Should Pope Francis sell the family jewels?

The new pope says he wants a poor church for poor people. Do you think he should sell the Vatican and all the other Catholic Church's assets and give all the proceeds to the poor? What do you think he has planned?

well it ain't that

put the vatican on ebay

tbh I'd rather they not sell whatever artistic heritage they are custodians of to Russian oligarchs or whoever?

he should sell all his cure cds

Cassettes

Then the poor ppl wouldnt be poor, at least not for a generation or so

alas I don't think there is a market for gem-laden tiaras outside Russian oligarchs

better to the poor than slowly siphoned off to the mafia

If you have to have an uberprivileged ruling class i spose prince charles isnt a bad template eh, befuddled and well meaning and sort of imbued with some sense of public service

Pope is going to live in a bed and breakfast with his friends rather than live in the papal apartment.

Its common enough in your first year away iirc

This is a good start: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10061700/Pope-Francis-urges-global-leaders-to-end-tyranny-of-money.html

(you cynical bastards)

((said the atheist))

Safe target. This will not do the banks or financial institutions the slightest harm. He gets credit for having his heart in the right place. Wake me up when he goes on the rampage against the rich.

At least he's not making homophobia his first order of business...

Better than a sick in the eye

Pope Francis, in the first extensive interview of his six-month-old papacy, said that the Roman Catholic church had grown “obsessed” with preaching about abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he has chosen not to speak of those issues despite recriminations from some critics.

In remarkably blunt language, Francis sought to set a new tone for the church, saying it should be a “home for all” and not a “small chapel” focused on doctrine, orthodoxy and a limited agenda of moral teachings.

“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit and editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely approved by the Vatican. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.

“We have to find a new balance,” the pope continued, “otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

this guy

best Pope ever

would love to hear some inner-circle aggravation directed at this guy

You ppl who perv out reading wingnut forums should have fun with this

yep, read that in the library and had to put my hood up so it wasn't obvious i was crying. every once in a while, something public like this gives me a reason to be proud to call myself a lapsed catholic rather than just an agnostic. live a long, long life, dude

i mean dude is a pope, he's going to do some aggravating things to be sure, but i'm going to remember this and want to give him the benefit of the doubt -- he gets it, it's clear. and come on, he likes dostoevsky and fellini and mozart.

All this plus he's a Marxist. Wonder how long before he gets poisoned.

the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel

available in the Vatican gift shop

Not to mention Caravaggio; seriously fallen person but helluva painter

i would've preferred it if he said that he liked Ingmar Bergman instead of Fellini, but hey he's of Italian ancestry and it's all good.

Wonder how long before he gets poisoned.

right from the start, he reminded me most of John Paul I.

Women still can't be priests, of course, bcz they don't look like Jesus.

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/20/best_pope_ever_still_pretty_awful/

Jesus probably didn't look like Jesus tbf

“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit and editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely approved by the Vatican. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.

first part of this quote could just as well be him deflecting the unpopular discussions. all of it could, tbh? i'm not seeing a clear positive message of change here, really.

nice post k3v

xp, maybe, but it does sound to me like he's telling priests to back off on the sex-control a bit. That 'imposed insistently' in particular suggests possible change in practice. I mean, yes I am suspicious of the RC church & am holding back from cheerleading Francis but… it's tempting.

'jeez already ease up dudez'

if he'd've come straight out and said "i'm bringing gay sexy back" he'd be dead by now tbf

yeah, I think this is what change would look like… some casual non-ex-cathedra stuff like this, then maybe some more serious pronouncements saying that eg if condoms can save lives, it becomes a moral decision for priests on the ground - ie give the liberal wing of the church a bit of room & some weight.

and then st peters will turn into a giant abortion clinic run by gays

all because we abandoned the latin mass

I welcome this new Catholic gay disco and wish it many pills

Can sum up this papacy so far in three words: FRANKIE SAY RELAX.

it's ok, he's an arsehole after all http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/pope-catholic-doctors-refuse-abortions

oh c'mon, that's not gonna change.

My Jesuit relative-by-marriage has been on every damn cable news show in the last 48 hours.

gotta love how me and morbs are over here being the catholic iatees, but morbs otm

I sorta think there is a God, and he is going to send most of the Catholic hierarchy to hell.

(he or she obv)

Can sum up this papacy so far in three words: FRANKIE SAY RELAX.

― hipster racist (King Boy Pato),

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/world/europe/pope-assails-bureaucracy-of-church-as-insular.html?from=homepage

Francis has made clear that he wants not simply to clean up scandals, but to rid the church of careerists, climbers and those who value clerics more than the laity. He said in the interview, “Clericalism should not have anything to do with Christianity.”

He said the Curia should be like a “quartermaster’s office” in the army because it was meant to manage “the services that serve the Holy See.” He said the problem is that the Curia has a “Vatican-centric” view that “neglects the world around us.”

“I do not share this view, and I’ll do everything I can to change it,” he said.

damn this pope is so baller

who was the last pope to get assassinated by malcontents from within

this guy is really really fascinating, can't wait to see what he does next.

who was the last pope to get assassinated by malcontents from within

― j., Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:06 PM (1 minute ago)

that guy in the godfather 3

^that was JP I, yeah

didn't see this til today.

Indeed, and not a Nazi too, which is always a bonus.

"it's quite a bit more than marginal."

yes agree

Speer was a marginally less bad Nazi, eh Jed?

my then-gf of six or so years cried all night when jpii popped em the relationship was doomed for many reasons at that point but it was another stark pointer tbh

than who? xp

People that are impressed by popes - whatever their fucking game is- make we really want to cry tbh!

"then cry all you want, I won't tell anybody"

I'm just being honest Jed, it genuinely depresses the fuck out of me, I'm not trying to be catholic edgelord here.

Cal, it's not something I'm invested in, hugely! It seems that Francis is a better man, by several orders of magnitude, than any other pope in living history and maybe ever.

but I'm absolutely open to being corrected.

I think John XXIII was also ok (for his time)

nick blinko is best pope

admittedly, a pretender

lol

Overdue for first Jewish pope imho

was listening to an amusing R4 report where some old Irish guy was at first complaining that after waiting for hours, Pope Franny's pope-mobile just whizzed past him in a few seconds and said he'd been told "he was going to be moving a bit slower than that". But then said "to see his smile made my day" and made it a completely worthwhile experience.

This 11 second video has made the pope's visit worthwhile. pic.twitter.com/BWzvb7SABr

— Craig James Connolly (@Craig5thFloor) August 26, 2018

Overdue for first Jewish pope imho

― faculty w1fe (silby)

what, peter doesn't count?

I agree with Jed.

I think this must be the best Pope ever.

The best video of 2019 arrived during the last minutes of 2019, maybe. #PopeFrancis #Pope #hand
pic.twitter.com/LWZ6z2fzfy

— Antonello Guerrera (@antoguerrera) January 1, 2020

bit of a papal tantrum sir? ooh not nice!

lucky she didnt get a rifle butt tbf

Slapped wrists all round.

The Pissy Pope

still I can see being annoyed by many of Jesus' followers

The Church is bringing out the heavy weaponry now; this miraculous plague crucifix is being brought to the Vatican https://t.co/E1ZXjajSC7

— Dr Francis Young (@DrFrancisYoung) March 26, 2020

human to miraculous-plague-crucifix ratio has been running too high for too long

start cranking these things out now imo

why aren't they manufacturing more of these things?

Pope needs to advise which patron saint is the one we should be banging down the door of - hopefully not Jude (hopeless causes). Is there a patron saint of disease or plague?

Oh, ok, St Roch is our man:

Invoked against: cholera, epidemics, knee problems, plague, skin diseases. Patron Saint of: bachelors, diseased cattle, dogs, falsely accused people, invalids, Istanbul, surgeons, tile-makers, gravediggers, second-hand dealers, pilgrims, apothecaries, Catholic Diocese of Kalookan

cheer up goth

When we are in a state of sin, we are like "human bats" who can move about only at night. We find it easier to live in darkness because the light reveals to us what we do not want to see. But then our eyes grow accustomed to darkness and we no longer recognize the light.

— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) April 22, 2020

tl;dr: Corona - sinful human bats did it, to the rhythm of the night.

What is it like to be a human bat

Well now

The pleasures of a well-cooked meal or loving sexual intercourse are "divine" Pope Francis says in a newly-published book of interviews.https://t.co/u6Mso7CrAZ

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) September 9, 2020

Seems good?

Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples https://t.co/Gv7KDM1fqP

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 21, 2020

The pope gave an interview to the filmmaker, Evgeny Afineevsky, saying that “homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family.”
“They’re children of God and have a right to a family,” the pope said. “Nobody should be thrown out, or be made miserable because of it.”

has rod dreher commented on this y/n

Rod Dreher already ditched catholicism for not being conservative enough and is now orthodox.

This does seem good, but notable that it's just something he's said off the cuff to a documentarian, and not something that he has said in a formal statement.

I also worry that the next pontiff will be more conservative than Bergoglio

I worry he'll be more conservative than Ratzinger.

there's a difference between homosexual acts and homosexual relationships which is always going to be unresolved in this context

This does seem good, but notable that it's just something he's said off the cuff to a documentarian, and not something that he has said in a formal statement.

https://catholicherald.co.uk/pope-francis-rants-against-delinquent-priests-who-withhold-absolution-2/

Priests should grant absolution in the confessional even when the penitent has no intention to repent, the Pope has said in a speech which has shocked seminarians.

The Holy Father put aside a written speech, describing it as “boring”, and delivered an off-the-cuff address to seminarians from Barcelona, Spain, in which he frequently used foul language.

...

According to reports, Francis also used his speech to rant against “f***ing careerists who f*** up the lives of others”.

The Pope also criticised “those who climb to show their a**”, the Italian media outlet Daily Compass reported.

hahahaha, WHAT?

the pope said "fuck" in his speech? 2023 is looking up

this is the day he finally became pope

Francis has had it up to here with these fuckers

Is this the Catholic Onion?

It sounds like it, right? I had to check. It looks like a conservative/traditional Catholic publication, which means that it's probably interested in making the Woke Pope look bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Herald

yep

But did he say the f word? As long as that still happened

God I wish I was Catholic right now

i am, for this week at least. the pope fucking made me catholic

Oops.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/europe/pope-francis-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

sorry ukraine but how is he going to heal the great schism if he can't win over the third rome?