On a vaguely related note, and because I can't really find a better thread to ask about this in, but has anybody read Andrew Potter's _The Authenticity Hoax_? Dude writes for the Ottowa Citizen, I think, and has plenty of good points, but the book goes way off the rails in the section on politics to the point where he starts sounds neo-con, quoting Frances Fukuyama, etc.
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
I haven't read that, but I have read Nation of Rebels, which he co-wrote, and it kinda felt like a Vice-ish riposte to The Baffler in book form. Some good points buried under accurate-but-facile accusations of lefty hypocrisy.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, there's sizeable amount of that in the later book, too, including a part where he straight mocks anti-Iraq war protestors
Book was published in 2010, and I'm wondering if the Tea Party's inception would have merited a mention.
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.earwolf.com/episode/white-privilege/
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:24 (ten years ago) link
Authenticity was mentioned upthread - can someone unpack?
― cardamon, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
I can comment on it bringing in what Andrew Potter mentioned, that often times the longing for and consumption of authenticity is status-seeking, and authenticity is inversely proportional to privilege. The folks on the street know how life _really_ is etc etc etc
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 8 May 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
There was like a half hour feature on CBC Radio this morning about "Check Your Privilege". One of the interviewees who did not find it problematic also mentioned how her tutorials at University were all "mansplained".
― everything, Thursday, 8 May 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
it's "check" as in "check yourself" which is ironic because
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 8 May 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/464499054635139072
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 8 May 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
http://www.earwolf.com/episode/white-privilege
This caller is really something.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 8 May 2014 21:53 (ten years ago) link
interview with the woman who coined the term is a must-read especially for anyone who (still) whinges about "check your privilege" being a thing
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2014/05/the-woman-who-coined-the-term-white-privilege.html
ESPECIALLY what she says about "niceness", goddamn that needs to be hammered home
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
But what I believe is that everybody has a combination of unearned advantage and unearned disadvantage in life. Whiteness is just one of the many variables that one can look at, starting with, for example, one’s place in the birth order, or your body type, or your athletic abilities, or your relationship to written and spoken words, or your parents’ places of origin, or your parents’ relationship to education and to English, or what is projected onto your religious or ethnic background. We’re all put ahead and behind by the circumstances of our birth. We all have a combination of both. And it changes minute by minute, depending on where we are, who we’re seeing, or what we’re required to do.At SEED, thinking about privilege is deeply personal group work. We do an exercise where everybody reads out loud from something they’ve written based on Jamaica Kincaid’s story called “Girl,” which ran in The New Yorker in the seventies. In “Girl,” Kincaid lists voices in her head from her early childhood, telling her how to be a girl. Everybody reads either their boy piece or their girl piece, and, listening, you get a systemic view of varieties of gender conditioning. One very sad thing—very major to me—is that almost all the men who are now over forty read “Boys don’t cry,” or something like, “Put the damn worm on the damn hook.” And that’s a lie—a huge social lie that makes men of that age have to act tougher than they feel. It’s a tragedy for the entire world, and it’s inflicted on boys; they’re not guilty of it. Usually the boy’s crying, or about to cry, when he’s told boys don’t. This is wreckage to the psyche.
At SEED, thinking about privilege is deeply personal group work. We do an exercise where everybody reads out loud from something they’ve written based on Jamaica Kincaid’s story called “Girl,” which ran in The New Yorker in the seventies. In “Girl,” Kincaid lists voices in her head from her early childhood, telling her how to be a girl. Everybody reads either their boy piece or their girl piece, and, listening, you get a systemic view of varieties of gender conditioning. One very sad thing—very major to me—is that almost all the men who are now over forty read “Boys don’t cry,” or something like, “Put the damn worm on the damn hook.” And that’s a lie—a huge social lie that makes men of that age have to act tougher than they feel. It’s a tragedy for the entire world, and it’s inflicted on boys; they’re not guilty of it. Usually the boy’s crying, or about to cry, when he’s told boys don’t. This is wreckage to the psyche.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
i think mcintosh would be horrified to see how ppl like lex have abused this concept as a stick to hit ppl w/ that he doesn't like or disagrees w/. what she's arguing for is a fundamentally compassionate position towards every human being and an examination of privilege that takes place on a personal, intimate level and includes a wide array of different advantages + disadvantages. i don't think she'd ever flippantly tell someone to check their privilege. "The key thing is to let people testify to their own experience."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/13/students_at_harvards_kennedy_school_will_now_be_required_to_check_their_privilege/
― j., Wednesday, 14 May 2014 00:38 (ten years ago) link
hope everyone dies
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
ur in luck
― smooth hymnal (m bison), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
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― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:32 (ten years ago) link
when orthodox jewish males visit the graveyard they are supposed to tuck their tzitzit fringes into their pants bc you don't want the dead to see them + get jealous that the living can do mitzvot and the dead cannot. it's just about being sensitive to your being alive privilege.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link
http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Mitch-Albom-great-death-Meetville-Quotes-53184.jpg
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link
he went to high school down the block from me
― Mordy, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
^ the nebby jewish version of name-dropping
is that different from regular name dropping
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link
http://andrea366.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/the-problem-with-privilege-by-andrea-smith/
― Mordy, Friday, 23 May 2014 02:28 (nine years ago) link
http://i61.tinypic.com/j6n9ed.png
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
But the killer wasn't an 100% white male, he was a half-Asian (Malaysian Chinese) male with a sense of internalized racial inferiority, I hate when people do this, it's as bad as when Vampire Weekend were getting accused of pushing the white colonial agenda (which they were, duh) because they were clueless WASP dudes, when actually they are Jewish and Persian, etc.
Like this killer was <i>aspiring</i> to be a Violent White Male Misogynist Asshole (what he'd probably call an "alpha male") as much as he actually was one.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link
This rings true: "his anger is about his failure to be able to access all the markers of white male heterosexual middle-class privilege". But she blurs it with "heterosexual white male entitlement to a world that grants all one’s wishes". Privilege is something you're born with and have whether or not you acknowledge it - every straight white man has three kinds of privilege. It's not negative per se. Entitlement is something more obnoxious and even dangerous. So I think entitlement, not privilege, is what she should have used here: "I’m also saying that white male privilege might be considered a mental health issue, because it allows these dudes to move through the world believing that their happiness, pleasure and well-being matters more than the death and suffering of others."
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
I think the distinction between "privilege" (what society grants you by default, which can change radically per individual depending on the current circumstances but has clear overarching trends) and "entitlement" (what you feel you deserve, which can be heavily but not exclusively influenced by privilege) is useful in so much that it takes the actively annoying component of people's rejection of the privilege concept away and casts it as an active behavior that people can more easily identify and understand. It's primarily useful because apparently people are morons who can't or refuse to understand how defaults work in a society and how being closer to "default" can limit your perspective.
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
The most glaring and obvious default privilege that one can cite is how the cops treat you. The default quality is easily isolated in that situation, so people can see it.
― put 'er right in the old breadbasket (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:53 (nine years ago) link
@RichardDawkins: Learned a useful new phrase this week: Social Justice Warrior. SJWs can't forgive Shakespeare for having the temerity to be white and male.
so mad @ shakespeare rn u guys
― lag∞n, Saturday, 28 June 2014 08:19 (nine years ago) link
the bard delusion
― Knob Dicks (wins), Saturday, 28 June 2014 08:21 (nine years ago) link
what's awesome with Dawkins is i'm not even sure if he was a reactionary cunt until kids started fucking with him on the internet
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 June 2014 08:26 (nine years ago) link
he just didnt know he was
― lag∞n, Saturday, 28 June 2014 09:10 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/51oR0Yq.png
― lag∞n, Saturday, 28 June 2014 09:15 (nine years ago) link
lolwut
― The Reverend, Saturday, 28 June 2014 10:44 (nine years ago) link
I mean Dawkins being a trashboi isn't news but what the fuck even is that last post
― The Reverend, Saturday, 28 June 2014 10:45 (nine years ago) link
someone should call china and make sure they don't do that
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 28 June 2014 12:31 (nine years ago) link
don't think dawkins actually said that
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Saturday, 28 June 2014 13:07 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/AGjqt8J.png
― lag∞n, Saturday, 28 June 2014 13:39 (nine years ago) link
lolz
― linesman hardon (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 June 2014 13:40 (nine years ago) link
i am deceased
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 28 June 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
picture is perfect there
― Knob Dicks (wins), Saturday, 28 June 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
he's like that Dr who guy idk which one
― linesman hardon (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 June 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link
hahaha
― The Reverend, Saturday, 28 June 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
ayo thats my boy sam
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 29 June 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/27/its_not_just_the_south_and_fox_news_liberals_have_a_white_privilege_problem_too/
Race is the house of many rooms, built by white people for “the world and all those who dwell therein” (Psalms 24:1).
i had no idea psalms was about white privilege.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
Clockwise, from top left: Joy Behar, Alec Baldwin, Stephen Colbert, Maureen Dowd, Jimmy Kimmel, Susan Sarandon, Ryan Seacrest, Bill Maher
since these people weren't mentioned in the article, do we just assume they all said something dumb recently?
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link
alec baldwin caught a tennis ball
― j., Wednesday, 27 August 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
social justice warriors as a meme
― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By-E6moCYAAo_6W.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 6 October 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link
poll
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Monday, 6 October 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link