Peter Bogdanovich, threshing machine

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God he really was useless, wasn't he? Arselicker to Ford, Hawks and Welles; OK, the last shot of The Last Picture Show is quite alienating if you like that sort of thing, but What's Up Doc, Paper Moon, At Long Last Love...not to mention coming on to Dorothy Stratten's younger sister right after DS got shot, being generally responsible for Cybill Shepherd - someone defend him if they can!

Emmanuel Goldstein, Monday, 30 September 2002 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the way tatum o'neill waddles down the stairs in paper moon

mark s (mark s), Monday, 30 September 2002 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the way samantha mathis does everything in 'the thing called love'

Jeff W, Monday, 30 September 2002 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

What's wrong with being kissass to Ford, Hawks, Welles?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

SOmeones been reading too much Easy Riders, Raging Bulls methinks.

What's Up Doc was the best screwball comedy of the seventies. (CLose run thing with Foul Play but...)

Pete (Pete), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Last Picture Show is a film of powerful beauty and feeling - I love it. Targets is a very good 'mad gunman' film. I thought he started with huge promise, and went downhill extraorinarily quickly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh i've never seen targets Martin, thanks for reminding me.

the actual mr. jones (actual), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

People with perforated siblings need love too

dave q, Monday, 30 September 2002 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
OMG, Bogdanovich directed the new Pete Rose telemovie on ESPN. That's so sad.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

i just found a dvd of targets i bought months ago and forgot about! about to watch, will report back...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw Targets very recently...it is silly.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

What a great thread title! I have no idea what it means!

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

i really don't like the ascots

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

TV movies don't necessarily mean the person is desparate. They might just think the story is interesting and aren't worried that it might make them look less classy or whatever. Granted, Bogdanovich directed To Sir With Love 2 for TV, but you never know. I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:20 (fifteen years ago) link

look at frankenheimer, people!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

Nah, he'd been holding up that "will pose as a Welles expert for larges houses and scads of money" long before that, and to great effect. I hate this guy almost as much as I hate John Landis.

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:31 (fifteen years ago) link

frankenheimer is dead! (although his dna lives on in michael bay.)

he actually is kind of an expert, and he speaks well, so it makes sense that he should appear on so many documentaries and commentary tracks. unfortunately there's usually an even more interesting expert that's been passed over for old pete.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:34 (fifteen years ago) link

like who?

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:41 (fifteen years ago) link

well yeah he was an expert before he was even a filmmaker! let's not forget he was one of the main americans participating in the early canonization of hawks etc.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

cats meow.
one of the more venal and elegant bashings of traditional hollywood morality, and proof (if you needed more after bring it on and spiderman) that kristen dunst is one of the better actresses coming out of the last few years, esp. irt the sticky intraceable tendrils of desire (shoot me for the last sentence please)

+ eddie izzard is in it and how can one not like eddie izzard, eddie izzard is a fucking genius.

anthony, Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I love kirsten dunst, eddie izzard, but I thought cats meow was paper thin and very dull.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link

2nded, adam. It was boring, talky, and pointless.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
indefensible.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude did a really ace Hitchcock impression when he introduced North by Northwest for TCM. So he was a fanboy, big deal-- Blount OTM.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

This is Orson Welles more than makes up for his mediocre films. He's not particularly exciting (and not a great critic) but I'm much happier having him as a bland go-to-"expert" on ye old Hollywood than some asshole Paulette or a hack culture critic.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Or fucking David Thomson!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, the orson welles book is fantastic, tho the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling "everything you believe is balls! BALLS!" at cybill shepherd over breakfast. i think last picture show is a little overrated, it looks beautiful but it's kind of boring to watch. but i love targets and the thing called love (a nearly perfect movie) so he's not all bad by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link

He's okay on the Sopranos.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

DS was stabbed, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Targets was amazing and totally fun. I perhaps believe the rumor the Polly Platt was his better half and his career was downhill after they split.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Any love for Texasville? A friend maintains it's better than TLPS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling
Then I don't suppose it has him starting a fire with a lit cigar in his bathrobe pocket either.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

on tcm's "the essentials" he appears WITHOUT AN ASCOT

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I believe that you are right, amst. But then surely a clever cameraman has to cover for the missing ascot.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

no way is texasville better than the last picture show! that's just someone have fun being contrary. it's underrated, though, in that it was branded one of the biggest-ever turkeys and it really isn't. it's just kind of a sad mess considering its pedigree.

Or fucking David Thomson!

argh! otm. my dislike for him continues to grow.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

him and friedkin are responsible for like 70% of any fun you get from reading e-z riders n ragin bullz

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

PB comes off as a real dick in that book!

actually everyone does, come to think of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/

Blogdanovich!

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:31 (nine years ago) link

Man will never give up his Ascots, will he.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:39 (nine years ago) link

They shall pry them from his cold, dead dewlaps.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:49 (nine years ago) link

The guru has started another blog.

redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:19 (nine years ago) link

I'm seeing him introduce Citizen Kane in a couple of weeks--just for the thrill of hearing him namedrop "Orson" every other sentence.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:46 (nine years ago) link

i wonder what orson welles' blog would've been called. Roseblog?

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:50 (nine years ago) link

Enjoyed him on the Dick Cavett show circa 1971 surrounded by Robert Altman, Mel Brooks, and Frank Capra. And yes, he was wearing his snappy Cary Grant garden party leisure wear.

Josefa, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:00 (nine years ago) link

I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the original 1972 Elaine May-Neil Simon comedy, THE HEARTBREAK KID (available on DVD), which goes beyond the darkly hilarious film itself, because at the time of its making and release I was living with one of the stars, Cybill Shepherd. This warm feeling only increased with the publication of Cybill’s memoirs (Cybill Disobedience), in which there are numerous revelations—-to me, too—-about her various doings during our nine-year relationship (and, of course, before and after).

This fuckin' guy.

a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:03 (nine years ago) link

This kills me--Bogdanovich in a nutshell:

"As the Duke was walking me back to my car, he took a shortcut, leading me through the sizeable garage..."

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:44 (nine years ago) link

I should say that I think The Last Picture Show is a fine film, although I have difficulty connecting it to Bogdanovich (other than as an assemblage of stuff borrowed from his favorite directors...think Stanley Kauffmann said the same thing way back when).

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:49 (nine years ago) link

Casting him as a thinly veiled Hugh Hefner on Law and Order was kind of amazing.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 02:46 (nine years ago) link

That episode made me laugh so much.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:45 (nine years ago) link

it's weird seeing tokyo rosemary on ILX

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (nine years ago) link

yeah the film is better in the back half. p enjoyable imo.

Οὖτις, Monday, 28 January 2019 21:02 (one year ago) link

Dr C, did you get the "love is never having to say you're sorry" joke at the end?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:09 (one year ago) link

not at the time, sadly - i had remembered it as being from some 40s-era thing. at some point i knew it was delivered to o'neal in LOVE STORY (which i haven't seen) but that fact was not available to my brain as it would have been to, i imagine, nearly everyone who saw this at the time. a cute gag.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:50 (one year ago) link

yes, in '72 it brought the house down

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:52 (one year ago) link

Love Laszlo Kovacs cinematography

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:06 (one year ago) link

Never in the history of art

Only a Factory URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:10 (one year ago) link

haha i was just watching the weird-ass trailer for this today

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:15 (one year ago) link

apparently the first script had the guy being the weirdo? that makes no sense given the screwball precedents.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:23 (one year ago) link

oh yeah, it actually started as... an Elliott Gould film.

Barbra's involvement with Doc happened because of her ex-husband, Elliott Gould. Bogdanovich recalled,“Elliott Gould was shooting a picture called A Glimpse of Tiger at Warners. He was having some problems, they had problems with Warner — they fired him and shut down the picture and decided to change the leading character from a man to a woman and cast Barbra in the part, his ex-wife, which is pretty weird." Bogdanovich and Streisand wanted to work together but could not decide on whether to make a drama or a comedy. Bogdanovich wanted to do a comedy and told a Warner Brothers executive he wanted the film to be "sort of like Bringing Up Baby, where the square professor, she's a crazy girl, maybe she could be a girl who knows a lot, been kicked out of a lot of colleges, so she knows a lot. You could steal that from Glimpse of Tiger. But other than that, there's nothing usable — I don't want to make that kind of movie. I want to do a flat-out screwball comedy like Bringing Up Baby."

http://barbra-archives.com/films/whats_up_doc_streisand.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:29 (one year ago) link

I have no idea what to to make of They All Laughed. For about forty minutes Ritter, Gazzara, Hepburn are chasing each other or being chased on the excellently photographed Manhattan streets, there's some kids, country music, Hepburn and Gazzara in a bookstore, John Ritter doing Peter Bogdanovich doing Ryan O'Neal doing Cary Grant, Dorothy Stratten awkwardly smiling in scenes. Some of Bogdanovich's dialogue is so far from glittering that I'm sad he thinks his script is Samuel Raphaelson material. It defines a mess, and I can understand why someone would hug it close based on what I've written.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:19 (eleven months ago) link

so shapeless and unmoored

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:25 (eleven months ago) link

wiki entry for this is bizarre. I've never seen it, not sure I want to.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:25 (eleven months ago) link

Stratten aside, the cast is game: Gazzara, Hepburn, especially John Ritter.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:37 (eleven months ago) link

The identity of Hepburn's son was killing me until I looked it up and realized it was Glenn Scarpelli of One Day at a Time, one of the more obnoxious child actors of my childhood.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:49 (eleven months ago) link

do you mean to say you never got a love on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuGBff9HJ1U

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:53 (eleven months ago) link

that's why everyone thought he was straight

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 January 2019 23:00 (eleven months ago) link

jesus Glenn Scarpelli

brownie, Thursday, 31 January 2019 23:33 (eleven months ago) link

TAL is a glorious & melancholy stoner movie. It’s on the same frequency as 70s Altman. I was really moved by it.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 February 2019 00:19 (eleven months ago) link

I read that as 70s Allmans

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 February 2019 00:52 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/peter-bogdanovich-in-conversation.html

You ended up living with Quentin Tarantino in the 2000s.
I was living in his guesthouse for about a year, maybe more. He was very nice. Very sweet. He invited me over and I said okay. I was having some problems. I didn’t have a house or something.

Did you watch a lot of movies with him? His taste is a bit out there.
Yes, he was a little odd. He wanted to look at a lot of movies, so I sat with him. He fell in love with a director named William Witney who made some Lone Ranger movies or something. Not my cup of tea, but I liked being with Quentin. He was fun. Loves They All Laughed. I sat next to him when he screened it in his projection room for a whole audience. He was quoting the lines before they would happen. Finally, I said, “Quentin, would you cut it out?” He knew every line in the picture. Wes Anderson and Noah Baumbach love it too. They call me “Pop,” and I allow it.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 March 2019 20:14 (ten months ago) link

So who was the most difficult actor you’ve ever worked with?
Cher.

Tell me about your experience with her on Mask.
Well, she didn’t trust anybody, particularly men. She doesn’t like men. That’s why she’s named Cher: She dropped her father’s name. Sarkisian, it is. She can’t act. She won Best Actress at Cannes because I shot her very well.

And she can’t sustain a scene. She couldn’t do what Tatum [O’Neal] did in Paper Moon. She’d start off in the right direction, but she’d go off wrong somehow, very quickly. So I shot a lot of close-ups of her because she’s very good in close-ups. Her eyes have the sadness of the world. You get to know her, you find out it’s self-pity, but still, it translates well in movies. I shot more close-ups of her than I think in any picture I ever made.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 March 2019 15:55 (ten months ago) link

She won Best Actress at Cannes because I shot her very well.

bogdanovich is so good that cher won best actress at the oscars because he shot her very well on an entirely different movie

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:10 (ten months ago) link

I was having some problems. I didn’t have a house or something.

circa1916, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:14 (ten months ago) link

relatable

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:15 (ten months ago) link

Well, she didn’t trust anybody, particularly men. She doesn’t like men. That’s why she’s named Cher

He may not do drugs, but Bogdo talks like he has a hole in his cerebellum.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:19 (ten months ago) link

I can't stop thinking about "He wanted to look at a lot of movies, so I sat with him." Such an odd way to describe watching movies with your friend.

One Eye Open, Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:54 (ten months ago) link

or yr landlord

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:58 (ten months ago) link

Bogdo talks like he has a hole in his cerebellum.

Too-tight ascot, methinks.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 March 2019 20:05 (ten months ago) link

was it on this thread or elsewhere that someone amusingly speculated that bogdanovich consistently wears ascots because he lost a bet long ago?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 20:13 (ten months ago) link

seven months pass...

almost looks like Burt Lancaster

flappy bird, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:20 (three months ago) link

posthumously?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:24 (three months ago) link

The strange world of a real Rain Man.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:24 (three months ago) link

xp yeah maybe a decade before Atlantic City

flappy bird, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:37 (three months ago) link

ABC's doing a two-hour true crime doc on Stratten tonight. Always blows my mind that she was only 20 when she was killed.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:46 (three months ago) link

Special kind of weirdo this guy was/is. Imagine most of his contemporaries had their eyes rolling out of their skulls around him.

circa1916, Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:31 (three months ago) link

Did you ever hear what Billy Wilder said about him?

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 October 2019 15:42 (three months ago) link

Wow, I didn't know he was a semi-regular guest host for Carson !

flappy bird, Sunday, 20 October 2019 22:36 (three months ago) link

Wilder:

''It isn't true that Hollywood is a bitter place, divided by hatred, greed and jealousy. All it takes to bring the community together is a flop by Peter Bogdanovich.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/07/movies/film-older-sadder-maybe-wiser.html

flappy bird, Sunday, 20 October 2019 22:37 (three months ago) link

That's not even the full quote.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 00:05 (three months ago) link

Wilder had more to say later:

I’d assumed you’d been showered with flowers.

Didn’t want to touch it. Murder. After she was killed, I didn’t go out much. Then one day, about six months after it happened, I went to a dentist appointment. As I’m leaving the dentist, who’s coming up the street but Billy Wilder. I said, “Hi, Billy.” He says, “Hi.” Without even a blink, he says, “You know that whole story about the girl that got murdered? The plot is not right. It should be how … ” and he starts telling me how to fix the plot of the story of Dorothy’s murder.

That might be the most fucked-up thing I’ve ever heard.

Yeah, I know. This is beyond German bad taste. It’s just unbelievable bad taste. I just nodded.

Apparently, after the premiere of At Long Last Love, which went very badly, Wilder said you could hear the Champagne corks popping all over town.On March 7, 1975, Vincent Canby reviewed At Long Last Love for the New York Times: “casting Cybil [sic] Shepherd in a musical comedy is like entering a horse in a cat show. She’s beautiful and lithe and has great lines, but she’s the wrong species … The bluntness and naiveté that made her so appealing and so right in Daisy Miller are simply abrasive here.” What was his deal?

He was jealous. I was young and successful. He was old and hadn’t made a picture and I hadn’t written about him or done any pieces praising him. He managed to fuck up two pictures I was going to do. One was Private Lives. The executives asked him what he thought of the idea. He said, “Bad idea.” That was the end of that. You know what he did when Tony Curtis’s son died of an overdose? He sent him a telegram saying, “Like father, like son.”

Do you like burying assholes? When you see your enemies’ obituaries, what do you think?

Well, I wasn’t unhappy when Billy died.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 21 October 2019 02:07 (three months ago) link

From the Vulture interview posted upthread.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 21 October 2019 02:08 (three months ago) link

Billy...

flappy bird, Monday, 21 October 2019 04:13 (three months ago) link

Don’t know if I mentioned it upthread but one time I saw him give a bookstore talk and for the first half hour or so he kept referring to “Mr. Welles” but towards the end it was just “Orson.”

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 12:38 (three months ago) link

Bogdo's cameo in IT:Chapter Two was one of the highlights of 2019 cinema. He may actually have been playing himself.

two months pass...

watched BR of What's Up Doc tonight...

"He tried to molest me."
"That's... unbelievable."

🤣🤣🤣

flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 05:24 (two weeks ago) link


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