you're off
― ogmor, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link
I mean, I don't exactly agree that "Fight Club is my favourite movie" = "I idolize Tyler Durden" but eh, it's not really any worse than most litmus tests that people use when it comes to dating (which I assume is the context for this?).
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link
Have you seen Fight Club recently? I remember loving it in college and finally rewatched it last year after reading all about the russian/alt-right infatuation with it. It's pretty hilarious to rewatch.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
Not recently tbf
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
I remember on 9/11/01 a friend emailed me, "No one's going to watch Fight Club ever again."
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
They need to add On the Road to that list above.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
my favorite movie is Super Troopers...I've always seen myself as sort of a Farva
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
I'd add every work with a hyper-competent Sherlock Holmes knock-off who is so much smarter than all the dum dums around them
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
i only like works of fiction about kind, attentive protagonists who take care of all the ppl around them and when sing birds gather round to harmonize
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
in a sense they are. but really any adult who identifies strongly with almost any fictional character is off
― President Keyes, Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:41 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm interested in this idea - are there any cases where a person saying "I strongly identify with protagonist x" would cause ppl here to think well of that person? who would the protagonist be?
(I understand that part of the argument is about whether you can love the work without identifying with the protagonist, or can identify with the protagonist without idolizing them/being blind to their faults - but are there good characters to idolize?)
― soref, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
Leo Bloom sort of
― you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
I don't think most people would say they identify with a protagonist or the maybe misinterpreted premise/theme of a work, it's implied. That hot damn comment in the original post above I was reading as a sarcastic DUH at first (although that's wrong). I've had this same conversation with other women over the last decade. Oh, your favorite show of all time is Mad Men because Don Draper is so smooth? yikes.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
a hyper-competent Sherlock Holmes knock-off who is so much smarter than all the dum dums around them
works of fiction about kind, attentive protagonists who take care of all the ppl around them and when sing birds gather round to harmonize
are there any cases where a person saying "I strongly identify with protagonist x" would cause ppl here to think well of that person? who would the protagonist be?
big ups to j christ + the gospels, historical fiction
he's smart and surrounded by a lot of dum dums, kind to the meek, and billions have been urged to strongly identify with the protag
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
Saying you "identify" with Jesus is definitely a bigger red flag, typically, than saying you identify with Tyler Durden!
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
i only like works of fiction about kind, attentive protagonists
Would be interested in encountering more modern literary or film protagonists who are indeed good/kind/heroic.
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
Or worth emulating in a realistic way (i.e. Jesus is a high bar).
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/vAlkRnX.jpg
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
I did like that movie!
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
i only read parts of the screenplay but it did look good
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
are there any cases where a person saying "I strongly identify with protagonist x" would cause ppl here to think well of that person?
Pretty much every young adult novel ever written is designed to encourage identification with the main characters and their plights, while teaching lessons about how to become a more competent and compassionate adult.
P.S. I wrote a book in which I am the protagonist. It is non-fiction - to the degree that any book containing humor can be considered non-fiction. Not coincidentally, I identify strongly with the protagonist and also think well of myself. Case closed.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
yeah lots of ppl identify with antiheroes
― The Rachel Supremacy (wins), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
I am the antihero of my own story
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
poor holden, fidgeting at the end of this lineup of murderous sociopaths.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
if a man says he really wants to be a drug kingpin, a godlike genius, a teenage spree killer, an imaginary embodiment of displaced masculine aggression, or to take care of people so that they can be happy without fear? RUN.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
The HOT DAMN NUTSHELL tweet has to be a pisstake of the screenshot right
― The Rachel Supremacy (wins), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
no it’s serious I’m pretty certain
I get the sentiment behind the quoted comment but I don’t think it takes an especially discerning person to see how silly/arbitrary/absurd it would be to literally think that way
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
she recommends elphabaforpresidentofgallifrey's twitter account and podcasts in the replies so I think the HOT DAMN was sincere
― soref, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
Yeah, as I mentioned above I read it as a sarcastic "no shit" at first and then realized it was sincere.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
But how do you interpret Kevin's posting of the maybe sarcastic tweet of the screenshot of internet comments about people who relate to pop culture antiheroes? There are many layers here, is what I'm saying.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
I am getting a little lost about what some people are saying. I am still going by the original sentiment of what it says about a man if he says these works are his "favorite" as opposed to explicitly stating that you identify with a character.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
I mean "omg your favourite book is a clockwork orange, it stands to reason you idolise the rapist protagonist" is a leap so silly it has to be sincere but if that "finally someone mansplained a position that was already beyond simplistic IM SCREAMING AND WEEPING SIMULTANEOUSLY" tweet isn't parody I'm shook tbh
― The Rachel Supremacy (wins), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
I have seen this shared with great seriousness and defended with real intensity in the wild ftr.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
There is also a big basic bitchness factor of favoriting these things, nevermind inferring immaturity, misogyny, anger etc about the guy from it.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 22:06 (six years ago) link
an imaginary embodiment of displaced masculine aggression, or to take care of people so that they can be happy without fear?
are these supposed to be two distinct options, with a clear line of demarcation?
― sciatica, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
presumably all the ppl who say the godfather is their favorite movie aspire to be a ruthless mafia kingpin with a tragic past
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link
macbeth, hamlet, othello, and lear are all arguably good things - but if a man says they are his favorite plays? RUN.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
That is basic bitch too but it doesn't attract the same type of fans as those other works do. I just checked zero hedge and I am embarrassed they are still using the name Tyler Durden.
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
Also count me as one of the dupes who was uncomfortable with the premise of Fight Club when it was new and felt it aged very poorly in the post 9/11 world.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
The 3 leads and the Pixies saved that movie.
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
Again, I will say I loved that movie when it first came out and thought the book was fine. But when I rewatched it last year all I thought was "these stupid, fucked up boys."
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
Brad Pitt is hot, but whatever. Meatloaf is dece. I'm so sick of "Where Is My Mind" in film soundtracks.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
I think that was one of the first uses of that song in a movie. I know it's been used more but I just associate it with that movie now.
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link
i wonder if by "clockwork orange" the original post meant the movie, the book, or the book w/ the original ending, all of which are fairly different
i agree w/ difficult listening hour that catcher is painfully out of place in the list
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
Ugh holden caulfield is a prime blueprint alt-right wannabe fuckboy. How many assassins is that book linked to? The book is fine, but for it to be a modern guy's favorite???
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
Seeing your reaction, I suggest you RUN from such a guy!
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:52 (six years ago) link
Ha, it's ok. I make do with giving a mild side eye everytime some guys says they love to read and then lists one of these books as their favorite. Of. All. Time.
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
Just knowing what's your favorite book Of. All. Time. is a good indication you haven't read all that many books.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:02 (six years ago) link
A lot of guys are this stupid, immature. RUN.
― Yerac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
who gives a shit what movies or music or books people like
― marcos, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
My all time favorite book is the Turner Diaries, but only because of the crystalline prose.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link