things white men should never say to disney brides
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 13 June 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/ok_so_what_would_convince_you_that_racism_is_real/
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 July 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
that is the worst thing i've read all week
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link
^
― drash, Thursday, 9 July 2015 21:26 (eight years ago) link
Really? I happily read it twice but that might be because I'm considering how firm to be w my boyfriend about his racist, misogynistic, homophobic cracks and how he always wants to "discuss" these things with me.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 9 July 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
i liked the part where the white girl was like "oh so because of privilege i'm not allowed to have an opinion on anything ever" because that's pretty much how every IRL conversation i've had with a white person aboot white privilege has gone down
― the late great, Thursday, 9 July 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
what's wrong with being a master p fan
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
The woman in the story didn't make any "racist, misogynistic, homophobic cracks."
― Treeship, Thursday, 9 July 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
internalized ideas about race and basing your life off those assumptions kind of harder to "debate" than outright racism though. which are already pretty fucking bad
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 9 July 2015 22:52 (eight years ago) link
read this piece instead: Rolling 2015 Thread on Race
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
^that's much better piece
― drash, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
"Eventually I felt good enough about where we’d gotten, the progress we’d made, to go upstairs and sleep with her."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link
That piece is much better if you skip the whole first half imo
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 July 2015 00:29 (eight years ago) link
You mean if you pretend the guy's not a self-aggrandizing, terminally head-up-own-ass piece of shit?
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 10 July 2015 01:04 (eight years ago) link
"It was a summer of fucking and civic unrest, and of thinking about 1981."
tbh wd have to read salon piece more carefully to really disentangle the things in it i disliked (& unable to put in effort right now)
it’s not the predicament in general he’s talking about, which is important topic, but rather his personal articulation of it
for one thing (admittedly from just cursory reading), his angst as written seems to revolve too much around his own carefully constructed/ protected/ threatened/ narcissistic self-image (including cinematic parallel & identification with obama, no less, re their ‘white woman’ relationship issues)rigorously distinguishing himself from what he calls ‘“real” white people’— unenlightened racist masses, flattened into crude undifferentiated stereotype, all of whom he keeps hermetically quarantined, away from his life & any dialogue (until his encounter with alien white girl, who somehow got past the "gatekeepers")
i mean there’s some self-deprecatory self-awareness in saying “somebody who didn’t get radical race shit, somebody who never would have made her way past the gatekeepers and into my little precious elitist smartypants cool white kid circles”— but he really means that, too
piece linked by djp & this one address v similar terrain, but by their conclusion, one seems to me an instance of necessary, difficult, painful, imperfect, yet productive/constructive dialogue; whereas the other seems to foreclose that possibility, to discount it as not worthwhile if imperfect (is too hasty & maybe eager to do so-- maybe safer/easier to keep gates closed)
― drash, Friday, 10 July 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:04 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're way more insufferable on here because you're all these things but wouldn't even dream of trying to cross a bridge.
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 10 July 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link
anyway it seems to me like the main reason a piece like that would draw ilx ire is because of narcissism of cool-white-dude differences.
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 10 July 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
^^^^
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 July 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
not the only reason but his downness is vmi evidence
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 July 2015 02:05 (eight years ago) link
drash otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
I got to the Master P diss, thought, "This guy is corny," scrolled down and saw that it was the "Go the Fuck to Sleep" guy, who came off as such a terminal d-bag on the Combat Jack show.
I wonder if he had sex with that woman? Seems like he should have mentioned it a few dozen times in the article if so.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link
it's ok to talk about the sex you have
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:10 (eight years ago) link
It's not ok to bully and belittle your girlfriend under the guise of "social justice education."
― Treeship, Friday, 10 July 2015 02:40 (eight years ago) link
"They both looked at me like I was that dude Paris and they were the goddesses laying claim to the golden apple that started the Trojan War."
Yeah, a mythic beauty contest, cool comparison.
― jmm, Friday, 10 July 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link
Even more than that shit nothing in the piece indicates he thought his gf might have something valuable to say on anything ever. She was just a "not quite there" well meaning white girl to him
― Treeship, Friday, 10 July 2015 02:51 (eight years ago) link
― Treeship, Friday, July 10, 2015 2:40 AM (21 minutes ago)
let alone write a shitty thinkpiece using her as an illustration of everything wrong with "white people" while slyly suggesting in basically every paragraph that none of those things apply to you, the enlightened superior man
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 03:05 (eight years ago) link
yes, treeship otm
― drash, Friday, 10 July 2015 03:09 (eight years ago) link
& j.d. too
― drash, Friday, 10 July 2015 03:27 (eight years ago) link
yes
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 07:18 (eight years ago) link
DJP's piece was rly rousing though, ty - ofc in the uk the racial issue is very slightly complicated by high proportion of indian subcontinent minorities & history of anti-indian anti-pakistani sentiment but despite a national aspiration towards racial blindness the principles probably aren't much different in practice and there is so much complacency in white or majority-white liberal circles - including my own complacency (assuming london's already-shaky standards of racial unity are mirrored throughout the country, for one), which is where ilx comes in
mordy otoh did a rather wonderful job there of finding the most odious social justice dude he could - to articulate what point, i simply cannot tell ;)
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 07:34 (eight years ago) link
totally banged that hot racist chick tho lol
― 2011’s flagrantly ceremonious rock-opera (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 July 2015 07:43 (eight years ago) link
She was just a "not quite there" well meaning white girl to him
got the vibe of Tom Cruise dressing down a girlfriend for arguing with a Clear
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Friday, 10 July 2015 11:32 (eight years ago) link
that thing white ppl do (in bed)
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Friday, 10 July 2015 11:34 (eight years ago) link
how did you know I pretend to be Tom Cruise?
― Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
Posted this profile in the New Yorker thread but realized it could go here. It's a quintessential mid-2010s story from hashtag/disruption protests to a Colbert appearance:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/05/something-borrowed-wilkinson
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:36 (eight years ago) link
cathy hong park's response was a useful corrective imo
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 1 October 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
Science again tells us what we know:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/study-white-people-react-to-evidence-of-white-privilege-by-claiming-greater-personal-hardships/
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
hmmph. i don't see an issue with survey respondents acknowledging privilege while pointing out that race is not the only axis. e.g. to imagine an extreme case: "poor, uneducated, white transman with disability acknowledges white privilege while claiming personal hardships" does not strike me as cause to rush to the barricades.
study design seems willfully obtuse wrt intersectionality but hey full disclosure i'm nominally white
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 October 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
wouldn't intersectionality be recognizing "hey, I'm poor so I have hardships, but poor black people (intersection!) have it harder"?
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 3 October 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
hey black people might have it hard but I have depression!
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 3 October 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
cool convo. deep
― help computer (sleepingbag), Saturday, 3 October 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link
Amazing that people get defensive if you suggest they have it easy. Science.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 3 October 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
it's about time we left defensive people alone, definitely
― bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 October 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, October 3, 2015
this would be one example, yes
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 October 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
no it's not
― j., Saturday, 3 October 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
haha j not beating around the bush
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 October 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link
2015
― deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Sunday, 4 October 2015 03:08 (eight years ago) link
and everybody's free
― bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 October 2015 07:01 (eight years ago) link
I thought this was (mostly) a nice essay, wasn't really sure where to put it:
http://therumpus.net/2015/11/la-boheme-portlandia/
There were a few groaners -- the black ladies playing poker as hamfisted counterpoint, the immediate jump to "gang violence" when talking about the black neighborhood, but a lot of good stuff in there too
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
im like so far out in front of the academy its not even funny http://tressiemc.com/2016/01/06/when-your-curriculum-has-been-tumblrized/
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 January 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link