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 23:09 (one month ago) link

Oh, wait, I misread her tweet as meaning they were available on Patreon as they're released, but would be made available to everyone when the season was done.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 23:16 (one month ago) link


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