Peter Bogdanovich, threshing machine

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God he really was useless, wasn't he? Arselicker to Ford, Hawks and Welles; OK, the last shot of The Last Picture Show is quite alienating if you like that sort of thing, but What's Up Doc, Paper Moon, At Long Last Love...not to mention coming on to Dorothy Stratten's younger sister right after DS got shot, being generally responsible for Cybill Shepherd - someone defend him if they can!

Emmanuel Goldstein, Monday, 30 September 2002 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the way tatum o'neill waddles down the stairs in paper moon

mark s (mark s), Monday, 30 September 2002 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the way samantha mathis does everything in 'the thing called love'

Jeff W, Monday, 30 September 2002 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

What's wrong with being kissass to Ford, Hawks, Welles?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

SOmeones been reading too much Easy Riders, Raging Bulls methinks.

What's Up Doc was the best screwball comedy of the seventies. (CLose run thing with Foul Play but...)

Pete (Pete), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Last Picture Show is a film of powerful beauty and feeling - I love it. Targets is a very good 'mad gunman' film. I thought he started with huge promise, and went downhill extraorinarily quickly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh i've never seen targets Martin, thanks for reminding me.

the actual mr. jones (actual), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

People with perforated siblings need love too

dave q, Monday, 30 September 2002 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
OMG, Bogdanovich directed the new Pete Rose telemovie on ESPN. That's so sad.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i just found a dvd of targets i bought months ago and forgot about! about to watch, will report back...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Targets very recently...it is silly.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

What a great thread title! I have no idea what it means!

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i really don't like the ascots

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

TV movies don't necessarily mean the person is desparate. They might just think the story is interesting and aren't worried that it might make them look less classy or whatever. Granted, Bogdanovich directed To Sir With Love 2 for TV, but you never know. I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

look at frankenheimer, people!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

Nah, he'd been holding up that "will pose as a Welles expert for larges houses and scads of money" long before that, and to great effect. I hate this guy almost as much as I hate John Landis.

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

frankenheimer is dead! (although his dna lives on in michael bay.)

he actually is kind of an expert, and he speaks well, so it makes sense that he should appear on so many documentaries and commentary tracks. unfortunately there's usually an even more interesting expert that's been passed over for old pete.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

like who?

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

well yeah he was an expert before he was even a filmmaker! let's not forget he was one of the main americans participating in the early canonization of hawks etc.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

cats meow.
one of the more venal and elegant bashings of traditional hollywood morality, and proof (if you needed more after bring it on and spiderman) that kristen dunst is one of the better actresses coming out of the last few years, esp. irt the sticky intraceable tendrils of desire (shoot me for the last sentence please)

+ eddie izzard is in it and how can one not like eddie izzard, eddie izzard is a fucking genius.

anthony, Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I love kirsten dunst, eddie izzard, but I thought cats meow was paper thin and very dull.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

2nded, adam. It was boring, talky, and pointless.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
indefensible.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Dude did a really ace Hitchcock impression when he introduced North by Northwest for TCM. So he was a fanboy, big deal-- Blount OTM.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:40 (sixteen years ago) link

This is Orson Welles more than makes up for his mediocre films. He's not particularly exciting (and not a great critic) but I'm much happier having him as a bland go-to-"expert" on ye old Hollywood than some asshole Paulette or a hack culture critic.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Or fucking David Thomson!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:45 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, the orson welles book is fantastic, tho the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling "everything you believe is balls! BALLS!" at cybill shepherd over breakfast. i think last picture show is a little overrated, it looks beautiful but it's kind of boring to watch. but i love targets and the thing called love (a nearly perfect movie) so he's not all bad by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link

He's okay on the Sopranos.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:19 (sixteen years ago) link

DS was stabbed, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Targets was amazing and totally fun. I perhaps believe the rumor the Polly Platt was his better half and his career was downhill after they split.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Any love for Texasville? A friend maintains it's better than TLPS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link

the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling
Then I don't suppose it has him starting a fire with a lit cigar in his bathrobe pocket either.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

on tcm's "the essentials" he appears WITHOUT AN ASCOT

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I believe that you are right, amst. But then surely a clever cameraman has to cover for the missing ascot.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link

no way is texasville better than the last picture show! that's just someone have fun being contrary. it's underrated, though, in that it was branded one of the biggest-ever turkeys and it really isn't. it's just kind of a sad mess considering its pedigree.

Or fucking David Thomson!

argh! otm. my dislike for him continues to grow.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

him and friedkin are responsible for like 70% of any fun you get from reading e-z riders n ragin bullz

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link

PB comes off as a real dick in that book!

actually everyone does, come to think of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:26 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/

Blogdanovich!

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

Man will never give up his Ascots, will he.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:39 (eleven years ago) link

They shall pry them from his cold, dead dewlaps.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

The guru has started another blog.

redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

I'm seeing him introduce Citizen Kane in a couple of weeks--just for the thrill of hearing him namedrop "Orson" every other sentence.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

i wonder what orson welles' blog would've been called. Roseblog?

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

Enjoyed him on the Dick Cavett show circa 1971 surrounded by Robert Altman, Mel Brooks, and Frank Capra. And yes, he was wearing his snappy Cary Grant garden party leisure wear.

Josefa, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:00 (eleven years ago) link

I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the original 1972 Elaine May-Neil Simon comedy, THE HEARTBREAK KID (available on DVD), which goes beyond the darkly hilarious film itself, because at the time of its making and release I was living with one of the stars, Cybill Shepherd. This warm feeling only increased with the publication of Cybill’s memoirs (Cybill Disobedience), in which there are numerous revelations—-to me, too—-about her various doings during our nine-year relationship (and, of course, before and after).

This fuckin' guy.

a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:03 (eleven years ago) link

This kills me--Bogdanovich in a nutshell:

"As the Duke was walking me back to my car, he took a shortcut, leading me through the sizeable garage..."

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:44 (eleven years ago) link

I should say that I think The Last Picture Show is a fine film, although I have difficulty connecting it to Bogdanovich (other than as an assemblage of stuff borrowed from his favorite directors...think Stanley Kauffmann said the same thing way back when).

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

Casting him as a thinly veiled Hugh Hefner on Law and Order was kind of amazing.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 02:46 (eleven years ago) link

That episode made me laugh so much.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:45 (eleven years ago) link

it's weird seeing tokyo rosemary on ILX

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (eleven years ago) link

Nickelodeon leaves Prime today. Really amped-up slapstick. Only 30 minutes in and it feels like I've already seen 100 pratfalls.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:05 (one year ago) link

Amazing extended comedy fistfight sequence with Ryan O'Neal & Burt Reynolds.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:34 (one year ago) link

is it the color version? I've been trying to find a copy of the "special DVD" that supposedly came out in 2009 with both color and B&W versions

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:45 (one year ago) link

It's the color version. I remember seeing that DVD in stores at the time; I don't think many were pressed.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:59 (one year ago) link

I've only seen it in color, there's a B&W version? This film was not to my tastes in any event.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:05 (one year ago) link

Bogdanovich wanted to shoot it in b&w, but the suits said no. He ended up with the rights to the film and many years later digitally removed the color with both versions (same cut) bundled with The Last Picture Show in a 2-DVD set.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:30 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I was just reading about this.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 20:26 (one year ago) link

IMDB says the B&W version is 7 minutes longer.

I really enjoyed it. It's flawed but fun, kind of a claustrophobic caricature film. Oddly enough, it reminded me a lot of Heaven's Gate, in that the period detail is so loving and that so many scenes are filled to the brim with actors doing stuff (shades of Altman).

Prime also has The Fortune by Mike Nichols leaving today, so I think I'm gonna do a mid-'70s buddy film diasterpieces double feature.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 20:32 (one year ago) link

Bogdanovich and Kovacs actually lit the movie thinking they would strike some B&W prints, or get to it eventually, so it's more than an afterthought effect (according to him). Had no idea that DVD was bundled with Picture Show, no wonder I've had such a hard time finding a copy. I figure if I'm gonna see it, I should just wait until I find a reasonably priced copy of that DVD. As a massive fan of They All Laughed, I'm much more eager to see this because of John Ritter.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:22 (one year ago) link

wish i'd realized Nickelodeon was on there sooner! i'm sure i'll roll the dice on it somewhere down the line...

The Fortune is *dire* imo, with an enormous, painful gap between the talent involved and what's onscreen.

this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 11:31 (one year ago) link

This is gonna sound all Mr. Burns "I once saw Gentlemen Jim Corbett box an eskimo; back then if a fight didn't go 15 rounds we'd demand our nickel back" but I recall seeing Nickelodeon when it came out - the gimmick was that theaters charged 5 cents for admission.

henry s, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 13:24 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

RIP. L.A. Times obituary

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 6 January 2022 18:41 (eight months ago) link

Polly Platt very thoroughly sidelined by both that text, and even moreso by the NYT's much longer and superficially more comprehensive obit. Kind of stunning. Gee, wonder why the first few films were such huge successes and completely-realized statements, and things seemed to go somehow awry after Paper Moon....

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 January 2022 19:11 (eight months ago) link

Among the many amazing things you could notice in this picture, Orson Welles is smoking a cigar in a grocery store. https://t.co/7hPew8kL3h

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) January 6, 2022

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 January 2022 22:03 (eight months ago) link

Wild story of Bogdanovich fandom and the recovery of Squirrels To The Nuts, the original cut of PB's last narrative film, She's Funny That Way.

https://tremblesighwonder.com/2022/01/20/you-saved-one-of-my-best-pictures-my-adventures-with-peter-bogdanovichs-lost-last-picture-show/

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:01 (eight months ago) link

Wow. I was on the edge of my seat!

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:26 (eight months ago) link

Can They All Laughed currently be screened/streamed? Want to see if it still, um , holds up.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:13 (eight months ago) link

Such a great article, thank you!

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:23 (eight months ago) link

A bit OT, but has anyone read Karina's book?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:26 (eight months ago) link

Oof, just tried to JustWatch search They All Laughed, and it's not even in their database!

YouTube sez HI DERE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNYsas5qdl0

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:09 (eight months ago) link

^^Looks alright, audio a little tinny.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:18 (eight months ago) link

Thanks!

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:06 (eight months ago) link

Feel like the guy gets a somewhat deserved bum rap for being a pompous ass, but he definitely made a valuable contribution more than once.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:08 (eight months ago) link

He is the voice of the DJ on the country music station in this movie!

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:09 (eight months ago) link

Probably worth watching now if only for the Old Weird New York.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:11 (eight months ago) link

Probably took me a few viewings back when it came out to not get creped out by Ben Gazzara flirting with Patti Hansen, to name one thing.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:13 (eight months ago) link

XPS Iirc, he did same thing in TLPS. Dude liked his C&W.

He really comes off well in that Squirrels To The Nuts piece.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:13 (eight months ago) link

I'd honestly rather watch movies about They All Laughed than the picture itself

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 21 January 2022 01:14 (eight months ago) link

XPS, well remember that Patti Hansen eventually became Mrs. Keith Richards...

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:15 (eight months ago) link

Yes, I remember it well, and in that article, I think, no some interview on rogerebert.com, PB claims that what killed her incipient acting career.

Trying to figure out what school Gazzara’s kids are going to.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:17 (eight months ago) link

Come to think of it now I wish he had been the DJ on the one country station we had back then, which he mentions in that same interview.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:23 (eight months ago) link

xpost P.S. 40, on 20th Street!

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:27 (eight months ago) link

He meets them outside of Stuyvesant Town on 1st Ave... nice that the film respects the geography even though there's a cut in there and they could have used any school.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:28 (eight months ago) link

And yeah, wow, that article is some kinda wild story. What an absolute dream. (I'm being vague to avoid spoilers for those who haven't read.) Agreed that Bogdanovich comes off well as an older dude writing really sincere and enthusiastic emails. A good mode for him.

I was at the Quad screening of They All Laughed that comes up partway through the story! And I remember the kid asking that question, it was cute and well-handled by Bogdanovich. It was kind of welcome because the atmosphere was a little bit charged --- Bogdanovich got really choked up talking about the film, trying to express how special the cast was to him, and how so many of them were now gone. And then somebody tried to ask him for Dorothy Stratten anecdotes or something, which was very awkward. Anyway, I remember really liking the film, more than I expected - the Hepburn/Gazzara material got to me, and I remember Ritter just floating around on roller skates like Chaplin.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:42 (eight months ago) link

Thanks for that, Doctor Casino.

Here’s one of my favorite stories about him and Orson Welles

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 January 2022 18:50 (eight months ago) link

Somehow Targets had been completely off my radar until this year, and I was pretty amazed by it. Reading about the circumstances around it, it really makes a great case for setting arbitrary limits in the creative process - having to incorporate another movie's footage, with only a few days to film the star, works out wonderfully. It's probably the hackiest possible thing to call it prescient, but more than anything else, the shooter's last words as he's led away really stuck with me. And Karloff is so great, the movie's worth seeing just for his delivery of the "Appointment in Samarra" story.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 07:21 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

re: that wild narrative we were just discussing, MOMA has big news:

The series concludes with the world premiere of Squirrels to the Nuts, Bogdanovich’s long unseen original edit (he called it “the Lubitsch cut”) of the 2014 romantic comedy that was taken out of his hands, recut, substantially reshot, and retitled She’s Funny That Way for a brief release.
No date/time listed yet. Maybe just not announced, or maybe (my friend speculates) it's a members-only treat. But either way, looks like it's a thing that will now be out in the world, to some extent!

The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 February 2022 18:51 (seven months ago) link

(also stoked to maybe catch At Long Last Love and Saint Jack, which I couldn't get myself to when they played at MOMI soon after his passing)

The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 February 2022 18:58 (seven months ago) link


_The series concludes with the world premiere of Squirrels to the Nuts, Bogdanovich’s long unseen original edit (he called it “the Lubitsch cut”) of the 2014 romantic comedy that was taken out of his hands, recut, substantially reshot, and retitled She’s Funny That Way for a brief release._


Pretty great retitle if you’re taking a romantic comedy from someone and recutting it tbh.

circa1916, Saturday, 26 February 2022 19:39 (seven months ago) link

Now on the calendar with a seven-screening run from March 28 to April 5!

The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:15 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Link to discussion of his passing on the appropriate thread: Rolling Obituary Thread 2022

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 22:40 (five months ago) link

And oh yeah, friend who has had to watch the director's cut a few times told me it really wasn't that great as well.

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 22:41 (five months ago) link

Now friend is telling me I should watch Dorothy Stratten’s other film, Galaxina.

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 23:05 (five months ago) link

But Josefa hated it, so I’m torn.

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 23:07 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Reading Ron Brownstein's Rock Me on the Water (long subtitle...), about L.A. in 1974. Brownstein probably epitomizes everything people hate about CNN, and he's not a film guy, so I'm surprised to say the film part of the book is good.

"Bogdanovich calculated that from 1952 to 1971, he saw 'something like 6,000' movies."

20 years, 300 films a year, 6 a week...pretty impressive without even home video. There are people who post in the "last X movies" thread who see even more, I think. Not me.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 12:49 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

Watched The Last Picture Show and Klute, both from 1971, in the last couple of days. They are so different

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:32 (one week ago) link

I find Klute harder going these days. Pakula often reaches a point where he's half in love with the easeful shadows of his cinematographer.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:42 (one week ago) link

They were the second feature films by both directors. The Last Picture Show had a better story and better cinematography and Klute was more atmospheric, less straightforward

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:46 (one week ago) link

(The best film from 1971 though is still McCabe & Mrs. Miller)

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:59 (one week ago) link


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