The Counselor = Cormac McCarthy + Ridley Scott + (Fassbender + Pitt + Cruz + Bardem et al)

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Screenplay's excerpted in this week's New Yorker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Counselor

The End**^ (Eazy), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:18 (nine years ago) link

Im in

bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:21 (nine years ago) link

hope it's as great as Scott's last movie!

Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:22 (nine years ago) link

Lindelhof, mccarthy, hmmm

bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:24 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i know, plus this one has Bardem and Leguizamo, i am interested even tho Ridley Scott has been pretty shit since - if i'm generous - 1991

Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:30 (nine years ago) link

Wouldnt disagree tbh, least not without a filmography to hand

bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:34 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FX1bn1U-SY

lols lane (Eazy), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:20 (nine years ago) link

the script excerpt that was published in the New Yorker was the most mind-bendingly boring thing i've ever tried to read. looking forward to the movie though!

precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:40 (nine years ago) link

(seriously...No Country For Old Man is a great book and a great movie, but I'm sure the script was a similarly dull description of men doing things with tools)

precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:41 (nine years ago) link

He writes like a guy who thinks through the logic of how specific guns/tools/etc. work and would go nuts watching a scene where the director chose the incorrect guns/tools/etc., so that's the stuff he makes specific and ironclad.

lols lane (Eazy), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:44 (nine years ago) link

Gah, who spells "counsellor" with two L's? It's going to irritate me every time I see it.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:48 (nine years ago) link

i think thats just the international title

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 21:57 (nine years ago) link

dean norris and rosie perez are in this!

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 21:58 (nine years ago) link

Remember a time when Ridley Scott's name wouldn't have been the weak link here?

The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 21:59 (nine years ago) link

was just gonna say it's kind of sad that they have to bill Ridley Scott as "Academy Award Nominee"

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:03 (nine years ago) link

what about Cruz as "Academy Award Winner?"

The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:04 (nine years ago) link

I mean tbh that's kind of a sad billing for anyone unless it's the only reason anyone has ever heard of you (nominee)

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:04 (nine years ago) link

At least with Cruz it could be seen as "You may recognize her as that really hot woman, but she's also a serious actress" which is sad too but at least she actually won one

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:05 (nine years ago) link

I wonder how many famous "serious" actors and directors have never even been nominated for an oscar

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:06 (nine years ago) link

good question. depends on what you mean by famous. indie people like todd haynes, jim jarmusch, richard linklater have never been nominated. neither have genre-based folks like john carpenter and walter hill and sam raimi--but they may not be "serious" enough. christopher nolan has never been nominated. nor has cameron crowe. going back a ways, blake edwards was never nominated (how the f*** did that happen?). ditto john frankenheimer. ditto jerry schatzberg. raoul walsh was never nominated, nor nicholas ray, nor (needless to say) douglas sirk. but these guys weren't known to the general public ATT.

hitchcock famously never won one, but he was nominated a bunch of times.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 23:04 (nine years ago) link

stanley donen was never nominated. neither was ophuls. or de sica (even though a few of his films were huge art-house hits). paul schrader hasn't been nominated.....

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 23:05 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4rTztvVx8E

only dogg forgives (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:53 (nine years ago) link

I'm in

since Blood Meridian is stuck in some kind of development hell (Scott had it for a while then James Franco had it and now idk), this will have to suffice

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:58 (nine years ago) link

looks like his tribute to Tony

Number None, Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:03 (nine years ago) link

looks sweet

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:20 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

really want to see this

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2013 05:13 (eight years ago) link

"He doesn't give any answers about his work," Mr. Franco said in an interview. When Mr. Franco called Mr. McCarthy and asked why he had written a book about such a repellent character, he was glib. "He said, verbatim, 'I don't know, James, probably some dumb-ass reason,'" Mr. Franco recalled

Number None, Saturday, 12 October 2013 11:41 (eight years ago) link

looks like his tribute to Tony

His brother died in mid-production.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 15:44 (eight years ago) link

"He said, verbatim, 'I don't know, James, probably some dumb-ass reason,'" Mr. Franco recalled

<3

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 20:13 (eight years ago) link

this looks bad tbh

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 23:01 (eight years ago) link

Blood Meridien is an amazing book but I have largely soured on McCarthy's dourly nihilistic moralizing

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 23:33 (eight years ago) link

STOKED

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 02:40 (eight years ago) link

but I have largely soured on McCarthy's dourly nihilistic moralizing

u faced the abyss and u blinked, quitter

unblog your plug (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 08:56 (eight years ago) link

D'oh!

a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:22 (eight years ago) link

Local film critics on my FB wall were horrified.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:29 (eight years ago) link

movie set in el paso = sold.

caek, Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:43 (eight years ago) link

Wasn't terrible, nor particularly good. It depends how you react to the way Cameron Diaz takes over the movie...

Cormac McCarthy sure writes some unfortunate sex talk tho. And I looked at a few pages of the published screenplay, it's longer and more embarrassing there.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:45 (eight years ago) link

Pitt doing cocksure lowlifes p well these days. Also Bardem looks like John Cassavetes in a fright wig.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:46 (eight years ago) link

I thought No Country For Old Men was weak and obvious, lacking fire

you can put this guy in the fire

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:47 (eight years ago) link

i don't think he quite "gets" mccarthy (though maybe this film is terrible). and the novel NCFOM is a tight, excellent thriller w/some interesting themes made into a greater movie.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:50 (eight years ago) link

McC gets "gotten" a little too clearly in this film; Cruz:Diaz is very madonna:whore.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:55 (eight years ago) link

(although a madonna who enjoys cunnilingus)

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:56 (eight years ago) link

Analogy in my head is how De Palma did great with a Mamet screenplay (The Untouchables) vs. Mamet directing his own material. In this case, it's McCarthy putting his material front and center vs. handing it off to the Coens.

No Country for Old Domino, All The Pretty U-Turn?

Lover (Eazy), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:57 (eight years ago) link

There are some crisp lines, and Rosie Perez has a real good scene, but this material isn't anywhere near NCfOM level.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:02 (eight years ago) link

Bilge has it just about right (dammit, i shoulda come up with Brian Grazer, if Hollywood freaks were ever much in my head):

http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/movie-review-the-counselor.html

so yeah, ppl expecting a Tony Scottish movie will be kicked to the curb by this one. GOOD.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:06 (eight years ago) link

i don't think he quite "gets" mccarthy (though maybe this film is terrible). and the novel NCFOM is a tight, excellent thriller w/some interesting themes made into a greater movie.

Pah. I haven't seen The Counselor, but I'll take any opportunity to try to puncture NCFOM's balloon. The novel is neither tight nor excellent, it's hamhanded and uncommitted to its genre. (The Road is much better as a genre piece, because it does commit.) The Coens' movie has most of the same problems as the book, imo. But it takes less time to watch than read, so an improvement on that count at least.

I love McCarthy when he's good, recoil from him when he's overblown, and the problem is that he's usually both within the space a few pages or paragraphs. That said, Blood Meridian is an amazing piece of sustained writing. Barely a false note in it.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:28 (eight years ago) link

(Also, No Country is the one where McCarthy's assorted prejudices are most naked and unredeemable.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:29 (eight years ago) link

The novel is neither tight nor excellent, it's hamhanded and uncommitted to its genre.

seemed like average Stuart Woods airport potboiler

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:30 (eight years ago) link

A solid B. but yeah: almost more fun to think about than watch.

Reviewing tonight, will post when it runs.

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 October 2013 21:04 (eight years ago) link

the cheetahs look cool, might see it just for the cheetahs

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 02:10 (eight years ago) link

On my way to a 9:50 show.

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 02:20 (eight years ago) link

Loved it, basically.

"Redemption" is the most overused word and concept in Hollywood today, and here's a story with no opportunity for it. Plus, the movie is all consequences to decisions that we barely see--we're just seeing the aftermath.

Would be very interested in hearing how the movie goes over in the Southwest and in Mexico.

Also found the most moving scene (vague here, not spoiling) was a moment late in the movie when he's most alone and most in danger and discovers that he's actually not alone and has something in common with a huge chunk of society, at least south of the border.

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 05:38 (eight years ago) link

"Don't even think i'm making this up. You can't make this up," Bardem's character says about the car-fucking, but the same thing holds true time and time again in the stories in the 'drugs, murder, and mexico' thread.

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 06:01 (eight years ago) link

This review basically spoils everything but makes the case for it being better than 12 Years A Slave as stories of unstoppable cruelty.

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:46 (eight years ago) link

oh hey I just figured out what was on that DVD

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:48 (eight years ago) link

lol

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:57 (eight years ago) link

what'd you think he was crying about? Bunheads being cancelled?

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:57 (eight years ago) link

some telenovela called HOLA!

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:59 (eight years ago) link

coulda just been some movie they watched together y'know

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:59 (eight years ago) link

besides "oh hey this must be what brad Pitt told me about bcz sledgehammer foreshadowing #2"

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 15:00 (eight years ago) link

The Counselor vs Clair Denis' Bastards

http://www.fandor.com/blog/the-film-in-the-shadows-ridley-scott-vs-claire-denis

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:59 (eight years ago) link

http://www.film.com/movies/the-cult-of-the-counselor

Is the film worth it? “The Counselor” is a didactic movie about how a) women are predatory whores (Cameron Diaz is tattooed with cheetah spots to drive the point home) b) a man defines his character by being appropriately stoic about death. It’s an idiotic exercise in some respects, but a rare opportunity to watch talented performers (Diaz aside) figure out the rhythms of non-naturalistic dialogue that’s quite fascinating when you ignore its offensiveness; it’s not quite “Cosmopolis” or Harold Pinter, but the exercise is in the same ballpark. Novelty filmmaking perhaps — another 20 movies like this simply wouldn’t do — but the multiplex is better for it, and it’s proof our internet Red Alert mechanisms are working faster than ever.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 November 2013 14:20 (eight years ago) link

"Women are predatory whores" vs. "Cameron Diaz's character is an aggressive predator."

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Thursday, 7 November 2013 14:44 (eight years ago) link

I think it's essentially being pulled from theaters after today btw.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 November 2013 14:55 (eight years ago) link

Oh man this movie

Definitely "worth seeing"

I liked it,kinda

goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:12 (eight years ago) link

pretty much my feelings.

i look forward to seeing it again actually. something tells me it'll play well on cable.

it really reminded me of Cosmopolis--particularly in that it seemed to revolve around a series of rather abstract conversations. intriguing.

ryan, Monday, 11 November 2013 01:16 (eight years ago) link

Ha that was almost a haiku

goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:26 (eight years ago) link

Self xpost

goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:26 (eight years ago) link

But yeah, ryan otm

goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:28 (eight years ago) link

Also, it doesn't become clear for a while that half the movie at least must be conversations between The Counselor and a character who only appears in a single scene.

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Monday, 11 November 2013 04:59 (eight years ago) link

really want that ruben blades coffee service

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2013 06:36 (eight years ago) link

lol there's three names I never expected to see together

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:39 (eight years ago) link

what sux about the movie is mostly in the script

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:17 (eight years ago) link

Wasn't that bad, did have some interesting bits, but seemed to overstretch the amount of subplots and be self-consciously amoral which is probably totally oxymoronic.

Saw it in a cinema with one other person in the audience which is a bit weird. Guess word of mouth is out about the film. I enjoyed some of it quite a bit.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:08 (eight years ago) link

imo the best things about it are the peculiar digressions and the particular flavor of mccarthy's dialogue and ideas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7PvtbkH0I (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 20:49 (eight years ago) link

And that one sunflower Versace shirt Bardem wears.

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 21:00 (eight years ago) link

I've been saying "I've seen it all; it's all shit" pretty regularly since I saw it. I love pithy nihilism tho.

ryan, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 21:19 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

I haven't finished watching it but ws penelope cruz + fassbender in that opening scene daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 December 2013 01:55 (eight years ago) link

extended disc cut in Feb, 21 mins longer

no thx really

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 22:00 (eight years ago) link

I think the early conversation with the Amsterdam jeweler about love and death and fate and god is much longer.

tbd (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 22:30 (eight years ago) link

longest Bruno Ganz monologue since Hitler rant

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:11 (eight years ago) link

unironically cant wait

Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:12 (eight years ago) link

psyched

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:16 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I'll be checking out the longer cut. Hopefully there's not more of *that* scene.

ryan, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:48 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

this was terrible imo. everyone in it is miscast, save maybe penelope cruz. the dialogue is the major problem, a brisk no thank you sir to the extended cut

johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 April 2014 18:38 (eight years ago) link

More like michael miscastbender and javier boredom and brad shit in this one, thanks for nothing boremac mcsharty

christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 5 April 2014 19:26 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

so who has watched the expanded version, and...?

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:32 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Eszterhas scripts are better.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 30 August 2014 02:30 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

Four-hour commentary track.

with HD lyrics (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 03:25 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

HBO Max has the extended version (20 minutes longer), though you have to search under extras to the page to find it. Much better than the original cut.

Reminds me structurally of Gomorrah as far as a collage of how many people have jobs to make a smuggling operation happen.

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 5 August 2022 04:24 (one week ago) link

Yes, that was the most canny thing about the movie: the way that the scenes of abstract philosophical speech were interspersed with scenes of people going about the operation with minimal or functional dialogue, a really striking contrast.
One of my least favourite things in this is the trope of the powerful evil guy who says, "I know you don't want me to do this evil thing, but fate makes it inevitable". There's a lot of interesting stuff in this movie, but I'm not convinced its moral compass is any more evolved than Mötley Crüe's "Dr. Feelgood".

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 5 August 2022 17:53 (one week ago) link

I love this movie. I own the director's cut Blu-Ray. I don't need an evolved moral compass from a movie whose entire message is "fuck around and find out."

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 August 2022 20:41 (one week ago) link

I should rewatch this.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 5 August 2022 20:42 (one week ago) link


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